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Dating in a rape culture

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mikeymikec said:
I would guess that's the case because the risks associated with sex are not in any way similar to the risks similar to the risks associated with driving a car. For example, one could drive a car in such a way that causes say a coach full of people to plough into a bridge support on a motorway at 60mph, or a lorry to jack-knife in busy traffic and causing a multi-car pile-up.



And yet CNN didn't have any problems describing what they thought of the crime or the perpetrators in the video of this news article:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/05/asia/pakistan-teen-girl-killed/index.html

What about the poor perpetrators of this crime? What about their lives that have been ruined by this crime? Emotional adjectives are also used several times in this clip regarding the severity of the crimes committed, yet not once for the steubenville rape case report.
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I watched the video and read the article and I have no idea what your point is. The only people that were making moral judgements were the people interviewed. The reporters did not.

We dont live in a culture that accepts rape as okay. Most accept that rape is going to happen and that we should do something about it, but most understand that you will never get the rate to zero (zed). Just because there are people that rape does not make the culture one of rape. Just because a few choose to do the act does not make it supported in any way by the culture.

Accepting that something will happen does not mean you are supporting that it happens. I think that is the main difference here.
 
realibrad said:
Bullets are not a concept, but an object that is directed by a person. That is why we judge the person and not the bullet.

If you dont want to talk to me, then dont. Nobody is forcing you to engage with me. I am being respectful and trying to have an open and honest conversation, but if you dont want it then dont.
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Your rationalizations are getting so out of hand its become humorous. You have run past the line of any sort of respectful conversation and are well entrenched in troll territory at this point. You ignore the half of the posts most people are making now because you cant respond to those parts, and rationalize for the rest. I being well entertained at this point, keep it up.
 
There is no "rape culture". Nobody accepts it, nobody encourages it, nobody wants it to happen, and everybody wants to prosecute rapists if they are proven guilty. The vast majority of men are not rapists and the vast majority of women will not be raped. The "rape culture" is a way to make all men think they are rapists so they feel like shit about themselves.

There are probabilities of rape and women (and men) need to be aware of the probabilities, like that cartoon suggests. However, to suggest there is a culture, merely because probabilities, is ridiculous. It shames men for the actions of others.

Funny how you can be sexist against men by shaming every one of them into thinking they are rapists. Imagine what would happen if men said that there was a slut culture and made cartoons discussing the probabilities of getting a slut with STDs when you go out.
 
Rebel_L said:
Your rationalizations are getting so out of hand its become humorous. You have run past the line of any sort of respectful conversation and are well entrenched in troll territory at this point. You ignore the half of the posts most people are making now because you cant respond to those parts, and rationalize for the rest. I being well entertained at this point, keep it up.
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I am responding to multiple people at length fairly quickly. If you feel I have not addressed something them please point out out and I will respond.

You are only talking to me. I'm responding to you, Mike, Making, Zinn and others. I'm going to miss things.
 
LegendKiller said:
There is no "rape culture". Nobody accepts it, nobody encourages it, nobody wants it to happen, and everybody wants to prosecute rapists if they are proven guilty. The vast majority of men are not rapists and the vast majority of women will not be raped. The "rape culture" is a way to make all men think they are rapists so they feel like shit about themselves.
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Wanna' know another dark side to this madness? You falsely accuse ALL men of the crime of rape enough times, at least a few of them are going to just think, "Fine... if I'm being punished for the crime anyway, I might as well do it."

Creating the problem that didn't exist in the first place. (Between this and actively encouraging sharia, I swear these lunatics want to live in a rape culture just to make their perpetual-victimhood real!)
 
LegendKiller said:
There is no "rape culture". Nobody accepts it, nobody encourages it, nobody wants it to happen, and everybody wants to prosecute rapists if they are proven guilty. The vast majority of men are not rapists and the vast majority of women will not be raped. The "rape culture" is a way to make all men think they are rapists so they feel like shit about themselves.

There are probabilities of rape and women (and men) need to be aware of the probabilities, like that cartoon suggests. However, to suggest there is a culture, merely because probabilities, is ridiculous. It shames men for the actions of others.

Funny how you can be sexist against men by shaming every one of them into thinking they are rapists. Imagine what would happen if men said that there was a slut culture and made cartoons discussing the probabilities of getting a slut with STDs when you go out.
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The left and feminazis has been on an anti-man agenda for decades.

