Damn you Harley-Davidson!

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: DVad3r
The Night Rod Special is awesome, I'm actually debating about picking one of these up soon, the only thing throwing me off is the drag style handle bars which make you sit in a "C" shape. I can't seem to find any good pull back bars anywhere online that I could mod it with if I did get one.

You're looking for "reduced reach" bars, or you can use the bars off of a D (night rod) which pull back further. If you want the finest bars made, look at Rizoma, huge money, but very nice parts.
If you're really serious about a V-Rod, check out 1130cc.com, you'll find the answer to any V-rod question you might have. It's a V-Rod only forum, with a lot of very helpful members.
Or you could take my advice and just go buy the DX (night rod special) you want. There is nothing like a V-Rod, without doubt the finest bike Harley has ever built. Incredible looks, plenty of power, and a bullet proof motor. You'll never stop grinning, I've had my V-Rod for 6 or 8 months now, and I still go out to the garage just to look at it.

 

[angry hampster]

Now's a better time than ever to buy a motorcycle. The incentives are absolutely amazing. Boy would I love a new Harley, but there's no way I'm getting rid of my old ironhead sportster.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DVad3r

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DVad3r
Yup, the promotion owns, I wish I lived in the US to get it. If you don't take advantage of that you're crazy! And the Nightster is an awesome looking bike / pretty descent performer too!

I'm not taking advantage of it.

<--Have zero desire to own a Harley.

Sounds like we have a hater on our hands here 🙂

Don't be scared away by the AMF days 🙂

I'm not a hater. I just don't like Harleys, they are too heavy and don't handle all that well nor do they have great brakes. I prefer a lighter more nimble handling motorcycle like the one I have now.

My next bike will be either a Triumph Street or Speed Triple or a 2009 Ducati Monster 1100.

I'd argue with "don't have great breaks" part. The Brembos on the V-Rods will stop them just about as fast as a sport bike.

 

[DVad3r]

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: DVad3r
The Night Rod Special is awesome, I'm actually debating about picking one of these up soon, the only thing throwing me off is the drag style handle bars which make you sit in a "C" shape. I can't seem to find any good pull back bars anywhere online that I could mod it with if I did get one.

You're looking for "reduced reach" bars, or you can use the bars off of a D (night rod) which pull back further. If you want the finest bars made, look at Rizoma, huge money, but very nice parts.
If you're really serious about a V-Rod, check out 1130cc.com, you'll find the answer to any V-rod question you might have. It's a V-Rod only forum, with a lot of very helpful members.
Or you could take my advice and just go buy the DX (night rod special) you want. There is nothing like a V-Rod, without doubt the finest bike Harley has ever built. Incredible looks, plenty of power, and a bullet proof motor. You'll never stop grinning, I've had my V-Rod for 6 or 8 months now, and I still go out to the garage just to look at it.

Yup, I've been considering one for quite some time now. How is the valve adjustment maintenance on it? I heard it's pretty annoying having to be done every 10 k miles and pretty costly?

I've seen the Rizoma page too, do those bars have good reach? I'm not that small by any means (6 foot) but I am pretty bulky and would like to lean back a bit more, I feel a bit hunched over.

And ya the engine is bullet proof from what I've read around, Porsche/Harley did a great job. I love how the thing sounds, even idling, and some of the exhausts they have for it are amazing (like the Jekyll and Hyde although that shit is pricey).

 

[DVad3r]

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DVad3r

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DVad3r
Yup, the promotion owns, I wish I lived in the US to get it. If you don't take advantage of that you're crazy! And the Nightster is an awesome looking bike / pretty descent performer too!

I'm not taking advantage of it.

<--Have zero desire to own a Harley.

Sounds like we have a hater on our hands here 🙂

Don't be scared away by the AMF days 🙂

I'm not a hater. I just don't like Harleys, they are too heavy and don't handle all that well nor do they have great brakes. I prefer a lighter more nimble handling motorcycle like the one I have now.

My next bike will be either a Triumph Street or Speed Triple or a 2009 Ducati Monster 1100.

