Darwin Award for 8/18/04.

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
No, actually you have no idea what you are talking about.

You just like to pretend that yo do.

Text, you rube.
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First site I found doing a quick search, they're probably biased against drug use, and as such it's all the more telling that they prove my point. I'm not going to waste any more time on you than is strictly necessary to prove my point. See, there's this place called college, and... ah, nevermind, you wouldn't understand. I also have firsthand experience as do close friends. Yes, intelligent & self-controlled people can experiment without becoming addicts. Freud did as well 😉

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Your friend is a complete moron, alcohol is generally NOT physically addictive while most other drugs are. Which drugs is it more powerful than? Heroin, Cocain, PCP, Meth, X, GHB, the numerous variants? You name them, you said MOST.

I really hate idiots who claim this sh!t without knowing their ass from a hole in the ground, tell your friend to get some education on the matter.

I won't hold anything besides your ignorance against you, is that ok?

Sorry, you're wrong. Alcohol IS physically addictive while marijuana is not. Heroin is, cocaine is not. I won't speak for the others you mentioned, and I personally do not know.
Alcohol is particularly powerful, considerably more than marijuana, more than cocaine, but less than heroin. I can't speak for the rest of your list, and I only name those I did because you asked me to. I have no experience in them, and can only go by what I have heard or read from trusted sources.

As I mentioned, my "moron" friend is a state licensed drug and alcohol counselor, and (I don't know how the states license counselors in Europe) that means education over here in the States. Specifically, a bachelors degree in psychology with specific post-graduate education in the effects of drug abuse plus state-mandated continuing education every year in order to maintain the license.
Thank you, good day.


Also, I did not bring up Holland or the Netherlands, nor would I be inclined to do so. I do not approved of their decriminalization program, as I see it as basically a form of socialized drug abuse -- a very bad idea, like going from one bad extreme to another. My proposal would be to legalize and regulate similar to alcohol in America post-prohibition, a form of drug regulation that has proven itself to be at least somewhat effective.

Originally posted by: jyates
I would like for anyone to tell me how over indulgence and entrapment in either brings quality to
human life?

Who really cares when it is known that your little war to tell other people how to live (or else! I might add) is proven to reduce quality in human life and society at large?
The reality is that if someone wants to fsck their life with drugs and alcohol, nothing anyone can ever do can stop them. Wasting the finite resources of the people on these losers is just that... a waste. And the cost in civil liberties is inexcusable.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

What the officer did was correct. Hell, you can figure that out just by watching World's Wildest Police Chases... Most of them end with the officer steering his squad car's front bumper into the fleeing vehicles rear so they spin out. Now if he did this while there were other cars around, and the fleeing car hit an innocent bystanding car, then the officer would be in the wrong. It's the girl's fault for going at such a dangerous speed. When speeding, death is a risk. She took that risk, and things didnt work out for her. It's sad, but she shouldnt have taken off in the first place.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
What the officer did was correct. Hell, you can figure that out just by watching World's Wildest Police Chases... Most of them end with the officer steering his squad car's front bumper into the fleeing vehicles rear so they spin out. Now if he did this while there were other cars around, and the fleeing car hit an innocent bystanding car, then the officer would be in the wrong. It's the girl's fault for going at such a dangerous speed. When speeding, death is a risk. She took that risk, and things didnt work out for her. It's sad, but she shouldnt have taken off in the first place.

Agreed.

As I said in my first post in this thread (now long off topic), I do not feel bad for the driver, just the passenger. Nor do I think the cop did the wrong thing, as no innocent bystanders were harmed (therefore it safe to assume, or at the very least give him the benefit of the doubt, that he must have used good judgement).

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Klixxer
When i was younger we had a pot addict in the gang i used to hang out with, one day he got a bad nosebleed and got stuck in a psychosis, now, i base my drug experience on pot on that, scary stuff.

I once trained and fought on a professional level in thai boxin, internationally, i used meth and meth-testosterone to get my systems up and running, along with several other steroids like parabolan and hexalon i got enough agressivness to kick ass, there are no tests in the professional levels, that goes for thai, kick and regular boxing. a couple of meth-test before (under the tounge) made me think i was invincible.

Now, none of these things are addictive, you can just quit them, or rather most people can, i couldn't.

I KNOW the feeling and i know why i get it while others who were on EXACTLY the same stuff don't.

You are wrong.

Anecdotal evidence means nothing. I'm not talking about how hard anything is to quit. Read my posts, I won't explain it again. You're quite wrong.

And you accused me of hijacking the thread? 🙂

Oh well I guess it's better than a bunch of wftbbqwatermelon posts
that appear on the lighter subject threads.


Anecdotal Evidence

Description: The argument draws a conclusion from cases specifically chosen to support the argument, while ignoring cases that might tend to undermine the argument.

Big word, but it basically says you don't show all your cards when you are debating because
you might make your case look weak.

