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And you cannot regulate a substance like drugs either. Surely that can't be difficult to understand?
Alcohol and drugs are not the same substance for you people who want to talk about
prohibtion in the 1920's and 1930's. And the gangsters weren't just peddling alcohol either
if you think about it.
What I find deplorable (other than drugs) is an Elite member like yourself who
trys to shout down others because they don't "get in line" with what you espouse,
which is a bunch of BS that can be argued or debated for an indefinte period of time.
You talk about independent thought? What completely fresh thoughts that have never
been thought or voiced in the history of the world do you have to lay claim to?
She was initially speeding.
When she realized that the police were after her, she took off.
She knew that she had a suspended license and did not want to face the music.
Events overcame her. She paid the penalty and her friend did also.
If the friend knew that the license was invalid, she should not have allow3ed herself to be driven.
Hopefully the girls parents did not know that the license was suspended but I doubt it.
End of story!!!
When she realized that the police were after her, she took off.
She knew that she had a suspended license and did not want to face the music.
Events overcame her. She paid the penalty and her friend did also.
If the friend knew that the license was invalid, she should not have allow3ed herself to be driven.
Hopefully the girls parents did not know that the license was suspended but I doubt it.
End of story!!!
Vic
Elite Member
Yawn. I have a friend who is a drug counselor (state approved, mostly does DUI treatment cases). You know what he calls alcohol? "Liquid and legal". The ONLY differences between alcohol and illegal drugs is that alcohol is generally more addictive, more powerful, and more deadly than most illegal drugs. Sorry, pal, alcohol and drugs are very comparable (maybe because alcohol IS a drug? gee, funny that), as are the effects of the prohibition of each. And despite the fact that one can make alcohol at home just the same way one could make most drugs at home, the regulation of alcohol post-prohibition has been very effective.
And kindly don't hold it against me that I am an Elite member. IMO it simply demonstrates further ignorance from you. While I am highly appreciative of this honor that the AT community has decided to give me, I did not solicit, petition, or ask for it. When I received it (early this past spring), it was very unexpected. The mods told me that it was because of my contributions to this community and left it at that. Accordingly, I have not changed my posting style in any way from before I was made elite.
As it is, I am not attempting to "shout down" anyone. You trolled this thread arrogantly with an ignorant opinion (the details of which Gurck has provided), and IMO I have smacked as you deserve. I am not sorry that it hurt and offended you, as it was supposed to.
Regardless, the fact of the matter is that people are not simple. Quite the contrary, people are extremely complex. And the more people you have to deal with, the more complex they become. Therefore, when attempting to deal with the problems that accompany a large number of people, it is important to realize that the simplest solution is usually not the right solution. Locking up everyone with a dimebag might sound good, but is proven not to work. As Einstein wisely pointed out that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, it becomes apparent that a different soltion must be attempted. Moving back to the original topic, having the cops chase every one who runs at high speeds through crowded areas might sound exciting and cool, but the reality is that the use of modern technology like radios and helicopters can make that dangerous situation safer, enabling the police to more effective catch their suspect with less risk to innocent bystanders.
And that, just for you, is thought. You're welcome.
stnicralisk
Golden Member
Because you know that only southern states have had this type of thing happen 🙄
Chadder007
Diamond Member
Nomination for POST OF THE DAY. 😀
Chebago
Senior member
What about Holland? I know most of you will probably not read the whole thing, and still argue what you want, but I thought I would post it for someone that might be open minded, don't get me wrong, I'm very close minded on this issue also so I know where your coming from, but if you want a rebuttal about Holland, here it is:
Holland drug linkage
also, about Heroine use in Holland:
heroine Holland linkage
about this one, I don't know about you, but I would be mad if I was paying taxes for someone to get free Heroine, Holland has a population of about 15 million people and pays about 15 million euros a year, now multiply that by the united states population.
these are some of the good parts for someone that doesn't want to read the whole thing as it is kinda long:
"Our liberal drug policy has been a failure, but its advocates are so rooted to their convictions they cat t bring themselves to admit it," says Dr. Franz Koopman
I don't want to call it a drug problem because if I do, then we have to get into a discussion that cannabis is dangerous, that sometimes you can't use it without doing damage to your health or your psyche. The moment we say, 'There are people who have problems with soft drugs,' our critics will jump on us, so it makes it a little bit difficult for us to be objective on this matter."
