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darXoul and other NEC 2690WUXi(2) owners.

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ClickCardo

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darXoul & anybody else who actually uses one of these two models.

I'm researching a NEC 2690WUXi2-BK-SV which is the more recent version of your monitor with colorimeter and SpectraViewII software. As everybody who owns one knows it is a wide gamut monitor. In fact the new model covers 4% more of aRGB. My main apps for it are all color managed, e.g. CS4, LR2, FF 3, idImager, but I also want to see QuickTime video and DVD/Blu-Ray discs on it. How does it handle the latter and does it need to use the sRGB preset to do so? Also, any color comments on other sRGB images and non-color managed apps would be most welcome.
 
Red is extremely vibrant on the NEC on default color profile which might be a bit irritating while surfing a website with a lot of red...like Hardforum or Yahoo Sports.

For video I always liked more color. That's how I watch programs and movies on my TV. For surfing and desktop use whites and reds will...kind of stand out.
 
As for the 2690WUXi, I must say that I was pretty afraid of the whole wide gamut story (oversaturated/"false" colors, etc.). Fortunately, it's not bad at all. Yes, solid bright colors (particularly red) stand out a bit more than on sRGB monitors but pictures, movies and games all look great. Vibrant but at the same time natural.

No reddish faces, no oversaturated general skin tones, nothing like that. Just very life-like, natural images. In fact, I like the wider gamut so much that I never even feel the need to use the sRGB preset mode. Images look a bit bland and washed out after you get used to WG.

However, judging from different reviews and opinions, the wider the gamut, the more apparent the tendency to oversaturate solid colors so I'd definitely be careful with the 2690WUXi2. If you can, try to see the image first before you buy.

In a nutshell, from my general user/gamer PoV, the previous model rocks and the wide gamut isn't anything to worry about, quite the contrary in fact. I can't say the same about the new one however, since I've never seen it and 4% of gamut could potentially make quite a difference.
 
My general impressions of my 2690 are about the same as darXoul's, so I'll just second what he said rather than type up a bunch of my own stuff.
 
I called B+H where I'll buy it and mentioned this "problem" to them. Their CSR said the new model, even with 4% more aRGB, has taken care of those types of problems. I had him specifically if he has seen the LCD with video & DVDs, etc. and said yes, but you know how reliable CSR's are when you might cancel an order. Anyways my 2690WUXi2-BK-SV is set to ship this Thursday.

Thanks for the positive reinforcement guys.
 
Originally posted by: Astrallite
Red is extremely vibrant on the NEC on default color profile which might be a bit irritating while surfing a website with a lot of red...like Hardforum or Yahoo Sports.
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Which browser? Firefox 3 color enabled?


For video I always liked more color. That's how I watch programs and movies on my TV. For surfing and desktop use whites and reds will...kind of stand out.
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Which players do you use? QuickTime, PowerDVD8, etc.?

Thanks.
 
Originally posted by: darXoul
As for the 2690WUXi, ..... so I'd definitely be careful with the 2690WUXi2. If you can, try to see the image first before you buy.

In a nutshell, from my general user/gamer PoV, the previous model rocks and the wide gamut isn't anything to worry about, quite the contrary in fact. I can't say the same about the new one however, since I've never seen it and 4% of gamut could potentially make quite a difference.
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Cannot really see one physically and even if I could it would be sort of looking at HDTV's at Best Buy, i.i. compare to what, source, calibrated how? So many important variables that you did not control or know their value to be assure that is what you'll really see at home once you've tuned it and with your content.
 
True. I bought my 2690 in a specialized LCD store in Warsaw, where I could check the panel for bad pixels, backlight uniformity, etc. Of course, it wasn't calibrated but I don't use it for any color critical work so seeing a movie and a few websites was enough for me to say "OK, it's not half as bad as I thought. This one goes home with me." 🙂
 
Everyone's eyes are different, and eyes attuned to color-correctness may think the 2690 goes too far at times outside of that space. You'll have to be the final judge, Cardo.

Since you're getting SV, go ahead and give the 2690 a calibration to the standard photo editing target... should be D65, 2.2 gamma, 140 nits intensity. 2690s tend to be a bit "warm" right out of the box (not to mention way too bright). Do that much before casting judgement.

You're certainly not going to see anything like a "suntan in a can" effect on characters in a movie with this display... I can attest to that much. It's lively and punchy, but it's not out of control or garish IMO.

Edit: I'm sure xtknight will happen upon this thread sooner or later (he has a 2690 too), but for now, have a look at his own review.
 
Thanks again everybody and you've been most helpful.

I hope I get all the new Xi2 model benefits and none of the teething problems of it being brand new.

I'll report back after it's calibrated and I've used it enough to form a steady opinion.
 