Alcoholism runs in my mother's family for at least 3 generations before her and I'm thankful
that I stayed away from the stuff myself and don't wish it on anyone.

Alcohol (either soft or hard) and drugs (either soft or hard) are like a wildcat
in a cardboard box. You may think you can master it but if you aren't careful
(or lucky) it will end up eating you up in the long run.

I would like for anyone to tell me how over indulgence and entrapment in either brings quality to
human life?

We wouldn't be speaking about drugs if you hadn't brought it up knowing fully what would ensue. Bush, drugs, abortion, and religion all have this effect.

I'm sorry that some people in your family can't control their alcohol consumption, and I'm of the opinion that it's got a strong genetic basis, and wouldn't fully put them at fault. However, alcohol is far more dangerous than marijuana, and not everyone shares the aforementioned inability to control themselves. You're drawing conclusions from far too small a sample, and a sample in the minority at that; there are far more people who enjoy an occasional drink than there are alcoholics.

I guess that is why this is called a discussion forum. huh?

We could all post "wtfomgbbqwatermelon" in every thread but that would get pretty boring and even though I don't agree with some things posted I have learned quite a bit reading some of these "hot" threads. None the less, they are all issues and unless there are rules passed concerning what topics
can be commented on I'm sure there will be plenty more posted in the future.

Since so many champion the "right to free speech" here on ATOT I doubt the mods will be censoring
discussion on "hot" topics. 🙂

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Klixxer
When i was younger we had a pot addict in the gang i used to hang out with, one day he got a bad nosebleed and got stuck in a psychosis, now, i base my drug experience on pot on that, scary stuff.

I once trained and fought on a professional level in thai boxin, internationally, i used meth and meth-testosterone to get my systems up and running, along with several other steroids like parabolan and hexalon i got enough agressivness to kick ass, there are no tests in the professional levels, that goes for thai, kick and regular boxing. a couple of meth-test before (under the tounge) made me think i was invincible.

Now, none of these things are addictive, you can just quit them, or rather most people can, i couldn't.

I KNOW the feeling and i know why i get it while others who were on EXACTLY the same stuff don't.

You are wrong.

Anecdotal evidence means nothing. I'm not talking about how hard anything is to quit. Read my posts, I won't explain it again. You're quite wrong.

And you accused me of hijacking the thread? 🙂

Oh well I guess it's better than a bunch of wftbbqwatermelon posts
that appear on the lighter subject threads.


Anecdotal Evidence

Description: The argument draws a conclusion from cases specifically chosen to support the argument, while ignoring cases that might tend to undermine the argument.

Big word, but it basically says you don't show all your cards when you are debating because
you might make your case look weak.

Alcoholism runs in my mother's family for at least 3 generations before her and I'm thankful
that I stayed away from the stuff myself and don't wish it on anyone.

Alcohol (either soft or hard) and drugs (either soft or hard) are like a wildcat
in a cardboard box. You may think you can master it but if you aren't careful
(or lucky) it will end up eating you up in the long run.

I would like for anyone to tell me how over indulgence and entrapment in either brings quality to
human life?

We wouldn't be speaking about drugs if you hadn't brought it up knowing fully what would ensue. Bush, drugs, abortion, and religion all have this effect.

I'm sorry that some people in your family can't control their alcohol consumption, and I'm of the opinion that it's got a strong genetic basis, and wouldn't fully put them at fault. However, alcohol is far more dangerous than marijuana, and not everyone shares the aforementioned inability to control themselves. You're drawing conclusions from far too small a sample, and a sample in the minority at that; there are far more people who enjoy an occasional drink than there are alcoholics.

I guess that is why this is called a discussion forum. huh?

We could all post "wtfomgbbqwatermelon" in every thread but that would get pretty boring and even though I don't agree with some things posted I have learned quite a bit reading some of these "hot" threads. None the less, they are all issues and unless there are rules passed concerning what topics
can be commented on I'm sure there will be plenty more posted in the future.

Since so many champion the "right to free speech" here on ATOT I doubt the mods will be censoring
discussion on "hot" topics. 🙂

Nah, just saying that if you wanted to discuss it you could have started a new thread or revived an old one on the subject. Doing what you did would be like entering a thread about Doom3 or the new Corvette and stating "Bush sucks".

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Your friend is a complete moron, alcohol is generally NOT physically addictive while most other drugs are. Which drugs is it more powerful than? Heroin, Cocain, PCP, Meth, X, GHB, the numerous variants? You name them, you said MOST.

I really hate idiots who claim this sh!t without knowing their ass from a hole in the ground, tell your friend to get some education on the matter.

I won't hold anything besides your ignorance against you, is that ok?

Sorry, you're wrong. Alcohol IS physically addictive while marijuana is not. Heroin is, cocaine is not. I won't speak for the others you mentioned, and I personally do not know.
Alcohol is particularly powerful, considerably more than marijuana, more than cocaine, but less than heroin. I can't speak for the rest of your list, and I only name those I did because you asked me to. I have no experience in them, and can only go by what I have heard or read from trusted sources.

