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JoeBaD

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My 12 year old son goes to a well-rated suburban school in upostate NY.

Well he's having a little trouble in Social Studies. They're studying ancient Greek, Roman and Chinese history and there's a lot of memorization required. My son's mostly an A student but he's only pulling Bs in Social Studys so he (and my wife) have been working really hard on it. His teacher preceeds all tests with a quiz a week before. This last Thurs. he had a quiz and we've been asking him how he did and that we would like to go over it with him. Well, here its Tuesday night, the test is Thursday, and he hasn't gotten the quiz back. We ask our son and he tells us that his teacher told him not to ask about the quiz again or he wouldn't get it back until after the test.

That set my wife off. She calls the teacher and the teacher says that she has 3 children home and she isn't always able to get the quizes graded promptly. Also, that our son was the 5th child to ask her about the quiz and that she had had it with the questions.

Ain't that too bad for her!!!

My wife called the principal and he couldn't give a shait.

So guess what? I just left a message for the school district's Superintendent and I'm going to give her an earful.

Friggin' overpaid, underworked prima-donnas.

PS: my apologies to the good teachers out there.
 

fatalbert

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well I understand the teacher needing time to grade a quiz and it is understandable why she would be fed up with questions. However, she shouldn't threaten to not return the quiz until after the test that is wrong. but she should give it back before the test to allow them to study from their mistakes.
 

jpsj82

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<< Friggin' overpaid, underworked prima-donnas. >>

Last time I checked teachers do not fall under the catorgy of 'overpaid'.
 

JoeBaD

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The AVERAGE teacher in our school district gets $51k.

That's with summers off and every holiday known to mankind.

Not overpaid? I'll trade.
 

cjchaps

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<< Friggin' overpaid, underworked prima-donnas. >>

Last time I checked teachers do not fall under the catorgy of 'overpaid'.
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Jzero

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<< Friggin' overpaid, underworked prima-donnas. >>

Last time I checked teachers do not fall under the catorgy of 'overpaid'.
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Varies greatly depending on the district, but seeing as most teachers in my area earn about what I earn, except they have a 10-month year and I have a 12-month year, most of the teachers I know should never be complaining about being underpaid...even though they often are.
 

Hammer

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You kids gonna have a hard time in that class now. You should check to see if you could move him to another teacher's class. There will almost certainly be some sort of backlash from the teacher now.
 

cjchaps

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My mother is a teacher, and from the outside looking in it sounds like a good gig.... paid holiday's with summers off. Here is how it actually works(with good teachers at least). School is from 8:00 to 3:00 or something for the kids, so I would expect my mother to get back around 4:00 o'clock or so with the commute. In actuality she gets home usually between 7 and 9 because of all the extra stuff(tutoring, meetings practicaly everyday...), and then she has to grade homework on top of that. It seems like an easy job, and it may be for some teachers, but from personal experience, there is a very big commitment involved.

Why not just go over everything pertaining to the test with your son? It seems like in the long run that might benefit him more. And calling and complaining about this specific teachers sounds like a good way to get her pissed off at your son...




<< The AVERAGE teacher in our school district gets $51k.

That's with summers off and every holiday known to mankind.

Not overpaid? I'll trade.
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pyonir

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<< Hammer,

there better not be or that teacher will have me in her face.
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that would solve a lot and help the situation.
 

Jzero

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<< My mother is a teacher, and from the outside looking in it sounds like a good gig.... paid holiday's with summers off. Here is how it actually works(with good teachers at least). School is from 8:00 to 3:00 or something for the kids, so I would expect my mother to get back around 4:00 o'clock or so with the commute. In actuality she gets home usually between 7 and 9 because of all the extra stuff(tutoring, meetings practicaly everyday...), and then she has to grade homework on top of that. It seems like an easy job, and it may be for some teachers, but from personal experience, there is a very big commitment involved. >>


Any job that you care for deeply involves this kind of time commitment. I usually put in tons of extra time at work, too--I like what I'm doing and I'm willing to put in the extra time to see that things get done well.



<< there better not be or that teacher will have me in her face. >>


I've never seen a teacher that could handle a parent breathing down their back. I was always slow to play the "parent" card, but when I did, I found all my troubles cleared up rather quickly. I noticed that the parents who scream the loudest often seem to get the most.
 

JoeBaD

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<< Why not just go over everything pertaining to the test with your son? It seems like in the long run that might benefit him more.

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We are. But knowing what he missed on the quiz would be a big help. The quiz is supposed to be a learning tool not a grading tool.



<< And calling and complaining about this specific teachers sounds like a good way to get her pissed off at your son... >>




Yea, right. Just let her get away with it. If she can't do her job ie. teach my kids, she should find other employment.

 

Savij

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I don't know about you, but when i was in school, there was always one kid whose parents bitched about everything. Well being the understanding people that we school kids were, we gave him hell for it, and frequently too.

