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Darwin Believed in God

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saxman

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On NPR a few weeks ago, there was a commentary about evolution vs. creationism, and a very interesting point came up. Scientists in Darwin's day(including Darwin), believed in a God that was logical. Thats what science was to them...discovering the Logic of God.
 
He was also a preachers kid and may have done some of his own ministering if I am correct. He actually didn't state evolution, he said "Survival of the fittest".
 
Kinda OT but don't you just despise those bumper stickers that feature the Jesus fish eating the Darwin fish?
 
Yawn, the Einstein quotes are typically used to show something that they don't actually say. They are completely out of context. Puruse the following link and sublinks in the frame to right and read what einstein actually meant in those quotes.

http://www.stcloud.msus.edu/~lesikar/einstein/short.html



<< My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment.

Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215 >>



 
I am a christian but the bible doesn't neccesarily say that it happened in days as we know it. Evolution may have been God's way of creation. How we got here isn't as important to me as the fact that we are here and the we have a reason.

-SpYrL-
 
It is not inconceiviable that the entire human race decended from an original pair.

Going back to the very beginning, whether it be monkey or fish or human; evolutionists are inclined to state that there was that ONE special cell that replicated itself that started the whole thing.

If you believe in evolution, do you believe there are many ancestors of the human race or just one ancestral family?
 
Hah! Doesn't sit well with some people that Einstein did, in fact, believe in God. Not a &quot;personal God&quot;, but God none the less. Why would that trouble them so?

Edit: Pssst apoppin, I'll go one better on that. Science has no clue where life originated from. No experiments, tests, proof... nada. There's plenty of room for at least a theory of God. Even more troubling, eh? 😛
 
<<Even more troubling, eh?>>

No, not for me.

When you finally grind an evolutionist down on the origins of life, they often finally spout some theory that sounds like science-fiction, not science-fact.
 
apoppin,

Now, you know that life came from complex proteins/amino acids that became charged by gamma rays and sun flares... don't you? 😉
 
Genesis was not meant to be taken literally. Can you imagine God trying to explain the Big Bang theory in mathmatical terms in Genesis? It's just like when your kid ask you where babies come from. Are you going to explain to him/her meiosis, mitosis, fertilization, synaptic cross-overs, diploid, haploid and etc? Get my point? It always amazes me how some people profess the glory of God's creations and yet they have no faith in any of God's clever physical laws.
 
If you don't take one part of the Bible as complete truth, you cannot take any other part of it as truth. If you say, &quot;well, that's just a story,&quot; you can apply that same idea to everything in it.

You either believe all of it, or you believe none of it, according to it's own definitions.

A Theistic Evolutionist believes that God set the initial spark of creation, but then stepped back to watch the &quot;natural&quot; evolution of his preliminary magic.

According to the Bible, even time did not exist before God created it. Therefore, there was no such thing as a &quot;day&quot; before God set creation into motion. Therefore, the first thing that he created had to have been the spacetime continuum (sp?), not light.
 
In Genesis, GOD did not create the Sun and the Moon to separate day from night until the 4th day. THe concept of time (1 day = from Sunrise to Sunrise) was not define until then. Therefore, THe 1st 3 days are not defined by a 24-hour interval.

Genesis 1:14 (King James version)

&quot;And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And GOd made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day; and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth.
And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: And God saw it was good. And the evening and the morning were the forth day&quot;


During the first 3 days, God created the Earth, the sky (heavens), seas (water), Earth (land), trees, fruit, seeds. Therefore it's moot to say the scientific age of the earth can't be enough time to evolve life, because life, in the form of plants and seeds as a method of reproduction, existed before the start of &quot;time&quot;. Animals were created in the 5th day and humankind (MALE AND FEMALE) was created on the 6th day in God's image. So Animals came before Humans. (you have to admit we share many many features with animals. Maybe God created Humankind to his image FROM ANIMALS).

BTW firmament = universe, and it was create in the 2nd day.

Also, the Bible can't be all taken literally. Just read Ecclesiastes. It contradicts many of the &quot;morals&quot; in the bible. THe basic message is have fun and sex while you're young. Taking the bible literally rather than metaphorically is IMO why there are so many religious wars. Even Jesus never told you his message directly. It was always through anecdotes.



 
true, but it is stated that each of the six major creations took place over six days.

Also, it is described in the Bible that one day to God is as 1000 years to us. Another arguement (one of the biggest, even in Seminary) is the one about the days being a literal 24hour versus 1000 for each &quot;day&quot;
There are solid arguements for both sides.
 
damn, another one of these threads... cant you all just see that no one is going to convince the other that there is/isnt a god... religion will always be with us no matter what... the human being is a curious being and will want to know where everything comes from.... even if you do prove that god did not create the earth, some people will say that the bible didnt mean &quot;earth&quot; literally... i dont think there will ever be a time where people leave each other's faith alone and finally figure out that the bible/koran/religious text can be interpreted however one wants to interpret it...
 
one day to God is as 1000 years to us.
That was said AFTER the creation. It's also not meant to be a precise measure, but just as a comparison.
 
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