I'd argue with "don't have great breaks" part. The Brembos on the V-Rods will stop them just about as fast as a sport bike.

Yup the V-Rod has amazing Brembos, made in Italy.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: DVad3r

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: DVad3r
The Night Rod Special is awesome, I'm actually debating about picking one of these up soon, the only thing throwing me off is the drag style handle bars which make you sit in a "C" shape. I can't seem to find any good pull back bars anywhere online that I could mod it with if I did get one.

You're looking for "reduced reach" bars, or you can use the bars off of a D (night rod) which pull back further. If you want the finest bars made, look at Rizoma, huge money, but very nice parts.
If you're really serious about a V-Rod, check out 1130cc.com, you'll find the answer to any V-rod question you might have. It's a V-Rod only forum, with a lot of very helpful members.
Or you could take my advice and just go buy the DX (night rod special) you want. There is nothing like a V-Rod, without doubt the finest bike Harley has ever built. Incredible looks, plenty of power, and a bullet proof motor. You'll never stop grinning, I've had my V-Rod for 6 or 8 months now, and I still go out to the garage just to look at it.

Yup, I've been considering one for quite some time now. How is the valve adjustment maintenance on it? I heard it's pretty annoying having to be done every 10 k miles and pretty costly?

I've seen the Rizoma page too, do those bars have good reach? I'm not that small by any means (6 foot) but I am pretty bulky and would like to lean back a bit more, I feel a bit hunched over.

And ya the engine is bullet proof from what I've read around, Porsche/Harley did a great job. I love how the thing sounds, even idling, and some of the exhausts they have for it are amazing (like the Jekyll and Hyde although that shit is pricey).

Harley upped the valve adjustment interval to 15k on all V-Rods. It's not all that hard to do if your handy, I don't know what the dealer charges.

I really think the bars off of a D would be just what you want. I'm very comfortable with them and I'm only 5'9", at 6', you should be able to lean back a bit if you want.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DVad3r

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DVad3r
Yup, the promotion owns, I wish I lived in the US to get it. If you don't take advantage of that you're crazy! And the Nightster is an awesome looking bike / pretty descent performer too!

I'm not taking advantage of it.

<--Have zero desire to own a Harley.

Sounds like we have a hater on our hands here 🙂

Don't be scared away by the AMF days 🙂

I'm not a hater. I just don't like Harleys, they are too heavy and don't handle all that well nor do they have great brakes. I prefer a lighter more nimble handling motorcycle like the one I have now.

My next bike will be either a Triumph Street or Speed Triple or a 2009 Ducati Monster 1100.

I'd argue with "don't have great breaks" part. The Brembos on the V-Rods will stop them just about as fast as a sport bike.

Why did you quote me AND then misspell what I wrote? 😕

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
I'd rather be around Harley folks than annoying crotch-rocket douchebags

<doesn't even ride.

Then how would you know anything about the latter? I don't hang around with "annoying crotch-rocket douchebags" either (and there are some out there I'm sure).

I ride with a few different guys who ride the following bikes:

2008 Ducati GT1000 Classic Sport
2007 Honda VTX1800 (he also has a '74 Honda CB750 SS)
2007 Kawasaki Ninja ZX10
2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200

Rode with another guy yesterday who has 3 bikes. One is a Honda race bike, a Ducati Monster 750 and an MV Agusta Brutale 900.

None of them are "annoying crotch-rocket douchebags." 😛

BTW-There are two guys who live on my street who ride Harleys. Both of them are good guys and good neighbors who I wouldn't mind riding with.

I just know what I want in a motorcycle and it isn't a Harley. Don't assume you know anything about me just because of the bike I ride (which isn't a crotch rocket BTW). 😉

EVERY single person I have encountered on a crotch rocket (in the dozens) has been a complete tool, incosiderate of others or juvenile. I have multiple friends with Harleys/Hondas, etc, and have met dozens of that crowd, and find them overall to be a much more mature crowd, aside from age.

And that's rich coming from the guy who bashes anyone who drives an SUV or truck at every turn.