As the coffee shops boomed between 1984 and 1996, marijuana use among Dutch youths aged 18 to 25 leapt by well over 200 percent. In 1997, there was a 25 percent increase in the number of registered cannabis addicts receiving treatment for their habit, as compared to a mere 3 percent rise in cases of alcohol
abuse. In 1995, public Ministry of Justice studies estimated that 700,000 to 750,000 of Holland's 15 million people--about 5 percent of the population--were regular cannabis users. A much more recent study just completed by Professor Pieter Cohen of the University of Amsterdam disputes those figures, claiming that only 325,000 to 350,000 Dutch men and women are regular cannabis users. Unfortunately, however, his survey discovered that those smokers are particularly concentrated among the young in densely populated areas of Amsterdam, Utrecht, and Rotterdam. In the last three to four years, these same areas have witnessed a skyrocketing growth in juvenile crime and the number of youths involved in acts of violence associated by many Dutch law-enforcement officers with the abuse of "soft" drugs. With remarkable candor, Amsterdam Police Commissioner Jelle Kuiper declared more than 18 months ago, "As long as our political class tries to pretend that soft drugs do not create dependence, we are going to go on being confronted daily with problems that officially do not exist. We are aware of an enormous number of young people strongly dependent on soft drugs, with all the consequences that has." A few months later, his counterpart in The Hague, the de facto Dutch capital, echoed his views: 'Sixty-five percent of the persistent rise we are seeing in criminality is due to juveniles
and above all juvenile drug users."
the annual Nederwiet harvest is a staggering 100 tons a year, almost all grown illegally. And it does not stay in the Netherlands. Perhaps as much as 65 tons of pot is exported--equally
illegally--to Holland's neighbors. Holland now rivals Morocco as the principal source of European marijuana. By the Dutch Ministry of Justice's own estimates, the Nederwiet industry employs 20,000 people. The overall commercial value of the industry, including not only the growth and sale of the plant itself but the export of high-potency Nederwiet seeds to the rest of Europe and the United States, is 20 billion Dutch guilders, or about $10 billion--virtually all of it illegal and almost none of it subject to any form of Dutch taxation. The illegal export of cannabis today brings in far more money than that other traditional Dutch crop, tulips.
In the 1970s, advocates of Holland's coffee-shop policy argued that providing soft-drug users with a shopping outlet in which to buy their drugs would keep them from falling prey to drug-peddling criminals. At the same time, they would be corralled off from hard-drug users into a congenial environment of their own.
Petty criminality would fall, and hard-drug consumption would be cut by offering young people an attractive alternative.
That was the theory. Unfortunately, it did not work. A 1997 report on hard-drug use in the Netherlands by the government-financed Trimbos Institute acknowledged that "drug use is considered to be the primary motivation behind crimes against property"--23 years after the Dutch policy was supposed to put the brake on that.
enjoy😀
Holland drug linkage
also, about Heroine use in Holland:
heroine Holland linkage
about this one, I don't know about you, but I would be mad if I was paying taxes for someone to get free Heroine, Holland has a population of about 15 million people and pays about 15 million euros a year, now multiply that by the united states population.
these are some of the good parts for someone that doesn't want to read the whole thing as it is kinda long:
"Our liberal drug policy has been a failure, but its advocates are so rooted to their convictions they cat t bring themselves to admit it," says Dr. Franz Koopman
I don't want to call it a drug problem because if I do, then we have to get into a discussion that cannabis is dangerous, that sometimes you can't use it without doing damage to your health or your psyche. The moment we say, 'There are people who have problems with soft drugs,' our critics will jump on us, so it makes it a little bit difficult for us to be objective on this matter."
As the coffee shops boomed between 1984 and 1996, marijuana use among Dutch youths aged 18 to 25 leapt by well over 200 percent. In 1997, there was a 25 percent increase in the number of registered cannabis addicts receiving treatment for their habit, as compared to a mere 3 percent rise in cases of alcohol
abuse. In 1995, public Ministry of Justice studies estimated that 700,000 to 750,000 of Holland's 15 million people--about 5 percent of the population--were regular cannabis users. A much more recent study just completed by Professor Pieter Cohen of the University of Amsterdam disputes those figures, claiming that only 325,000 to 350,000 Dutch men and women are regular cannabis users. Unfortunately, however, his survey discovered that those smokers are particularly concentrated among the young in densely populated areas of Amsterdam, Utrecht, and Rotterdam. In the last three to four years, these same areas have witnessed a skyrocketing growth in juvenile crime and the number of youths involved in acts of violence associated by many Dutch law-enforcement officers with the abuse of "soft" drugs. With remarkable candor, Amsterdam Police Commissioner Jelle Kuiper declared more than 18 months ago, "As long as our political class tries to pretend that soft drugs do not create dependence, we are going to go on being confronted daily with problems that officially do not exist. We are aware of an enormous number of young people strongly dependent on soft drugs, with all the consequences that has." A few months later, his counterpart in The Hague, the de facto Dutch capital, echoed his views: 'Sixty-five percent of the persistent rise we are seeing in criminality is due to juveniles
and above all juvenile drug users."
the annual Nederwiet harvest is a staggering 100 tons a year, almost all grown illegally. And it does not stay in the Netherlands. Perhaps as much as 65 tons of pot is exported--equally
illegally--to Holland's neighbors. Holland now rivals Morocco as the principal source of European marijuana. By the Dutch Ministry of Justice's own estimates, the Nederwiet industry employs 20,000 people. The overall commercial value of the industry, including not only the growth and sale of the plant itself but the export of high-potency Nederwiet seeds to the rest of Europe and the United States, is 20 billion Dutch guilders, or about $10 billion--virtually all of it illegal and almost none of it subject to any form of Dutch taxation. The illegal export of cannabis today brings in far more money than that other traditional Dutch crop, tulips.