As I mentioned, my "moron" friend is a state licensed drug and alcohol counselor, and (I don't know how the states license counselors in Europe) that means education over here in the States. Specifically, a bachelors degree in psychology with specific post-graduate education in the effects of drug abuse plus state-mandated continuing education every year in order to maintain the license.
Thank you, good day.


Also, I did not bring up Holland or the Netherlands, nor would I be inclined to do so. I do not approved of their decriminalization program, as I see it as basically a form of socialized drug abuse -- a very bad idea, like going from one bad extreme to another. My proposal would be to legalize and regulate similar to alcohol in America post-prohibition, a form of drug regulation that has proven itself to be at least somewhat effective.

Originally posted by: jyates
I would like for anyone to tell me how over indulgence and entrapment in either brings quality to
human life?

Who really cares when it is known that your little war to tell other people how to live (or else! I might add) is proven to reduce quality in human life and society at large?
The reality is that if someone wants to fsck their life with drugs and alcohol, nothing anyone can ever do can stop them. Wasting the finite resources of the people on these losers is just that... a waste. And the cost in civil liberties is inexcusable.

You may not care with your "who really cares?" attitude but I'm sure there are some here
who do care about what drugs and alcohol is doing to our society.

But nice deflection of the question anyway. I only expected more of you 🙁

 

[Eli]

I dunno man, the whole idea of a police chance has always irked me.

They wouldn't be endangering innocent bystanders if they weren't chasing them.

😕

Although, it does say they were speeding. But you can still see what I'm saying.

Instead of a full-on chase, why don't they do it with a little more subtlety? Tire spikes, road blocks, etc..

Could've saved 2 peoples lives.

Edit: Wow, how did this turn into a drug discussion? lol

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Your friend is a complete moron, alcohol is generally NOT physically addictive while most other drugs are. Which drugs is it more powerful than? Heroin, Cocain, PCP, Meth, X, GHB, the numerous variants? You name them, you said MOST.

I really hate idiots who claim this sh!t without knowing their ass from a hole in the ground, tell your friend to get some education on the matter.

I won't hold anything besides your ignorance against you, is that ok?

Sorry, you're wrong. Alcohol IS physically addictive while marijuana is not. Heroin is, cocaine is not. I won't speak for the others you mentioned, and I personally do not know.
Alcohol is particularly powerful, considerably more than marijuana, more than cocaine, but less than heroin. I can't speak for the rest of your list, and I only name those I did because you asked me to. I have no experience in them, and can only go by what I have heard or read from trusted sources.

As I mentioned, my "moron" friend is a state licensed drug and alcohol counselor, and (I don't know how the states license counselors in Europe) that means education over here in the States. Specifically, a bachelors degree in psychology with specific post-graduate education in the effects of drug abuse plus state-mandated continuing education every year in order to maintain the license.
Thank you, good day.


Also, I did not bring up Holland or the Netherlands, nor would I be inclined to do so. I do not approved of their decriminalization program, as I see it as basically a form of socialized drug abuse -- a very bad idea, like going from one bad extreme to another. My proposal would be to legalize and regulate similar to alcohol in America post-prohibition, a form of drug regulation that has proven itself to be at least somewhat effective.

Originally posted by: jyates
I would like for anyone to tell me how over indulgence and entrapment in either brings quality to
human life?

Who really cares when it is known that your little war to tell other people how to live (or else! I might add) is proven to reduce quality in human life and society at large?
The reality is that if someone wants to fsck their life with drugs and alcohol, nothing anyone can ever do can stop them. Wasting the finite resources of the people on these losers is just that... a waste. And the cost in civil liberties is inexcusable.

You may not care with your "who really cares?" attitude but I'm sure there are some here
who do care about what drugs and alcohol is doing to our society.

But nice deflection of the question anyway. I only expected more of you 🙁

Their illegal status is to blame for a lot more of the harm to others associated with them than their use. Illegality is what keeps prices up, encouraging crime in some cases to get more, and encourages the involvement of organized crime. Assuming drugs were as bad as you think, would you say it's better for someone to hurt themselves, or to hurt others and themselves?

Personally I'd like to see decriminalization of marijuana and a focus on helping hard-drug addicts rather than jailing them. Rehab is less expensive than jail and could come partially out of pocket and/or partially be paid by community service. Take a step back for a moment and consider how ridiculous it really is to consider someone who harms themself a criminal.

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Klixxer
When i was younger we had a pot addict in the gang i used to hang out with, one day he got a bad nosebleed and got stuck in a psychosis, now, i base my drug experience on pot on that, scary stuff.