:roll:

 

[Deviant Grasshopper]

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DVad3r

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DVad3r
Yup, the promotion owns, I wish I lived in the US to get it. If you don't take advantage of that you're crazy! And the Nightster is an awesome looking bike / pretty descent performer too!

I'm not taking advantage of it.

<--Have zero desire to own a Harley.

Sounds like we have a hater on our hands here 🙂

Don't be scared away by the AMF days 🙂

I'm not a hater. I just don't like Harleys, they are too heavy and don't handle all that well nor do they have great brakes. I prefer a lighter more nimble handling motorcycle like the one I have now.

My next bike will be either a Triumph Street or Speed Triple or a 2009 Ducati Monster 1100.

I'd argue with "don't have great breaks" part. The Brembos on the V-Rods will stop them just about as fast as a sport bike.

rofl...



This thread reeks with misinformation.

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: Deviant Grasshopper


rofl...



This thread reeks with misinformation.

IIRC, the V-Rod will stop 60-0 in less than 110 feet. I can't find statistics for any of the major sport bikes, but I'd like for you to show something that stops significantly shorter than that.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: Deviant Grasshopper

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DVad3r

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DVad3r
Yup, the promotion owns, I wish I lived in the US to get it. If you don't take advantage of that you're crazy! And the Nightster is an awesome looking bike / pretty descent performer too!

I'm not taking advantage of it.

<--Have zero desire to own a Harley.

Sounds like we have a hater on our hands here 🙂

Don't be scared away by the AMF days 🙂

I'm not a hater. I just don't like Harleys, they are too heavy and don't handle all that well nor do they have great brakes. I prefer a lighter more nimble handling motorcycle like the one I have now.

My next bike will be either a Triumph Street or Speed Triple or a 2009 Ducati Monster 1100.

I'd argue with "don't have great breaks" part. The Brembos on the V-Rods will stop them just about as fast as a sport bike.

rofl...



This thread reeks with misinformation.

What misinformation? Are you trying to say the Brembo brakes on the V-Rod don't work that well? I can find 60 to 0 times if you're really interested, but if you just stopped in to have a good sneer then I won't bother.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: Deviant Grasshopper

rofl...

This thread reeks with misinformation.

IIRC, the V-Rod will stop 60-0 in less than 110 feet. I can't find statistics for any of the major sport bikes, but I'd like for you to show something that stops significantly shorter than that.

I did some searching earlier and found this to be accurate. 109.5' was the best I saw.

I think the best stopping distance recorded for a production bike with street tires by a reputable bike mag was around 106' and it was a Triumph Speed Triple. Of course, stopping distances are largely dependent on rider ability, tires, and a number of other factors. Honestly, I've heard more misinformation out of the Harley crowd about bikes than any other group of motorcycle enthusiasts I've ever talked to. Stupid shit like, "if you use the front brake you'll go flying over the handlebars."

BTW-It is easy to make a bike fast in a straight line and make it stop reasonably well. It is another thing entirely to make it do those two things and handle well. No production Harley will out handle a Japanese sport bike...or an Italian sport bike...or a British sport bike. Of course, they weren't made for that.

Just sayin' 😀

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: Deviant Grasshopper

rofl...

This thread reeks with misinformation.

IIRC, the V-Rod will stop 60-0 in less than 110 feet. I can't find statistics for any of the major sport bikes, but I'd like for you to show something that stops significantly shorter than that.

I did some searching earlier and found this to be accurate. 109.5' was the best I saw.

I think the best stopping distance recorded for a production bike with street tires by a reputable bike mag was around 106' and it was a Triumph Speed Triple. Of course, stopping distances are largely dependent on rider ability, tires, and a number of other factors. Honestly, I've heard more misinformation out of the Harley crowd about bikes than any other group of motorcycle enthusiasts I've ever talked to. Stupid shit like, "if you use the front brake you'll go flying over the handlebars."

BTW-It is easy to make a bike fast in a straight line and make it stop reasonably well. It is another thing entirely to make it do those two things and handle well. No production Harley will out handle a Japanese sport bike...or an Italian sport bike...or a British sport bike.

