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Dang. Dugard gets $20M from Cali.

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Don Vito Corleone said:
I can understand your frustration, but at the end of the day the parole officers completely screwed the pooch here. Had they conducted any kind of reasonable investigation they would have found her. Their backstop is the general fund, and so the State had to pay. I'm not offended by that, nor by the amount (though, as I said above, I'm a little surprised the State agreed to pay so much, so quickly).
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they didnt even have to "find" her. she was working as an adult for years in his copy store i believe. she chose not to tell people who she was. i think she even denied being jc when they first found her. she was probably a runaway originally who chose to live with him.

she wasnt murdered or mulilated. there are people who suffer much greater harm at the hands of parolees that get little or nothing
 
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OBLAMA2009 said:
they didnt even have to "find" her. she was working as an adult for years in his copy store i believe. she chose not to tell people who she was. i think she even denied being jc when they first found her. she was probably a runaway originally who chose to live with him.

she wasnt murdered or mulilated. there are people who suffer much greater harm at the hands of parolees that get little or nothing
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Yes, I'm sure it was all her fault. 🙄

Why not do a bit of research first, before you start putting the blame on an eleven year old girl, hmmm?? Start with Stockholm syndrome. Then realize that Philip Garrido is a manipulative son of a bitch, who basically brain washed a little girl over the period of 17+ years, and fathered two children with her, at least one of them while she was underage. Furthermore, he was a convicted sex offender, and shouldn't have had any contact with her. That's why they had parole officers checking on him.

I want you to spend 30 seconds considering how you would feel if your 11 year old daughter disappeared one day, and you found out 17 years later that she was still alive, but had been kidnapped and raped by a convicted sex offender. Jaycee Dugard was violated in ways we can only imagine, and a good part of the reason that it continued to happen is because none of the parole officers would get off their ass and go do a walk-around of his residence. He effectively hid this girl in plain site for many years, due to the negligence of other people.

She deserves every penny of this settlement. In fact, I believe they ought to let that freak Garrido sell his story, and then make him give her all that money too. And THEN they should let her kick him in the balls until he screams and begs for mercy, just before they stick his ass in prison, general population. The other convicts will make him wish he'd never been born. 😡
 
marvdmartian said:
Yes, I'm sure it was all her fault. 🙄

Why not do a bit of research first, before you start putting the blame on an eleven year old girl, hmmm?? Start with Stockholm syndrome. Then realize that Philip Garrido is a manipulative son of a bitch, who basically brain washed a little girl over the period of 17+ years, and fathered two children with her, at least one of them while she was underage. Furthermore, he was a convicted sex offender, and shouldn't have had any contact with her. That's why they had parole officers checking on him.

I want you to spend 30 seconds considering how you would feel if your 11 year old daughter disappeared one day, and you found out 17 years later that she was still alive, but had been kidnapped and raped by a convicted sex offender. Jaycee Dugard was violated in ways we can only imagine, and a good part of the reason that it continued to happen is because none of the parole officers would get off their ass and go do a walk-around of his residence. He effectively hid this girl in plain site for many years, due to the negligence of other people.

She deserves every penny of this settlement. In fact, I believe they ought to let that freak Garrido sell his story, and then make him give her all that money too. And THEN they should let her kick him in the balls until he screams and begs for mercy, just before they stick his ass in prison, general population. The other convicts will make him wish he'd never been born. 😡
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youre making my point. arnold schwartzaneggar didnt kidnap and rape her, garrido did. if you want to pay her 20 mil because you feel sorry for her, go ahead, id rather keep my money
 
20 million is a bit excessive. 5 million tax free should set her right for life. this is tax money after all, and the state is pretty f***ed at this point, arnolds tried to put state workers on min wage temporarily while the budget is still being held up after all.
 
OBLAMA2009 said:
youre making my point. arnold schwartzaneggar didnt kidnap and rape her, garrido did. if you want to pay her 20 mil because you feel sorry for her, go ahead, id rather keep my money
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The state was NEGLIGENT in their duty, and that's why they're paying.
It's not a matter of feeling sorry for her. 🙄
 
marvdmartian said:
The state was NEGLIGENT in their duty, and that's why they're paying.
It's not a matter of feeling sorry for her. 🙄
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i dont agree, the state isnt negligent just because they failed to solve a crime. they paid out because they were afraid of some idiot jury in ca. feeling sorry for her because they read about her in people magazine and giving her 100 million. what pisses me off even more is that the majority of that money is going to go to her lawyers
 
Very good interview with Jaycee tonight on ABC tonight.