I once trained and fought on a professional level in thai boxin, internationally, i used meth and meth-testosterone to get my systems up and running, along with several other steroids like parabolan and hexalon i got enough agressivness to kick ass, there are no tests in the professional levels, that goes for thai, kick and regular boxing. a couple of meth-test before (under the tounge) made me think i was invincible.

Now, none of these things are addictive, you can just quit them, or rather most people can, i couldn't.

I KNOW the feeling and i know why i get it while others who were on EXACTLY the same stuff don't.

You are wrong.

Anecdotal evidence means nothing. I'm not talking about how hard anything is to quit. Read my posts, I won't explain it again. You're quite wrong.

And you accused me of hijacking the thread? 🙂

Oh well I guess it's better than a bunch of wftbbqwatermelon posts
that appear on the lighter subject threads.


Anecdotal Evidence

Description: The argument draws a conclusion from cases specifically chosen to support the argument, while ignoring cases that might tend to undermine the argument.

Big word, but it basically says you don't show all your cards when you are debating because
you might make your case look weak.

Alcoholism runs in my mother's family for at least 3 generations before her and I'm thankful
that I stayed away from the stuff myself and don't wish it on anyone.

Alcohol (either soft or hard) and drugs (either soft or hard) are like a wildcat
in a cardboard box. You may think you can master it but if you aren't careful
(or lucky) it will end up eating you up in the long run.

I would like for anyone to tell me how over indulgence and entrapment in either brings quality to
human life?

We wouldn't be speaking about drugs if you hadn't brought it up knowing fully what would ensue. Bush, drugs, abortion, and religion all have this effect.

I'm sorry that some people in your family can't control their alcohol consumption, and I'm of the opinion that it's got a strong genetic basis, and wouldn't fully put them at fault. However, alcohol is far more dangerous than marijuana, and not everyone shares the aforementioned inability to control themselves. You're drawing conclusions from far too small a sample, and a sample in the minority at that; there are far more people who enjoy an occasional drink than there are alcoholics.

I guess that is why this is called a discussion forum. huh?

We could all post "wtfomgbbqwatermelon" in every thread but that would get pretty boring and even though I don't agree with some things posted I have learned quite a bit reading some of these "hot" threads. None the less, they are all issues and unless there are rules passed concerning what topics
can be commented on I'm sure there will be plenty more posted in the future.

Since so many champion the "right to free speech" here on ATOT I doubt the mods will be censoring
discussion on "hot" topics. 🙂

Nah, just saying that if you wanted to discuss it you could have started a new thread or revived an old one on the subject. Doing what you did would be like entering a thread about Doom3 or the new Corvette and stating "Bush sucks".

Not really, I think you are blowing my comment up bigger than it was meant, but thanks for the inflation anyway. 🙂

I only equated the practice of not chasing speeders who are running away from the law with legalizing drugs. In the sense that if you don't chase people who have broken the law you can expect them to not break the law again. So you can see that the comparing wasn't that big of a reach.

But as noted earlier. Depending on what side of the axe you are grinding you can float a boat
with stats for and against the legalization. I am of the view that legalization is a very bad
ideal (just in case you haven't figured it out yet) haha.....

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: jyates
That's about like the joke of legalizing drugs so people will stop using them and
all of society's problems will go away magically.

The cops don't have a born right to drive over the legal speed limit unless they
are in pursuit or on a emergency call. They may do it and if they cause an accident
then it should be on their heads. We had a dummy state trooper who hurt 2 people
very badly on an interstate wreck because of his ignorance and the state just paid
out some very big money to them.

My thoughts are if you run from the law then they have the right to pursue you and
if anyone gets hurt during the pursuit it goes on YOUR record and YOU bear any
and all burden of what happens for YOUR ignorance.

:roll:

No one is talking about "magically" getting rid of the problems caused by drugs, but the problems caused by the black market in illegal drugs. Think alcohol during and after Prohibition. We don't have bootleggers and Al Capone-like characters profiting heavily in illegal alcohol anymore do we? No, legalization and regulation of alcohol manufacture and distribution made the alcohol safer for the consumers were going to drink it anyway and took the illicit profict and violence out of the trade, and in addition re-opened a very large revenue stream to the government. It is very safe to assume that same thing would happen with drug legalization and regulation. Thank YOU for YOUR astounding ignorance.

And blame and people's "records" are meaningless when innocents are already dead. The idea of limited chases is to lower the body count, not let people get away. With radios and helicopters, the cops are going to get them anyway, so why put innocents at stake?

Back on topic, I only feel bad for the passenger who (for all we know) may have just wanted out of the car. The driver was just plain stupid.

Stupidity kills both the guilty and the innocent and you just keep on smoking whatever you
are smoking to believe that drug legalization and regulation is going to cure the scourge of
drugs in our society. Even MM couldn't sell that bill of goods in one of his movies.

OK, I am sorry, but are you just completely fscking retarded or what?

So do you believe that drugs being illegal is the solution?

Wake up. Clearly, it is not.