Just sayin' 😀

Why on earth would you compare a Harley to a sports bike?
Being bright enough to walk and chew gum while only missing an occasional step, I never expected my V-Rod to tear up the turns. What I did expect was a very well made cruiser that was fantastic looking, fast, and capable of maintaining the posted limit through a turn. I got all that, plus the surprise of it being reasonably nimble for a bike that tips the scales at near seven hundred pounds.
While it's obviously not your cup of tea, the V-Rod was the perfect bike for me.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, I've heard more misinformation out of the Harley crowd about bikes than any other group of motorcycle enthusiasts I've ever talked to. Stupid shit like, "if you use the front brake you'll go flying over the handlebars."

I haven't heard that since I was riding 10-speeds.

Every group has its idiots, sometimes they are even people who ought to be better informed (you wouldn't believe some of the ridiculous stuff I've heard about cars from people who work in the friggin' assembly plants). We just tend to remember the idiots more if they are in groups to which we don't personally belong.

ZV

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
BTW-It is easy to make a bike fast in a straight line and make it stop reasonably well. It is another thing entirely to make it do those two things and handle well. No production Harley will out handle a Japanese sport bike...or an Italian sport bike...or a British sport bike. Of course, they weren't made for that.

Just sayin' 😀

I'm not a huge Harley fan, myself, but claiming that they suck because they don't out-handle sport bikes is pretty dumb. They make cruisers! The closest that you can come to an "apples to apples" comparison is Buell vs. the Japanese. (Yes, I read your disclaimer, but then why do you mention sport bikes at all?)

I'll poke fun at the underpowered, oversized paint-shaker of an engine that powers them and the bad-boy dentists who ride them, but criticizing their reliability is passe, criticizing their handling doesn't make sense, and criticizing their style is possibly un-American.:laugh:

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, I've heard more misinformation out of the Harley crowd about bikes than any other group of motorcycle enthusiasts I've ever talked to. Stupid shit like, "if you use the front brake you'll go flying over the handlebars."

I haven't heard that since I was riding 10-speeds.

Every group has its idiots, sometimes they are even people who ought to be better informed (you wouldn't believe some of the ridiculous stuff I've heard about cars from people who work in the friggin' assembly plants). We just tend to remember the idiots more if they are in groups to which we don't personally belong.

ZV

Generally the idiots arise from people buying an image, not a motorcycle.

As such, the "idiotic statements" you hear tend to be along very stereotyped lines...Harley riders who were buying the image will laugh at anything which isn't noisy, covered in chrome and leather, and shaking violently, whereas sport bike riders who wanted the image will sneer at anything which doesn't have an uncomfortably aggressive seating position, a 3x HP-to-IQ ratio, and the ability to do one-finger stoppies. Pretty much everyone who rides seriously will start molding their bike around their riding, not vice-versa.

There are dirt bike posers, too, but since part of their image involves avoiding the pavement, they're about as common on the road as Mac users in a Denny's.

That said, part of the fun of motorcycling is that we tend to be a pretty thick-skinned crowd, and a bit of poo-flinging is to be expected.

 

[Greenman]

It occurs to me that some of you don't realize that there are two different types of Harley on the market. There are the traditional air cooled V twins that do indeed do tend to vibrate a bit, nor do they produce a great deal of horse power. The V-Rod line is a completely different design. They use a reasonably modern, liquid cooled short stroke V twin that produces 125 horse power, and redlines at 9k rpm's. Not huge when compared to the inline 4's, but respectable, and the torque curve is considerably flatter than an inline 4.

There is a company that uses the V-Rod motor (called the Revolution) in a sports bike, I have no idea how it performs, but at 50k each I would hope it does well.

 

[DVad3r]

Originally posted by: Greenman
It occurs to me that some of you don't realize that there are two different types of Harley on the market. There are the traditional air cooled V twins that do indeed do tend to vibrate a bit, nor do they produce a great deal of horse power. The V-Rod line is a completely different design. They use a reasonably modern, liquid cooled short stroke V twin that produces 125 horse power, and redlines at 9k rpm's. Not huge when compared to the inline 4's, but respectable, and the torque curve is considerably flatter than an inline 4.