She seems like an amazingly down to earth woman, considering the horrific circumstances of her life of abuse.
 
Incompetence by the police officer that went to the house after getting complaints that there were children living in the backyard, the officer never went out back nor ask to see the children.

And complete incompetence by the parole officers who visited the house 60 times. Then the jokers took credit for the discovering her when they didn't.

For the hell she went thru, $20 million isn't enough.
 
Capt Caveman said:
Incompetence by the police officer that went to the house after getting complaints that there were children living in the backyard, the officer never went out back nor ask to see the children.

And complete incompetence by the parole officers who visited the house 60 times. Then the jokers took credit for the discovering her when they didn't.

For the hell she went thru, $20 million isn't enough.
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That's your California and Federal government standard operating procedure. No one pays, except for innocents, and the tax paying public.
 
0roo0roo said:
20 million is a bit excessive. 5 million tax free should set her right for life. this is tax money after all, and the state is pretty f***ed at this point, arnolds tried to put state workers on min wage temporarily while the budget is still being held up after all.
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how funny you say this, as someone already posted this but here I'll do it again:
It is compensation for three people for the rest of their lives
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20/3 = 6.67m

not much more than you say she should have gotten.
 
I don't like it.

Not so much because of the specifics of the case, but more because I don't like the idea that the government is legally required to save you from the actions of others, which I think sets an unfortunate precedent.

The state should do its best to catch predators like this, and it should provide help to the victims afterwards, but I don't think it should have to pay for not catching the predator fast enough.
 
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khon said:
The state should do its best to catch predators like this, and it should provide help to the victims afterwards, but I don't think it should have to pay for not catching the predator fast enough.
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And there is the problem....the state did NOT do its best to catch the predator. I'd go as far as saying the state just ignored the problem.

Come on, 60 visits to the house with "searches" of the property and no one noticed the tents in the back of the property? The concentration of his GPS tracking ankle device had clusters of visits to the tent compound in the back yard and no one wanted to see what he was doing out there? A deputy sheriff gets a call about kids living in the back yard, yet after he gets there to "investigate", he never bothers to get further onto the property than the front porch? That's trying to solve anything?

The state, through the inactions of its various representatives (parole, police, etc.), are fairly culpable of being negligent in their duties. $20M culpable? In CA, probably, given what I've seen come out of there before in monetary decisions.

But there is no doubt the state completely dropped the ball in this.
 
khon said:
I don't like it.

Not so much because of the specifics of the case, but more because I don't like the idea that the government is legally required to save you from the actions of others, which I think sets an unfortunate precedent.

The state should do its best to catch predators like this, and it should provide help to the victims afterwards, but I don't think it should have to pay for not catching the predator fast enough.
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I agree, but I still am glad she got a ton of money.
Our tax dollars are not a 100% insurance policy on our safety.

This case is extreme though, because of the 60 visits, ankle bracelet monitoring and they didn't check all of the crazy shacks in the back yard, at each visit.
 
xanis said:
I understand that the parole agents in CA (like most everywhere else) must be horribly overworked and underpaid, but something like this is a HUGE oversight, and honestly, "our bad" just wouldn't cut it here. The settlement seems reasonable IMO.
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Just to be a little bit fair, Garrido had his property configured in such a way that it appeared the sheds in which Duggard was being held were on someone else's property, not his own.
 
Drako said:
Very good interview with Jaycee tonight on ABC tonight. She seems like an amazingly down to earth woman, considering the horrific circumstances of her life of abuse.
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I got choked up a few times watching that, thinking to myself "Good grief this girl is made of tougher stuff than I'll ever be."
 
tcsenter said:
I got choked up a few times watching that, thinking to myself "Good grief this girl is made of tougher stuff than I'll ever be."
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That is pretty much my take on it. The fact that she can love and raise those kids despite the circumstances she had them under is amazing in itself.
 
old thread, but regarding the $20m, california has about 37m people, I think it's worth ~$0.50 a person one time.
 
What's a basis for determining reasonable compensation for something like this?

The amount of money she would have made if she had a good job during the years she was captive that the state is directly responsible for gets her back to the present financially. The amount of money it would cost for counseling for the rest of her life gets her back mentally as best as possible. Add the first amount again for the simple life-time she lost due to state employee negligence. We're talking 4 million for the first and last amounts + 4 more million for counseling (at a very posh clinic) + maybe another two million just to round it up to 10 million.

So I can easily make a case for 10 million in my head and I can see a jury placing much more weight on certain things than I do. Perhaps 20 million isn't crazy after all.
 
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