Originally posted by: ClickCardo
Originally posted by: Astrallite
Red is extremely vibrant on the NEC on default color profile which might be a bit irritating while surfing a website with a lot of red...like Hardforum or Yahoo Sports.
Click to expand...
Which browser? Firefox 3 color enabled?


For video I always liked more color. That's how I watch programs and movies on my TV. For surfing and desktop use whites and reds will...kind of stand out.
Click to expand...
Which players do you use? QuickTime, PowerDVD8, etc.?

Thanks.
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Firefox 3. I didn't really mess around with color management though, I typically just change the color profiles on the monitor itself.

I use Media Player Classic Home Cinema edition. It's pretty versatile and to my understanding its possible to get 8 channel PCM through FLAC encoding although I've never tried that.
 
I see that you already made up your mind. Let me confirm what has already been said about the 2690 series. Nearly all the "90" series tend to be "Warm" on the color profile.

The only exception I have found is with the new 3090WQXi That model tends to have a fairly neutral profile, uses and EEFL backlight array and adds full HDCP compliance.

I work for a display systems company, so I see all these fun toys every day and get to subject them to some torture tests as well as run full color workups on them as needed. I tend to find all the dirty little secrets that the manufacturers want to keep quiet. (Mura issues on the 2090UXi Series, Etc Etc)

We specialize in touchscreen integration as well as other display customization.

Feel free to hit me up for any additional information if you think I can assist.
 
DB42

Thanks for the more confirm.

I would have gone with the 3090, but it's just a little too much for my worktable and budget. I really want a wide gamut for my photo/print work and I've got FF3 gfx'ed enabled, but am really hoping movies and instructional content look good on it. I plan on keeping the Dell 2001FP, but it is beat so I'd rather not keep watching video on it.

Anybody using dual monitor, 1-wide gamut & 1-non-wide gamut, for photo work? I was thinking panels, checking sRBG, etc. Any other ideas?
 
Well I've had my 2690WUXi2 about a week now. Not one dead (sub)-pixel. I had to cancel the BK-SV order and just get the BK LCD straight up to get it fast. I ordered the SpectraView II software & wg-puck direct from NEC and it came a day or so after the LCD. I calibrated the 2690, P mode naturally, to D65/2.20/120.cd/m-squared. Had colorcomp up to five and the panel is very uniform by eye. All the test pattern screens look good except there is a slight green cast to what is supposed to be a solid yellow color screen. all other colors appear correct.

NEC tech support has benn great getting me going calibrating both my DELL & NEC displays even though they only make one of them. I'm going to have to ask them about that cast soon, but any other ideas welcome.

PS: the manual say the new Xi2 model can hardware calibrate the sRGB mode (at least it's white point). Have not played with that feature yet to say more.

PPS : I had to keep/use my Spyder3 Elete for the Dell. So far it works well. Cannot expect a perfect match between wg & non-wg monitors, but it's usable at least.
 
A bit out of topic, but I really need help from fellow WUXi2 owners visiting this thread: I cannot get the DVI-D input to work at all, using either single or dual link cables (while my Asus/ATI 4670 card successfully works with other monitors). I mean total blank image, no boot screens, no windows operation, no plug and play recognition of the monitor when connecting it to the PC. The DVI-I connector works flawlessly with any cable.

Could someone please take the time to kindly post his monitor's EDID information when actually connected via the DVI-D input? (The EDID data are 128 bytes sent from a monitor to a graphics card in the process of plug and play detection). The EDID data can be easily downloaded from the monitor using a variety of freeware tools, like Entech Moninfo (aka Monitor Asset Manager, http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm) or Viewsonic EDID editor (http://www.viewsonic.com/suppo...od_name=edid&x=7&y=13)

I would greatly appreciate your help, since EDID data cannot be found elsewhere on the internet, to trouble shoot my problem while I wait for the NEC support to digest the lengthy report of the problem I sent them yesterday. TIA!
 
I only have a DVI-I cable and connection at present. The monitor is great and better with each calibration as I get used to SVII. Let us know how the DVI-D works out. Maybe it would be worth me pursuing also. Have only done SVII test screens, photos and Firefox and color is very good. My audio apps color is not annoying or noticible shortly after switching.
 
The monitor. as I experience it after years with Eizo 22" CRTs, and as I read worldwide, is truly worth its weight in gold. I did not opt for the SV version, because I already have the Quato iColor Display with the DTP94 sensor, which is considered among the best (my emphasis is on press-ready production).

I don't think that a non-gamer would ever consider replacing the WUXi2 for something fancier or more "professional" or more "accurate" - press houses anyway tweak their prints according to their own taste for color, and so calibrating at a level higher than 97-98% does not make sense in practice. Even working in the fixed sRGB colorspace is such an eye-opener!
 
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