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ttn1

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You do have choice. You can use another operating system. I've been really happy with MS since Win2k and XP. I've had incredibly stable systems and the only support problems for hardware I've had have been because of bad drivers from the manufacturer.

I do use a different OS and I also use win2k. I actually really like win2K, I just wish I could make it a little leaner than it is. The whole XP registration thing has turned me off of MS. I just don't see why I should have to re-register everytime I replace my PC. All my old PCs end up running Linux. As for the drivers, they were isolated incidents, but incidents none the less. I usually found some work around, but it was never easy.

The worst incident I have had lately is when I attempted to use the update feature to get Netmeeting to chat with a friend. This was after I attempted to get to the MS download page and MS decided that wasn't what I wanted. It went nuts trying to install stuff, and now netmeeting opens every time I open outlook express. It's stuff like that that pisses me off. It even tried to install IE6, but luckily I read the 2 page list of crap it was trying to install and removed it from the list. Yes, I'm pretty sure it was always user error. I don't doubt that.

OK. I'm not busting on MS, I do like win2k and I liked winNT. I just wish I could choose to remove most of the bloatware, like I can with linux. I also, wish I could keep the OS from second guessing every thing I try to do.
 

Descartes

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Dammit, i can't wait to see a fully 3D OS interface. Imagine the stuff that can be done with that. Whew!

Like what?

I can't see any functional qualities to a 3D interface for any OS. Do I really need to fly around my filesystem?

There was a guy who converted DOOM into an interface for kiling processes on unix. You would have to shoot the processes to kill them, etc.. I looked for the link, but can't find it. It was pretty cool, but not more functional than ps or kill :)
 

kgraeme

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Here is an article on Longhorn at the SuperSite. It debunks a lot of myths.

Here is the MS research dept's conceptual 3D interface. I used to do a bit of 3D-UI dev back when "VR" was hot in the mid- to mid-late-90's. It never panned out with test groups. Working in a virtual 3D space helped a certain segment, people with strong spatial sense, but ended up confusing most people. Even when people eventually figured out what they were doing, the interface was still slower to use than a more abstracted 2D interface. Much in the same way that a 2D interface is often slower than an experienced user at a command line for certain tasks.
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: ttn1
You do have choice. You can use another operating system. I've been really happy with MS since Win2k and XP. I've had incredibly stable systems and the only support problems for hardware I've had have been because of bad drivers from the manufacturer.

I do use a different OS and I also use win2k. I actually really like win2K, I just wish I could make it a little leaner than it is. The whole XP registration thing has turned me off of MS. I just don't see why I should have to re-register everytime I replace my PC. All my old PCs end up running Linux. As for the drivers, they were isolated incidents, but incidents none the less. I usually found some work around, but it was never easy.

The worst incident I have had lately is when I attempted to use the update feature to get Netmeeting to chat with a friend. This was after I attempted to get to the MS download page and MS decided that wasn't what I wanted. It went nuts trying to install stuff, and now netmeeting opens every time I open outlook express. It's stuff like that that pisses me off. It even tried to install IE6, but luckily I read the 2 page list of crap it was trying to install and removed it from the list. Yes, I'm pretty sure it was always user error. I don't doubt that.

OK. I'm not busting on MS, I do like win2k and I liked winNT. I just wish I could choose to remove most of the bloatware, like I can with linux. I also, wish I could keep the OS from second guessing every thing I try to do.

Sounds to me like you almost just want something to complain about. Their product isn't perfect. NO piece of software is...even linux. If you have a few "isolated incidents" and discount an entire OS product line because of it, you're being a little anal.
 

chansen

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While the codename "Chicago" for Win95 was uninspired, I have to give MS their due for the codenames "Whistler" and "Blackcomb".

There is a reason those Seattle folks are so enamoured with the place. Go there.
 

RLNKID

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This is basically what Apple are working on at the moment and will be in their next release of OSX later this summer. So put Apple to shame, wouldn't think so.

Yeah OSX would be great and all if it were not made for a Mac.. ;)

 

LaBang

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It's not going to put apple to shame. Do you think that big companies like being forced into expensive OS upgrade cycles a la M$? every 2 years? I think apple's strategy of constantly tweaking and upgrading their OS is better. Plus there are rumors now that apple is going to allow one OS copy to be installed on any number of machines. Now, that would be a blow to M$.
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: LaBang
It's not going to put apple to shame. Do you think that big companies like being forced into expensive OS upgrade cycles a la M$? every 2 years? I think apple's strategy of constantly tweaking and upgrading their OS is better. Plus there are rumors now that apple is going to allow one OS copy to be installed on any number of machines. Now, that would be a blow to M$.

they are gonna go out business, just like sun.
 

Electrode

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<< they are gonna go out business, just like sun. >>

IIRC, Sun has not yet gone out of business. They're actually very financially sound. Stop being a troll.
 

ttn1

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Sounds to me like you almost just want something to complain about. Their product isn't perfect. NO piece of software is...even linux. If you have a few "isolated incidents" and discount an entire OS product line because of it, you're being a little anal.

There have been a whole series of issues with MS products that I have issues with. I'm not going to enumerate them here. Just pointing out a few of the biggest ones. Like inability to remove IE, registration and a few others. Didn't say any piece of software was perfect. Lets grab a little more than 2 words from 2 paragraphs to make our assumptions from.

The driver issue may be isolated, but that doesn't fix other problems I have with the software. I'm sorry if you work for MS. Don't mean to knock on your product line. Like I said, I have switched to a more configurable OS.
 

JellyBaby

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Just in case MS's grand vision for a Direct3D-drawn interface doesn't pan out, I hope there's an option for the less sexy 2D option we now enjoy. I also hope the infinite loop bug is fixed by then, I really do.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: kgraeme
Here is an article on Longhorn at the SuperSite. It debunks a lot of myths.

Here is the MS research dept's conceptual 3D interface. I used to do a bit of 3D-UI dev back when "VR" was hot in the mid- to mid-late-90's. It never panned out with test groups. Working in a virtual 3D space helped a certain segment, people with strong spatial sense, but ended up confusing most people. Even when people eventually figured out what they were doing, the interface was still slower to use than a more abstracted 2D interface. Much in the same way that a 2D interface is often slower than an experienced user at a command line for certain tasks.
i have the same feeling. for the life of me i can't figure out what you would be able to do other than fly around, which would be confusing as heck to most people. it takes me a little while just to figure out a quake level, i can't imagine my whole file system. seems like its more just another waste of computing resources to make the interface more cartoony.