Just food for thought.
 

badluck

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Man, you seem to have your own issues. You are getting this bent outta shape over not getting back a quiz? I attend college and don't get ANY of my quizzes back for study purposes. I don't cry to the teacher and call their boss. The teacher can choose to run their class how they wish.......Maybe your kid should remember what was on the quiz and go home and study that material since it will most likely be on the test???? That is what I do on my quizzes.....

Let me ask you this......Why do you think the principal had the attitude that they don't give a s*it? Probably because they are sick of parents like you beatching about problems like this.

I hope you didn't piss off the wrong person, so your kid doesn't have to suffer for your stupidity......
 

azazyel

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<< I've never seen a teacher that could handle a parent breathing down their back. I was always slow to play the "parent" card, but when I did, I found all my troubles cleared up rather quickly. I noticed that the parents who scream the loudest often seem to get the most. >>



It always seems to work that way, unfortunately. "My kid doesn't know what plagiarism means!", remember that story? If the child has a test you should encourage him to learn the material covered in the class not just what will be on the test. There is more to being in school than just grades and you should try not to teach a child that is the not only thing you care about.
Also, memorization is one thing but teaching a child how to interpret the information in front of him is what is important. This should be emphasized in class but you need to encourage the child to ask questions about everything they see. Help them come up with their own ideas then challenge those ideas.
Did you even ask the teacher what material would be covered on the test?
 

Mister T

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This is why we need to empower parents with the CHOICE of taking their kids out of sh!tty public schools and placing them in private schools. School vouchers will increase the standards by which public school will have to live up to, to retain my tax dollars.
 

JoeBaD

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Yea badluck, I got issues. Issues with arseholes like you.

The kid's 12, not in college.

WTF is the sense in giving a quiz and not informing the student what he got wrong - not helping the parent know in what areas the student needs more help?



 

Jzero

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<< I attend college and don't get ANY of my quizzes back for study purposes. I don't cry to the teacher and call their boss. The teacher can choose to run their class how they wish.......Maybe your kid should remember what was on the quiz and go home and study that material since it will most likely be on the test???? That is what I do on my quizzes >>



Maybe you should complain about it. Especially at the collegiate level where you are actually PAYING for the (dis)service that your teachers provide. I'd say you're well within your rights to ask for feedback on how well you are doing. Teaching is not just flinging out knowledge and seeing what sticks, it's ensuring that everything DOES stick.

I used to go to a leadership seminar and the speaker will turn to someone in the front and ask their name and then suddenly throw something at them. Most of the time the drop it.
He then retrieves the item and makes it clear he's going to throw it to them.
They almost always catch it.

He says "THAT is how you teach someone."
 

rufruf44

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All this commotion because she didn't return the quizz in time? She might have valid emergency at her house, or having a rough day, everyone has that.
Why does it matter if you got the quizz back in time or not, I doubt she's going to give the exact same question. Badluck pretty much answer why teacher gives out quizz anyway, or you prefer teachers not giving it at all ?
 
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I gotta side with the Teacher here.

1) You and your wife appear to have been highly confrontational about this. Yeah, maybe the teacher has gotten behind schedule on this weeks grading, but guess what? Thats life. If there was a pattern to this, then I might say your son's teacher needs to rethink her curriculum plan, but as you describe it, there is no pattern of laziness in this teachers behavior. BUT the first time she has to juggle timelines, you and your wife and her other student's jump on her.

2) You and your wife are upset that your son isn't getting that A in the class. You shouldn't be blaming the teacher here. Of if you do, you need to provide a better argument than this one instance. And even if you do feel that the teacher/student relationship is the cause of your son's grade (for whatever reason) you need to discuss the problem calmly, and rationally with the teacher and principle.

Think about the example you are setting for your son in how you are handling this. If I have over-generalized based on your post then correct me.


Good luck.
 

Ryan

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While I agree that she should give back the quiz, why the fuss. Comething could really be wrong @ the teachers house, maybe with her kids, etc. Just study with your kid a little more and make sure they have everything they need.
 

Ryan

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<< I gotta side with the Teacher here.

1) You and your wife appear to have been highly confrontational about this. Yeah, maybe the teacher has gotten behind schedule on this weeks grading, but guess what? Thats life. If there was a pattern to this, then I might say your son's teacher needs to rethink her curriculum plan, but as you describe it, there is no pattern of laziness in this teachers behavior. BUT the first time she has to juggle timelines, you and your wife and her other student's jump on her.

2) You and your wife are upset that your son isn't getting that A in the class. You shouldn't be blaming the teacher here. Of if you do, you need to provide a better argument than this one instance. And even if you do feel that the teacher/student relationship is the cause of your son's grade (for whatever reason) you need to discuss the problem calmly, and rationally with the teacher and principle.

Think about the example you are setting for your son in how you are handling this. If I have over-generalized based on your post then correct me.


Good luck.
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I think you have the best advice out of anyone that has posted. You are 100% correct.
 

NeoMadHatter

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<< Friggin' overpaid, underworked prima-donnas. >>

Last time I checked teachers do not fall under the catorgy of 'overpaid'.
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yea, no overpaid teachers in my HS area. but now in college i think everyone is overpaid.