There is a company that uses the V-Rod motor (called the Revolution) in a sports bike, I have no idea how it performs, but at 50k each I would hope it does well.

I think it's Buell? Which is essentially Harley Davidson.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, I've heard more misinformation out of the Harley crowd about bikes than any other group of motorcycle enthusiasts I've ever talked to. Stupid shit like, "if you use the front brake you'll go flying over the handlebars."

I haven't heard that since I was riding 10-speeds.

Every group has its idiots, sometimes they are even people who ought to be better informed (you wouldn't believe some of the ridiculous stuff I've heard about cars from people who work in the friggin' assembly plants). We just tend to remember the idiots more if they are in groups to which we don't personally belong.

ZV

I joined a Harley forum years ago when I actually thought I wanted to buy one. I posted around on it for a few months and found the people generally helpful but some of them were downright stupid...and the avatars were just plain disturbing. I think some of them are the reason why Barack Obama is going to be riding around in a limo with 8" thick doors.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: DVad3r

Originally posted by: Greenman
It occurs to me that some of you don't realize that there are two different types of Harley on the market. There are the traditional air cooled V twins that do indeed do tend to vibrate a bit, nor do they produce a great deal of horse power. The V-Rod line is a completely different design. They use a reasonably modern, liquid cooled short stroke V twin that produces 125 horse power, and redlines at 9k rpm's. Not huge when compared to the inline 4's, but respectable, and the torque curve is considerably flatter than an inline 4.

There is a company that uses the V-Rod motor (called the Revolution) in a sports bike, I have no idea how it performs, but at 50k each I would hope it does well.

I think it's Buell? Which is essentially Harley Davidson.

I don't think Buell uses H-D motors in their motorcycles anymore.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, I've heard more misinformation out of the Harley crowd about bikes than any other group of motorcycle enthusiasts I've ever talked to. Stupid shit like, "if you use the front brake you'll go flying over the handlebars."

I haven't heard that since I was riding 10-speeds.

Every group has its idiots, sometimes they are even people who ought to be better informed (you wouldn't believe some of the ridiculous stuff I've heard about cars from people who work in the friggin' assembly plants). We just tend to remember the idiots more if they are in groups to which we don't personally belong.

ZV

I joined a Harley forum years ago when I actually thought I wanted to buy one. I posted around on it for a few months and found the people generally helpful but some of them were downright stupid...and the avatars were just plain disturbing. I think some of them are the reason why Barack Obama is going to be riding around in a limo with 8" thick doors.

True enough, but go on just about any sportbike forum and you'll see kids posting about how they went 150mph on the freeway or how they do stunts in traffic and so on and so forth. Every large group has its share of idiots.

As far as Buell goes, they have been a wholly-owned subsidiary of Harley-Davidson since 2003. Every single part on a Buell motorcycle is a Harley-Davidson part. The Blast uses a single-cylinder and the two new 1125 models use a new 72-degree liquid-cooled twin, but the majority of their models use air-cooled 45-degree twins based on Harley designs. Even the new 72-degree liquid-cooled engine is fully Buell-designed (and therefore fully Harley-designed since Harley owns 100% of Buell), though manufacturing is farmed out to Rotax.

ZV

 

[DVad3r]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DVad3r

Originally posted by: Greenman
It occurs to me that some of you don't realize that there are two different types of Harley on the market. There are the traditional air cooled V twins that do indeed do tend to vibrate a bit, nor do they produce a great deal of horse power. The V-Rod line is a completely different design. They use a reasonably modern, liquid cooled short stroke V twin that produces 125 horse power, and redlines at 9k rpm's. Not huge when compared to the inline 4's, but respectable, and the torque curve is considerably flatter than an inline 4.

There is a company that uses the V-Rod motor (called the Revolution) in a sports bike, I have no idea how it performs, but at 50k each I would hope it does well.