Originally posted by: jyates


And you cannot regulate a substance like drugs either. Surely that can't be difficult to understand?
Alcohol and drugs are not the same substance for you people who want to talk about
prohibtion in the 1920's and 1930's. And the gangsters weren't just peddling alcohol either
if you think about it.

What I find deplorable (other than drugs) is an Elite member like yourself who
trys to shout down others because they don't "get in line" with what you espouse,
which is a bunch of BS that can be argued or debated for an indefinte period of time.

You talk about independent thought? What completely fresh thoughts that have never
been thought or voiced in the history of the world do you have to lay claim to?

hahahahahahahaha

What a fscking CROCK OF SH!T.

Alcohol and drugs are not the same substance?

hahahahahahahaha....

So.. if alcohol isn't a drug, what is it?

Seriously, you can't be this stupid.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Klixxer
When i was younger we had a pot addict in the gang i used to hang out with, one day he got a bad nosebleed and got stuck in a psychosis, now, i base my drug experience on pot on that, scary stuff.

I once trained and fought on a professional level in thai boxin, internationally, i used meth and meth-testosterone to get my systems up and running, along with several other steroids like parabolan and hexalon i got enough agressivness to kick ass, there are no tests in the professional levels, that goes for thai, kick and regular boxing. a couple of meth-test before (under the tounge) made me think i was invincible.

Now, none of these things are addictive, you can just quit them, or rather most people can, i couldn't.

I KNOW the feeling and i know why i get it while others who were on EXACTLY the same stuff don't.

You are wrong.

Anecdotal evidence means nothing. I'm not talking about how hard anything is to quit. Read my posts, I won't explain it again. You're quite wrong.

And you accused me of hijacking the thread? 🙂

Oh well I guess it's better than a bunch of wftbbqwatermelon posts
that appear on the lighter subject threads.


Anecdotal Evidence

Description: The argument draws a conclusion from cases specifically chosen to support the argument, while ignoring cases that might tend to undermine the argument.

Big word, but it basically says you don't show all your cards when you are debating because
you might make your case look weak.

Alcoholism runs in my mother's family for at least 3 generations before her and I'm thankful
that I stayed away from the stuff myself and don't wish it on anyone.

Alcohol (either soft or hard) and drugs (either soft or hard) are like a wildcat
in a cardboard box. You may think you can master it but if you aren't careful
(or lucky) it will end up eating you up in the long run.

I would like for anyone to tell me how over indulgence and entrapment in either brings quality to
human life?

We wouldn't be speaking about drugs if you hadn't brought it up knowing fully what would ensue. Bush, drugs, abortion, and religion all have this effect.

I'm sorry that some people in your family can't control their alcohol consumption, and I'm of the opinion that it's got a strong genetic basis, and wouldn't fully put them at fault. However, alcohol is far more dangerous than marijuana, and not everyone shares the aforementioned inability to control themselves. You're drawing conclusions from far too small a sample, and a sample in the minority at that; there are far more people who enjoy an occasional drink than there are alcoholics.

I guess that is why this is called a discussion forum. huh?

We could all post "wtfomgbbqwatermelon" in every thread but that would get pretty boring and even though I don't agree with some things posted I have learned quite a bit reading some of these "hot" threads. None the less, they are all issues and unless there are rules passed concerning what topics
can be commented on I'm sure there will be plenty more posted in the future.

Since so many champion the "right to free speech" here on ATOT I doubt the mods will be censoring
discussion on "hot" topics. 🙂

Nah, just saying that if you wanted to discuss it you could have started a new thread or revived an old one on the subject. Doing what you did would be like entering a thread about Doom3 or the new Corvette and stating "Bush sucks".

Not really, I think you are blowing my comment up bigger than it was meant, but thanks for the inflation anyway. 🙂

I only equated the practice of not chasing speeders who are running away from the law with legalizing drugs. In the sense that if you don't chase people who have broken the law you can expect them to not break the law again. So you can see that the comparing wasn't that big of a reach.

But as noted earlier. Depending on what side of the axe you are grinding you can float a boat
with stats for and against the legalization. I am of the view that legalization is a very bad
ideal (just in case you haven't figured it out yet) haha.....

Point made, but there are certain things you can't mention even in passing. Take a look at any anti-Bush joke that's been made in OT. It's just a joke - yet they all got 100+ replies in a few hours with bonus namecalling 😉

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
What the officer did was correct. Hell, you can figure that out just by watching World's Wildest Police Chases... Most of them end with the officer steering his squad car's front bumper into the fleeing vehicles rear so they spin out. Now if he did this while there were other cars around, and the fleeing car hit an innocent bystanding car, then the officer would be in the wrong. It's the girl's fault for going at such a dangerous speed. When speeding, death is a risk. She took that risk, and things didnt work out for her. It's sad, but she shouldnt have taken off in the first place.

