Daughter from bus video removed from home

[momeNt]

You save all your vitriol for single mothers and women having control of their bodies; while saying nothing of the men who get women pregnant and try to insert themselves between a women and their doctor through legislation. Usually to garner votes from single issue voters.

I think he has a lot of anti-male stances.

He is in favor of child support, and wants to make sure that men are responsible for their children.

He is also in favor of alimony, men shouldn't be allowed to make women dependent on them for their livelihood, and then just cut that cord with a divorce.

I'd say he actually is relatively balanced in his views. It's just right now this thread is basically about women, so it may seem lopsided, but that isn't always the case with him.

 

[dphantom]

Taking the child away from the mother makes total sense. To the orphanage with her! We should jail the mother too! Who do I contact so that I can sue the bus driver and whoever posted the video for emotional damage? Justice will be done!!!!

Yes I agree taking the child away is appropriate. More than likely, foster care will be the appropriate placement.

Not sure on jail for the mother. I would imagine we would need to know if she endangered her child in any way.

I don't see how the bus driver can be liable though I suspect your entire post is sarcasm at its worst.

 

[Texashiker]

You save all your vitriol for single mothers and women having control of their bodies;

With authority comes responsibility. If you want to retain control over your body act in a responsible manner.

Smoke crack, expect to go to jail.

Have an abortion, expect to be called a murderer.

Members of a society are expected to act in a certain manner. The old saying is "when in Rome do as the romans do." When you act in a manner outside accepted social norms, expect to pay the price.

while saying nothing of the men who get women pregnant and try to insert themselves between a women and their doctor through legislation. Usually to garner votes from single issue voters.

Because the man is trying to take responsibility for his actions, that is somehow wrong?

Man knocked woman up, wants to become a father, wishes to be a part of the childs life, tries to stop woman from murdering his child, and that is somehow wrong?

What is wrong, is a woman killing a child to avoid responsibility.

The mother from the bus video posting comments on facebook noting how mad she was that:

1 - her behavior was not accepted by society.

2 - she is being held responsible for such behavior.

He is in favor of child support, and wants to make sure that men are responsible for their children.

He is also in favor of alimony, men shouldn't be allowed to make women dependent on them for their livelihood, and then just cut that cord with a divorce.

Damn straight.

I have been paying child support and providing health insurance for my kids for 14 years. My 17 year old daughter is supposed to be coming over this weekend so we can spend time together, as in going fishing and maybe planting some fruit trees.

Women need to get off the alimony high horse and provide for themselves.

 

[momeNt]

With authority comes responsibility. If you want to retain control over your body act in a responsible manner.

Smoke crack, expect to go to jail.

Have an abortion, expect to be called a murderer.

Members of a society are expected to act in a certain manner. The old saying is "when in Rome do as the romans do." When you act in a manner outside accepted social norms, expect to pay the price.




Because the man is trying to take responsibility for his actions, that is somehow wrong?

Man knocked woman up, wants to become a father, wishes to be a part of the childs life, tries to stop woman from murdering his child, and that is somehow wrong?

What is wrong, is a woman killing a child to avoid responsibility.

The mother from the bus video posting comments on facebook noting how mad she was that:

1 - her behavior was not accepted by society.

2 - she is being held responsible for such behavior.




Damn straight.

I have been paying child support and providing health insurance for my kids for 14 years. My 17 year old daughter is supposed to be coming over this weekend so we can spend time together, as in going fishing and maybe planting some fruit trees.

Women need to get off the alimony high horse and provide for themselves.

Society would first need to stop making women dependent so they can provide for themselves. If you tell your wife to stop working and focus on the house and the children. If you decide to leave her, or she leave you, you've conditioned her to be dependent on you. This is something that we've done as a society.

Societies of old used to condition what we consider children age 13-18 to be out on their own, work, get married, have children, but we have since conditioned these teens to be completely dependent. So parents now have that burden to provide for them. The same is true for women. Not all women, but some women. And it is changing, but the change can't really be prophylactic, the consequences would be too damaging to women and thus, society as a whole.

This is me with my society lovey-dovey cap on though. I don't personally believe any of this, but I at least understand the arguments that are made.

 

[alzan]

With authority comes responsibility. If you want to retain control over your body act in a responsible manner.

Smoke crack, expect to go to jail.

Have an abortion, expect to be called a murderer.

Members of a society are expected to act in a certain manner. The old saying is "when in Rome do as the romans do." When you act in a manner outside accepted social norms, expect to pay the price.




Because the man is trying to take responsibility for his actions, that is somehow wrong?

Man knocked woman up, wants to become a father, wishes to be a part of the childs life, tries to stop woman from murdering his child, and that is somehow wrong?

What is wrong, is a woman killing a child to avoid responsibility.

The mother from the bus video posting comments on facebook noting how mad she was that:

1 - her behavior was not accepted by society.