In the 1970s, advocates of Holland's coffee-shop policy argued that providing soft-drug users with a shopping outlet in which to buy their drugs would keep them from falling prey to drug-peddling criminals. At the same time, they would be corralled off from hard-drug users into a congenial environment of their own.
Petty criminality would fall, and hard-drug consumption would be cut by offering young people an attractive alternative.
That was the theory. Unfortunately, it did not work. A 1997 report on hard-drug use in the Netherlands by the government-financed Trimbos Institute acknowledged that "drug use is considered to be the primary motivation behind crimes against property"--23 years after the Dutch policy was supposed to put the brake on that.
enjoy😀
MercenaryForHire
Lifer
Word. ragazzo needs to stop playing so much Silent Scope.
- M4H
Your friend is a complete moron, alcohol is generally NOT physically addictive while most other drugs are. Which drugs is it more powerful than? Heroin, Cocain, PCP, Meth, X, GHB, the numerous variants? You name them, you said MOST.
I really hate idiots who claim this sh!t without knowing their ass from a hole in the ground, tell your friend to get some education on the matter.
I won't hold anything besides your ignorance against you, is that ok?
Alcohol is physically addictive. Withdrawl can be fatal. Nicotine and heroin (and other opiates) are as well. On the other hand, marijuana, hallucinogens (acid, mushrooms, peyote, mescaline), and cocaine* aren't.
* Cocaine inhibits dopamine reuptake, meaning more is hanging around making the user feel good. This is direct pleasure center stimulation, and although coke isn't technically physically addictive, it's far more psychologically addictive than most other psychologically addictive drugs and activities. Same goes for crack, as it's just coke in smokeable form
No it isn't for most people, withdrawal has nothing to do with how addictive it is, if it did you could say that meth is addictive, but it isn't.
SOME people have SOMETHING in their systems that means that they have to have it.
I understand what you are getting at, but try this, drink for five years and then quit, you will have NOTHING but a bad hangover unless you carry whatever it is that makes some people addicted.
Try the same thing with any other drug, in the same amount, now what?
Did you get that edit from www.crackisgreat.com or what?
That is not nearly the only function of cocaine or crack and anyone with half a brain cell would get that, there are numerous ways to inibit dopamine uptake or reuptake and none of them has the effects of cocaine.
You do realize there are two types of addictions, yes? Physical addictions are where the body needs the chemical to perform its functions. Psychological addictions are where something - anything - is pleasureable enough to disrupt someone's life and cause them difficulty quitting. Physically addictive drugs are especially dangerous because they're inherently psychologically addictive as well. Alcohol is physically addictive. Withdrawl can be fatal.
You're questioning my sources when your arguments are anecdotal at best? 😕 I know what I'm talking about. Of course cocaine has many effects on the body; I was explaining the major reason for its addictive nature despite not being physically addictive as best I could to someone who doesn't even know the difference between types of addiction.
When i was younger we had a pot addict in the gang i used to hang out with, one day he got a bad nosebleed and got stuck in a psychosis, now, i base my drug experience on pot on that, scary stuff.
I once trained and fought on a professional level in thai boxin, internationally, i used meth and meth-testosterone to get my systems up and running, along with several other steroids like parabolan and hexalon i got enough agressivness to kick ass, there are no tests in the professional levels, that goes for thai, kick and regular boxing. a couple of meth-test before (under the tounge) made me think i was invincible.
Now, none of these things are addictive, you can just quit them, or rather most people can, i couldn't.
I KNOW the feeling and i know why i get it while others who were on EXACTLY the same stuff don't.
You are wrong.
And you accused me of hijacking the thread? 🙂
Oh well I guess it's better than a bunch of wftbbqwatermelon posts
that appear on the lighter subject threads.
Anecdotal Evidence
Description: The argument draws a conclusion from cases specifically chosen to support the argument, while ignoring cases that might tend to undermine the argument.
Big word, but it basically says you don't show all your cards when you are debating because
you might make your case look weak.
Alcoholism runs in my mother's family for at least 3 generations before her and I'm thankful
that I stayed away from the stuff myself and don't wish it on anyone.
Alcohol (either soft or hard) and drugs (either soft or hard) are like a wildcat
in a cardboard box. You may think you can master it but if you aren't careful
(or lucky) it will end up eating you up in the long run.
I would like for anyone to tell me how over indulgence and entrapment in either brings quality to
human life?
We wouldn't be speaking about drugs if you hadn't brought it up knowing fully what would ensue. Bush, drugs, abortion, and religion all have this effect.
I'm sorry that some people in your family can't control their alcohol consumption, and I'm of the opinion that it's got a strong genetic basis, and wouldn't fully put them at fault. However, alcohol is far more dangerous than marijuana, and not everyone shares the aforementioned inability to control themselves. You're drawing conclusions from far too small a sample, and a sample in the minority at that; there are far more people who enjoy an occasional drink than there are alcoholics.
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