Notwithstanding the questionable judgement on the part of the cop that ended up with a girl getting deaded for making a stupid decision ..

You seem to be missing the fact that a 17 year old boy in the passenger seat was killed as well.

Is killing all the occupants in a vehicle SOP when there is a carjacking?

The cop who did this is a bonehead, and should be punished. If investigation determines the deaths were accidental due to his miscalculation of the situation, he needs to be stripped, fined, and sent to the hole for a couple years. If it is determined that he was deliberately using excessive force, he needs to be strung up by his testicles.

I don't care if they get paid dirt and treated it too. Cops applied for their jobs and the responsibilities that come with power. If they can't handle it, they need to be treated like any other scumbag.

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Your friend is a complete moron, alcohol is generally NOT physically addictive while most other drugs are. Which drugs is it more powerful than? Heroin, Cocain, PCP, Meth, X, GHB, the numerous variants? You name them, you said MOST.

I really hate idiots who claim this sh!t without knowing their ass from a hole in the ground, tell your friend to get some education on the matter.

I won't hold anything besides your ignorance against you, is that ok?

Sorry, you're wrong. Alcohol IS physically addictive while marijuana is not. Heroin is, cocaine is not. I won't speak for the others you mentioned, and I personally do not know.
Alcohol is particularly powerful, considerably more than marijuana, more than cocaine, but less than heroin. I can't speak for the rest of your list, and I only name those I did because you asked me to. I have no experience in them, and can only go by what I have heard or read from trusted sources.

As I mentioned, my "moron" friend is a state licensed drug and alcohol counselor, and (I don't know how the states license counselors in Europe) that means education over here in the States. Specifically, a bachelors degree in psychology with specific post-graduate education in the effects of drug abuse plus state-mandated continuing education every year in order to maintain the license.
Thank you, good day.


Also, I did not bring up Holland or the Netherlands, nor would I be inclined to do so. I do not approved of their decriminalization program, as I see it as basically a form of socialized drug abuse -- a very bad idea, like going from one bad extreme to another. My proposal would be to legalize and regulate similar to alcohol in America post-prohibition, a form of drug regulation that has proven itself to be at least somewhat effective.

Originally posted by: jyates
I would like for anyone to tell me how over indulgence and entrapment in either brings quality to
human life?

Who really cares when it is known that your little war to tell other people how to live (or else! I might add) is proven to reduce quality in human life and society at large?
The reality is that if someone wants to fsck their life with drugs and alcohol, nothing anyone can ever do can stop them. Wasting the finite resources of the people on these losers is just that... a waste. And the cost in civil liberties is inexcusable.

You may not care with your "who really cares?" attitude but I'm sure there are some here
who do care about what drugs and alcohol is doing to our society.

But nice deflection of the question anyway. I only expected more of you 🙁

Their illegal status is to blame for a lot more of the harm to others associated with them than their use. Illegality is what keeps prices up, encouraging crime in some cases to get more, and encourages the involvement of organized crime. Assuming drugs were as bad as you think, would you say it's better for someone to hurt themselves, or to hurt others and themselves?

Personally I'd like to see decriminalization of marijuana and a focus on helping hard-drug addicts rather than jailing them. Rehab is less expensive than jail and could come partially out of pocket and/or partially be paid by community service. Take a step back for a moment and consider how ridiculous it really is to consider someone who harms themself a criminal.

If they were sitting in a glass bubble doing it only to themselves that would be fine with me.

But they aren't alone in a glass bubble. They live around you and me and our families and our
friends.

Do you think that people with drug problems only hurt themselves?

I haven't looked it up but I'm sure some government agency has data on the economic
costs of drug related crimes and what about the non economic costs associated with
drugs?

Anyway you have said that this is hijacking the thread and I apologize for my part in it
but it wasn't intentional in the least.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
What the officer did was correct. Hell, you can figure that out just by watching World's Wildest Police Chases... Most of them end with the officer steering his squad car's front bumper into the fleeing vehicles rear so they spin out. Now if he did this while there were other cars around, and the fleeing car hit an innocent bystanding car, then the officer would be in the wrong. It's the girl's fault for going at such a dangerous speed. When speeding, death is a risk. She took that risk, and things didnt work out for her. It's sad, but she shouldnt have taken off in the first place.

Notwithstanding the questionable judgement on the part of the cop that ended up with a girl getting deaded for making a stupid decision ..

You seem to be missing the fact that a 17 year old boy in the passenger seat was killed as well.

Is killing all the occupants in a vehicle SOP when there is a carjacking?

The cop who did this is a bonehead, and should be punished. If investigation determines the deaths were accidental due to his miscalculation of the situation, he needs to be stripped, fined, and sent to the hole for a couple years. If it is determined that he was deliberately using excessive force, he needs to be strung up by his testicles.

I don't care if they get paid dirt and treated it too. Cops applied for their jobs and the responsibilities that come with power. If they can't handle it, they need to be treated like any other scumbag.