Rape culture is just one of the latest assault on men.
 
MajinCry said:
These guys are just crazy. Try and talk to 'em about this stuff, and you'll just become frustrated and stressed out. Bloody bleh if ya ask me.
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The 'non' feel the same way when talking to 'progressives' like yourselves. We make comments, quote facts/figures... you hurl insults for "wrongthink".

We make decisions based on data from trusted sources and real-world evidence. Your decisions are made for you by the collective, with no deviation allowed.

We generally consider good/evil on the basis of whether or not people are hurt by certain things/actions. Your basis of good/evil is based on adherence to the collective's doctrines, and the tender feelings of ONLY those within the collective.

This is why the 'progressives' call anything they don't like "hate speech".
 
MajinCry said:
These guys are just crazy. Try and talk to 'em about this stuff, and you'll just become frustrated and stressed out. Bloody bleh if ya ask me.
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Are you frustrated because you cant support your argument? Not sure why you would be stressed out unless you are too emotionally immature that you cant talk to people on a tech forum without losing control.

If you dont like the way someone is talking to you, dont talk to them back. This is not RL where its harder to get away. You can block someone, or just ignore them.
 
Blue_Max said:
The 'non' feel the same way when talking to 'progressives' like yourselves. We make comments, quote facts/figures... you hurl insults for "wrongthink".

We make decisions based on data from trusted sources and real-world evidence. Your decisions are made for you by the collective, with no deviation allowed.

We generally consider good/evil on the basis of whether or not people are hurt by certain things/actions. Your basis of good/evil is based on adherence to the collective's doctrines, and the tender feelings of ONLY those within the collective.

This is why the 'progressives' call anything they don't like "hate speech".
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As always your lack of self awareness is entertaining. Have a good day and make sure to wish your mother a Happy Mother's day! 🙂
 
MajinCry said:
These guys are just crazy. Try and talk to 'em about this stuff, and you'll just become frustrated and stressed out. Bloody bleh if ya ask me.
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What stuff? The fact that feminazis think the source of masculinity is the dick and sex? The fact that they resent the biology that makes them "take" sex ,be "violated", pregnancy, and places them in a position of being smaller and slower? The fact that they have to "give" their life for pregnancy? Some women are full of resentment over biology and the only way they see an ability to take power back is to pussify males. How you do that is to make them think they are terrible people, you make it so they don't dare approach a female, that that consent can be taken at any second, including in hindsight. You make them think that they, and all males, are rapists and that they need to educate their fellow rapists. So not only do you negate masculinity but you create pussified acolytes so they think that they are intellectually and morally superior enough to spread the word. They shout down dissent in the ranks with cries of misogyny and "men's rights activists" who are considered evil.

Great white knights who run around to do the damsels in distress bidding.

There is no rape culture, unless you are talking about feminazis raping the male brain into thinking we are all horrible people.

Whats sad is that you think it is more "crazy" to imagine that not all men are rapists and shouldn't be treated as such but you accept the opposite as perfectly normal.
 
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I just came across this which is kinda scary.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/s...he-school-expelled-him-anyway/article/2589065

So, the basics of the story is this.

Guy and girl are getting romantic. They are both naked and he starts to grind on her. It goes in, and she said no, not with out a condom. He puts one on and they have sex. One of the other people in her athletic training program asks her about a hicky and she tells her the story. The girl she told the story, files a complaint with the school that a girl was raped. So, the girl that had sex did not file the complaint, the girl she told the story to did.

When the girl found out that someone had reported the rape, she tried to explain she was not raped. She has said over and over she was not raped. The guy was kicked out of the school.
 
It would be interesting to find out the basis of the ruling against him. Title IX statute requires "preponderance of evidence", which stated more simply is "more likely than not". Hard to imagine even this standard could be met based on the available information.
 
realibrad said:
I just came across this which is kinda scary.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/s...he-school-expelled-him-anyway/article/2589065

So, the basics of the story is this.

Guy and girl are getting romantic. They are both naked and he starts to grind on her. It goes in, and she said no, not with out a condom. He puts one on and they have sex. One of the other people in her athletic training program asks her about a hicky and she tells her the story. The girl she told the story, files a complaint with the school that a girl was raped. So, the girl that had sex did not file the complaint, the girl she told the story to did.