2 - she is being held responsible for such behavior.




Damn straight.

I have been paying child support and providing health insurance for my kids for 14 years. My 17 year old daughter is supposed to be coming over this weekend so we can spend time together, as in going fishing and maybe planting some fruit trees.

Women need to get off the alimony high horse and provide for themselves.

You mean women having a fetus, a potential human being, aborted. Or maybe you failed biology and don't understand that children are not killed in an abortion.

Abortion should be safe legal and rare.

Ranting and raving about one obviously emotionally disturbed woman who does not represent all mothers in this country or in others makes your post(s) idiotic.

Maybe if you stopped painting groups with a mile wide brush based on the actions of a portion of the group, forum members would take you seriously.

As far as alimony, in some cases it's warranted; though your comment shows you're still painting with a wide brush. The legal system has in the past few decades swung too far towards seeing only the mothers side in granting custody and support payments. In the last decade it has, in some jurisdictions begun to even out, but in many it still, wrongly, swings to the mother.

You would be wise to consider the majority of men who leave women pregnant with no real choice except abortion. Consider as well the lack of options available to women in small towns across the country (and world) where abortion services, morning after or plan B pills are not available because of religious idiots who also failed biology and the politicians who pander to them with restrictive legislation to garner their votes.

Many factors in our society cause the disparity that surrounds the issues of single mothers, reproductive rights and the legal system as it pertains to custody and child support. You would do well to educate yourself on those factors.

 

[Texashiker]

Society would first need to stop making women dependent so they can provide for themselves. If you tell your wife to stop working and focus on the house and the children. If you decide to leave her, or she leave you, you've conditioned her to be dependent on you. This is something that we've done as a society.

Your post is where the womens movement and what women really want conflict.

One example:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rk-suffer-feelings-boredom-worthlessness.html

Stay-at-home mothers are more likely to think their lives are worthwhile than women who go to work, a study of national happiness suggests.

They tend not to suffer from boredom, frustration or feelings of worthlessness, according to the research on Britain’s wellbeing.

Another example,

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/o...der-equality-stalled.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Brewer, 30, is among a surprising number of women with elite college degrees who are rejecting Facebook chief operating officer Sheryl* Sandberg’s advice to aggressively pursue careers even as they raise families — and choosing to spend more time with their children instead.

Is it fair to blame men, and society in general, when so many women decide to stay home with the kids?

 

[momeNt]

Your post is where the womens movement and what women really want conflict.

One example:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rk-suffer-feelings-boredom-worthlessness.html


Another example,

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/o...der-equality-stalled.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0



Is it fair to blame men, and society in general, when so many women decide to stay home with the kids?

Are women alone deciding that? I doubt it, and if you want to point to the few women who work for 2-3 years while married and before they have kids suddenly decide to stop working, kick up their feet and go "jackpot" well you can't punish every woman for the actions of a few manipulative cunts.

 

[Geosurface]

What the mother was doing is disgusting and she's a piece of shit.

But what ever happened to the society we used to have, where some great writer or something could talk about how their mother was a heroin addict and they basically had to raise themselves?

Or for that matter, the mother who talks about how "the day I really finally realized what I was doing to my daughter and to myself was when this lady on the bus saw me getting high and nearly passing out, and she absolutely ripped me a new one when we were getting off the bus, I think she must've stood there on the side of the street lecturing me about it for half an hour... I was telling her to mind her own business, but something got through to me about it and I never used the stuff again."

Now that lady just films you with her cell phone and posts it for the entire world to see and then the govt takes your child away.

Some of the most character building and interesting experiences human beings have had have come out of extremely awful, adverse situations. The nanny state will not rest until everyone has exactly the same opinions on everything, and exactly the same one size fits all identical experience from cradle to grave.

 

[Texashiker]

Some of the most character building and interesting experiences human beings have had have come out of extremely awful, adverse situations.

I think the actions of todays young adults revolve around a sense of entitlement.

This political correct society is telling people they are entitled to act anyway they want, and should be free of any repercussions or consequences.

Whether it is the young lady in the video who is mad because society did not tolerate her actions, or some cross dresser who thinks he is a woman and demands access to the womens restroom, people think they are free to act in any manner they want.

If a young man wishes to live in his mom and dads basement until he is 30 years old, he should be entitled to do so.

If a young woman wants to have unprotected sex and have an abortion every month, she should be entitled to do so.

We are no longer a society of morals, values and responsibilities. We have become a society of shut the hell up I am entitled to act anyway I want.

 

[ch33zw1z]

We don't even know the full story here.

oh, and posting in another TH troll thread. reported.

 

[Texashiker]

oh, and posting in another TH troll thread. reported.

Why do people like you try to ruin a good thread?

Did you even take time to read the thread or any of the post?

This is a good thread and you have to come in and try to crap all over it.