No way, fully disagree. The idiot driver is to blame, not the cop. In a perfect world innocents (though I doubt the passenger was anything close to innocent) would never suffer, but it's not a perfect world. The driver is to blame for his death. And had the cop not done what he did, there may well have been more deaths.

 

[Eli]

jyates, are you like... completely blind, or are you drunk right now or something?

Your argument makes absolutely no sense. To say that alcohol is not "the same substance" as drugs is absolutely idiotic. It IS "the same substance" as drugs, it is a drug.

Prohibition is a PERFECT example of what happens(and what has and is happening) when you make something like mind altering substances against the law.

It clearly does not keep the substance out of peoples hands. It didn't with alcohol, and it doesen't with illegal drugs.

The only thing it does is make it easier for criminals to make money. The underground black market drives prices up. It makes it worth it for people to make drugs of questionable quality in their kitchens.

Clearly, You cannot stop people from doing drugs. Clearly, it is not the governments right to tell us what we can and cannot do with our bodies.

You have to remember that drugs did not used to be illegal. It is not a universal law, and it absolutely cannot be compared to speeding, which endangers others' lives.

Who are you to say that I cannot do drugs? What if I told you that you cannot drink alcohol anymore? How would that make you feel?

Wake up.

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: jyates
That's about like the joke of legalizing drugs so people will stop using them and
all of society's problems will go away magically.

The cops don't have a born right to drive over the legal speed limit unless they
are in pursuit or on a emergency call. They may do it and if they cause an accident
then it should be on their heads. We had a dummy state trooper who hurt 2 people
very badly on an interstate wreck because of his ignorance and the state just paid
out some very big money to them.

My thoughts are if you run from the law then they have the right to pursue you and
if anyone gets hurt during the pursuit it goes on YOUR record and YOU bear any
and all burden of what happens for YOUR ignorance.

:roll:

No one is talking about "magically" getting rid of the problems caused by drugs, but the problems caused by the black market in illegal drugs. Think alcohol during and after Prohibition. We don't have bootleggers and Al Capone-like characters profiting heavily in illegal alcohol anymore do we? No, legalization and regulation of alcohol manufacture and distribution made the alcohol safer for the consumers were going to drink it anyway and took the illicit profict and violence out of the trade, and in addition re-opened a very large revenue stream to the government. It is very safe to assume that same thing would happen with drug legalization and regulation. Thank YOU for YOUR astounding ignorance.

And blame and people's "records" are meaningless when innocents are already dead. The idea of limited chases is to lower the body count, not let people get away. With radios and helicopters, the cops are going to get them anyway, so why put innocents at stake?

Back on topic, I only feel bad for the passenger who (for all we know) may have just wanted out of the car. The driver was just plain stupid.

Stupidity kills both the guilty and the innocent and you just keep on smoking whatever you
are smoking to believe that drug legalization and regulation is going to cure the scourge of
drugs in our society. Even MM couldn't sell that bill of goods in one of his movies.

OK, I am sorry, but are you just completely fscking retarded or what?

So do you believe that drugs being illegal is the solution?

Wake up. Clearly, it is not.

Originally posted by: jyates


And you cannot regulate a substance like drugs either. Surely that can't be difficult to understand?
Alcohol and drugs are not the same substance for you people who want to talk about
prohibtion in the 1920's and 1930's. And the gangsters weren't just peddling alcohol either
if you think about it.

What I find deplorable (other than drugs) is an Elite member like yourself who
trys to shout down others because they don't "get in line" with what you espouse,
which is a bunch of BS that can be argued or debated for an indefinte period of time.

You talk about independent thought? What completely fresh thoughts that have never
been thought or voiced in the history of the world do you have to lay claim to?

hahahahahahahaha

What a fscking CROCK OF SH!T.

Alcohol and drugs are not the same substance?

hahahahahahahaha....

So.. if alcohol isn't a drug, what is it?

Seriously, you can't be this stupid.

Why don't you try to post something half way intelligent there Eli.?

When your mind gets out of that haze it's in come back and
try to post something that even resembles a sensible post.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: jyates
If they were sitting in a glass bubble doing it only to themselves that would be fine with me.

But they aren't alone in a glass bubble. They live around you and me and our families and our
friends.

Do you think that people with drug problems only hurt themselves?

I haven't looked it up but I'm sure some government agency has data on the economic
costs of drug related crimes and what about the non economic costs associated with
drugs?

Anyway you have said that this is hijacking the thread and I apologize for my part in it
but it wasn't intentional in the least.

Not everyone (not even close, actually) who uses drugs abuses drugs.

Those who don't should not be "protected" by the government, at the very least in the case of marijuana. They're not affecting others in any way.