I think it's Buell? Which is essentially Harley Davidson.

I don't think Buell uses H-D motors in their motorcycles anymore.

Ya they do, the Thunder Storm engine is a sportster engine.
Not sure about the Helicon engine, it's liquid cooled so it might be a Revolution engine modded. I'm pretty sure I read in a recent magazine that Buell used and plans to use HD motors for their bikes. Eric Buell apperently built his own engine when the company started but it never took off, and he spent too much money/development for it, so from there on in he decided to just use something that's available.

 

[DVad3r]

And sure every share of bikers have their own set of idiots. I find that HD riders are generally more simple people, and if they are assholes etc it's plain ignorance or old school values, which in turn means being less politically correct, which is bad these days apperently?

😉

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, I've heard more misinformation out of the Harley crowd about bikes than any other group of motorcycle enthusiasts I've ever talked to. Stupid shit like, "if you use the front brake you'll go flying over the handlebars."

I haven't heard that since I was riding 10-speeds.

Every group has its idiots, sometimes they are even people who ought to be better informed (you wouldn't believe some of the ridiculous stuff I've heard about cars from people who work in the friggin' assembly plants). We just tend to remember the idiots more if they are in groups to which we don't personally belong.

ZV

I joined a Harley forum years ago when I actually thought I wanted to buy one. I posted around on it for a few months and found the people generally helpful but some of them were downright stupid...and the avatars were just plain disturbing. I think some of them are the reason why Barack Obama is going to be riding around in a limo with 8" thick doors.

True enough, but go on just about any sportbike forum and you'll see kids posting about how they went 150mph on the freeway or how they do stunts in traffic and so on and so forth. Every large group has its share of idiots.

As far as Buell goes, they have been a wholly-owned subsidiary of Harley-Davidson since 2003. Every single part on a Buell motorcycle is a Harley-Davidson part. The Blast uses a single-cylinder and the two new 1125 models use a new 72-degree liquid-cooled twin, but the majority of their models use air-cooled 45-degree twins based on Harley designs.
ZV

Every once in a while someone will post a thread like that on SVRiders.com but they get serious hell for it there. Most of the people there are pretty sane and don't stunt or do crazy shit.

Even the new 72-degree liquid-cooled engine is fully Buell-designed (and therefore fully Harley-designed since Harley owns 100% of Buell), though manufacturing is farmed out to Rotax.

This is what I was thinking of. I read this in Motorcyclist or one of those mags about 6 months ago. They had a big article on Eric Buell and his new sport bike. I know that Buell is owned by H-D but H-D did not design or make that engine. Buell operates as a separate company but answers to the H-D board of directors. Like you said, it's a Rotax engine. 😉

 

[joesmoke]

Originally posted by: jagec
There are dirt bike posers, too, but since part of their image involves avoiding the pavement, they're about as common on the road as Mac users in a Denny's.

Totally true, but the funny thing about this is if you go to a OHV area youll find the pavement/gravel roads are the only places theyll grab a handful...

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
only one problem: it's a harley 😛

the japanese own the bike market, IMO, whether it's for sport, touring, or both. i also don't like the image/culture associated with harleys.

They aren't for everyone and I agree that Honda especially has some incredibly good bikes out right now (even though I still haven't forgiven Honda for killing off the magnificent Valkyrie), but Honda's 52-degree vees with split crank pins just don't sound right to me. I just can't help but love the sound of those 45 degree Harley twins. And Harley has come a long way since the AMF days when they bikes would fall apart. The new bikes are fuel-injected and dead reliable.

As far as the culture, I understand the image, but in many road trips across the country I have to say that bikers on Harleys are among the most pleasant people to run into. I've always found them friendly and happy to spend a few minutes talking about their trip, etc. These days the guy on a Harley is far more likely to be a doctor or lawyer than a hoodlum.

ZV

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
^^ yeah my sister in law had to do a study on harley for one of her MBA classes. the most common harley owners include dentists and accountants 😛

you should ask about the leica in their saddlebags