When the girl found out that someone had reported the rape, she tried to explain she was not raped. She has said over and over she was not raped. The guy was kicked out of the school.
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oh dear...

third person accusations especially if its a woman are always true don't try to understand it you never will.
 
master_shake_ said:
third person accusations especially if its a woman are always true don't try to understand it you never will.
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Listen and believe, shitlords! Due process is of the patriarchy!
 
interchange said:
It would be interesting to find out the basis of the ruling against him. Title IX statute requires "preponderance of evidence", which stated more simply is "more likely than not". Hard to imagine even this standard could be met based on the available information.
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By a very narrow understanding of rape, it does fit the definition just not the spirit. If she did not want his penis in her then its rape. Most reasonable people would say that is different because she did want to have sex, and he did put on a condom after she asked, but the second he put it in that is rape and I think that was the basis.

This is the problem I said before. Rape exists on a continuum and is not either or. She wanted to have sex. She wanted him to put on a condom and he did after she asked. She never claimed to be raped, but others felt it was rape.
 
The doublethink is quite clear. These are the beliefs you are supposed to hold as a Modern, Progressive, Enlightened Person

Don't support feminism? You are a sexist misogynist who hates his own mother and wants to torture her to death.

Don't want to get married? Good, no woman would want to marry you anyway.

Two people get drunk and have sex. The man is guilty of rape. Two men had sex? Doesn't matter, men can't be raped.

We need more shelters for abused women. Men are victims of domestic violence too? So what?

We need more women in STEM subjects. They don't want to do it? It's the men's fault.

More women now graduate from college than men. This is a problem because it means those poor women now have no-one to marry. Who are they going to marry, plumbers?

Rape is a problem of consent. If only we could educate men about consent and get them to respect women, maybe they'd stop raping. This is because all men are violent animals who would rape their own mothers if they could. Thus the best thing we can do to end rape is not focusing more on prosecuting rapists but raising awareness.

Rape culture refers to pervasive attitudes and beliefs that make rape inevitable. No, beliefs that you are not responsible for your own safety are exempt from rape culture because we say so.

A woman who does not support feminism? You have internalized the patriarchy after years of abuse. I hope one day you can break free from your bars to join the Feminist Collective.
 
realibrad said:
By a very narrow understanding of rape, it does fit the definition just not the spirit. If she did not want his penis in her then its rape. Most reasonable people would say that is different because she did want to have sex, and he did put on a condom after she asked, but the second he put it in that is rape and I think that was the basis.

This is the problem I said before. Rape exists on a continuum and is not either or. She wanted to have sex. She wanted him to put on a condom and he did after she asked. She never claimed to be raped, but others felt it was rape.
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Of course. However, this is just another example of having to address via policy something complex via a binary decision.
 
interchange said:
Of course. However, this is just another example of having to address via policy something complex via a binary decision.
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Agreed. This is why when someone says "real rape" its a valid thing. Many like to pretend that rape is black and white, and very often its not. There are black and white cases of rape, however, and I think people are afraid to admit there are many times when its not clear because it would make it harder on those other cases. Nobody wants to see crime go unpunished and justice not served. In the pursuit of making things better, they ignore the complex realities such as what this case brought up. By saying she was not raped, it would make it harder to punish others.
 
realibrad said:
I just came across this which is kinda scary.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/s...he-school-expelled-him-anyway/article/2589065

So, the basics of the story is this.

Guy and girl are getting romantic. They are both naked and he starts to grind on her. It goes in, and she said no, not with out a condom. He puts one on and they have sex. One of the other people in her athletic training program asks her about a hicky and she tells her the story. The girl she told the story, files a complaint with the school that a girl was raped. So, the girl that had sex did not file the complaint, the girl she told the story to did.

When the girl found out that someone had reported the rape, she tried to explain she was not raped. She has said over and over she was not raped. The guy was kicked out of the school.
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yeah that one is nasty. how do you win? when even the women who was "raped" is saying it wasn't rape and they are wrong.

Problem is schools were threatened with funding issues if something wasn't done about the number of "rapes" on campus. So now they have to show they are hard on them. So these mock courts appeared where they are nothing more then a joke.

but schools are getting sued and losing big.
 
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