While those who do may in some ways adversely affect those around them, it's the lesser of two evils compared to how much the illegal status of drugs adversely affects others. The economic costs of drug-related crimes are what they are because drug prices are as high as they are - which in turn is of course due to their illegal status 😉

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: jyates
If they were sitting in a glass bubble doing it only to themselves that would be fine with me.

But they aren't alone in a glass bubble. They live around you and me and our families and our
friends.

Do you think that people with drug problems only hurt themselves?

I haven't looked it up but I'm sure some government agency has data on the economic
costs of drug related crimes and what about the non economic costs associated with
drugs?

Anyway you have said that this is hijacking the thread and I apologize for my part in it
but it wasn't intentional in the least.

Uh...... Hello?

So, how am I hurting anybody around me by relaxing to a bowl after work?

How are you hurting anybody around you by relaxing to a beer after work?

Seriously, you need to wake the fsck up.

I am sure there is some government agency that has data on the economic costs of alcohol related crimes, and what about the non-economic costs associated with alcohol?

Don't you get it? If the drugs weren't illegal, drug related crime would plummet, because 1) the costs of drugs would go down, enabling users to get them without commiting crimes, 2) the worth of drugs would go down, quite simply making it not worth it for drug dealers to peddle their wares.

This isn't rocket science. As Gurck has said, we only need to look as far as The Netherlands to see what completely legalized drug use does. It absolutely DOES NOT increase drug use.

The key to drug use prevention is education. You cannot stop people from doing drugs. Period. It is quite obviously futile.

You have to create generations that don't want to do drugs. That is the only solution. As Vic has mentioned, you absolutely cannot control an illegal black market.

Instead of spending billions of dollars fighting a war against people who are much less prone to becomming violent than alcohol abusers, we could be making hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. The tax money could go towards education and treatment.

It's quite simply fscking stupidity.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: jyates

Why don't you try to post something half way intelligent there Eli.?

When your mind gets out of that haze it's in come back and
try to post something that even resembles a sensible post.

I appologize for the lack of intelligence in my post, your viewpoint simply caught me offguard.

Actually, I should be the one telling you to post something half way intelligent. Saying that alcohol isn't the same as drugs is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have read here all week.

Now, Answer my questions.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: jyates
You may not care with your "who really cares?" attitude but I'm sure there are some here
who do care about what drugs and alcohol is doing to our society.

But nice deflection of the question anyway. I only expected more of you 🙁

1. Not everyone who uses drugs, abuses drugs, therefore not all of them need "help". Winston Churchill was a cocaine abuser and OMG look how he turned out.

2. Prison time and a felony rap sheet is not "help". The current method of drug prohibition ruins users' lives, not helps them.

3. You can only help those who desire your help. Those who do not want your help will fight you and hate you for trying, simple human nature there.

4. The cost is simply too high, both financially and to the civil liberties, and all of that cost is burdened upon non-users.

5. "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time" - Albert Einstein. By believing that the same approach will somehow miraculously work, despite long failure, only proves that you drug warriors are insane. We need to try a different way and, as I have repeatedly pointed out, alcohol is also a dangerous drug that was once prohibited, and the programs to legalize and regulate it have proven quite effective over the test of 70 years.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: jyates
You may not care with your "who really cares?" attitude but I'm sure there are some here
who do care about what drugs and alcohol is doing to our society.

But nice deflection of the question anyway. I only expected more of you 🙁

1. Not everyone who uses drugs, abuses drugs, therefore not all of them need "help". Winston Churchill was a cocaine abuser and OMG look how he turned out.

2. Prison time and a felony rap sheet is not "help". The current method of drug prohibition ruins users' lives, not helps them.

3. You can only help those who desire your help. Those who do not want your help will fight you and hate you for trying, simple human nature there.

4. The cost is simply too high, both financially and to the civil liberties, and all of that cost is burdened upon non-users.

5. "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time" - Albert Einstein. By believing that the same approach will somehow miraculously work, despite long failure, only proves that you drug warriors are insane. We need to try a different way and, as I have repeatedly pointed out, alcohol is also a dangerous drug that was once prohibited, and the programs to legalize and regulate it have proven quite effective over the test of 70 years.

It's amazing that someone can have it so backwards! :Q

At least he was a little consistant. He grouped "drugs and alcohol" together. If you're going to agree with the prohibition of drugs, you must include alcohol with that list.

Here's the problem though: Drugs and alcohol aren't "doing" anything to our society. Our society is "doing" it to itself.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? People use drugs. Drugs don't use people. If someone is prone to becomming an addict, that is not the drugs' fault. You have to ask yourself, "Why does this person want to remain in an altered state of conciousness 24/7?"

I like that Einstein quote, and it is especially fitting here. We should've learned our lesson with alcohol prohibition, but we did not.

 

[DrPizza]

You'd think that within 66 miles of I-95, they'd have found someplace to take the Pathfinder off-road, pop it into 4WD, and laugh as the police cars get stuck attempting to follow them.
Then, they just get caught by the helicopter instead.