Damn culture of corruption

alien42

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the republicans don't wear the "dunce hat of corruption", they wear the "in the closet gay/pedo hat"
 

jackace

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Most if not all politicians are corrupt. Look at what they do to become elected. Look at the Democratic and Republican National Conventions with all their private parties and exclusive access to the politicians. The entire system itself is corrupt so I find it hard to believe that many if any of the players in such a system are not corrupt themselves.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: jackace
Most if not all politicians are corrupt. Look at what they do to become elected. Look at the Democratic and Republican National Conventions with all their private parties and exclusive access to the politicians. The entire system itself is corrupt so I find it hard to believe that many if any of the players in such a system are not corrupt themselves.

I disagree. Most politicians IMO are not corrupt. Most make compromises that fall short of corruption IMO, because of the nature of the system where they have to get things passed.

As far as the two parties - the Republicans are far, far more'corrupt' in my view, but even there I don't think most Republicans are directly corrupt - rather the leadership has broad corruption problems, some of whom is now gone, and the members all too often go along with the corruption but with some reluctance. Remember the corrupt Medicare bill, some Republicans opposed it, and the White House had to hide the real price from both parties. Remember some Republicans' opposing the big bailout package.

Unfortunately, in both of my examples, the administration was able to get enough Republicans to switch their votes to pass the bill by loading up the pork.

We need to stop the blind attacks on 'all politicians are corrupt', and push for the systemic reforms to hold them accountable (such as blocking the corrupt Gonzales justice department from letting Karl Rove get rid of US Attorneys who did not abuse their power for politial reasons); demand the politicians act honestly, and then treat them decently so good people will want to serve, not just crooks. It's very screwed up in a democracy designed to represent thepublic for the public to hate all its representatives.

That's a good way for someone to come along and say 'you don't value it? Then let's replace it', and what do you get then?
 

MovingTarget

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Man, the Republicans stink.... Dems: Your shit stinks too. Everyones does.

This is news?
 

Jiggz

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If any, there's only one thing good about corruption, it's equal amongst all race, religion, political affiliation or sex orientation!
 

Double Trouble

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Dems, repubs, it doesn't matter, most of them are crooked. Anyone who thinks one party or the other is more honorable or less corrupt in some way is either delusional or <cough Craig234 cough> blinded by their partisan glasses.

This would stop if the result of a conviction for any form of corruption was life in prison without the possibility of parole. Then lets see if mayor Sheila Dixon would be willing to risk life in prison for stealing a PS2 and other misc stuff.

Originally posted by: winnar111
Of course, they try to hide political party.

Not that it really matters since both parties are made up mostly of crooks, but with the media usually leaning to the left, they only put a party designation when it's a republican. Fox news of course does the opposite....

 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Dems, repubs, it doesn't matter, most of them are crooked. Anyone who thinks one party or the other is more honorable or less corrupt in some way is either delusional or <cough Craig234 cough> blinded by their partisan glasses.

Nice attack phrase, but of course you lack the facts that I have on my side.

You are the one blinded by 'partisan glasses' - the partisanship of 'they're the same'.

I don't start out with any desire or assumption that either party is good or bad, I just follow the facts, while you are clearly assming ideologically that you can't 'take sides'.

So-called 'independants' can be some of the most blindly partisan for their views, thinking they're immune, the way some black people think blacks can't be racist.

Not that it really matters since both parties are made up mostly of crooks, but with the media usually leaning to the left, they only put a party designation when it's a republican. Fox news of course does the opposite....

I gave you too much credit, you're worse than most partisan moderates. 'Most are crooks'? 'The Media onsistently identifies party only with Republican crooks'? No facts.
 

Fear No Evil

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I love how everyone says BOTH sides are corrupt when its the Democrats getting caught left and right.. but its just Republicans when its them having scandals. Lets face it, Republicans seem to like their gay sex. Democrats like pay to play. I think at this point I would rather have a Republican in office looking for gay sex than Democrats selling our government to the highest bidder. This is NOT a matter of they are all crooks - It seems like only democrats.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I love how everyone says BOTH sides are corrupt when its the Democrats getting caught left and right.. but its just Republicans when its them having scandals. Lets face it, Republicans seem to like their gay sex. Democrats like pay to play. I think at this point I would rather have a Republican in office looking for gay sex than Democrats selling our government to the highest bidder. This is NOT a matter of they are all crooks - It seems like only democrats.

Your post is so perversly at odds with the truth, it's bizarre.

Go read up on the K Street project where Republicans explicitly set up pay to play, breaking the normal balance of the system.

Go read up on the history of Republican leaders like the long-time powerful Tom DeLay, who did things like prevent a bill attacking slave labor in our territory fom getting a vote, after the factory owners flew him and family down for a golf excursion and he promised them not to let reform come to a vote (Democrats quickly passed it when they get power).

Go read up on the Bush administration breaking new ground in selling the government's policies to the donors, for just one example, the hundreds of industry choices for who should regulate them - largely former industry lobbyists and executives - being appointed to positions representing the public against those industries, crippling government oversight.

Your post is the worst sort of lying based on ignorance followed by spewing an ideologically-determined claim. Democrats are not pure as the driven snow, but...
 

marincounty

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The difference is the scale. Republicans took us from a budget surplus to the largest deficits in history. The Democrats scandal cost us what?
Anyone remember the S and L crisis, another $400 billion scandal the Republicans were largely responsible for. Iraq war, another trilion wasted.
Wasting money doesn't seem to matter to Republicans, and Democrats are supposed to clean up the mess.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Craig234
I gave you too much credit, you're worse than most partisan moderates. 'Most are crooks'? 'The Media onsistently identifies party only with Republican crooks'? No facts.

Holy shit, you're the biggest goddamn partisan idiot on this forum.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...al.survival/index.html

Just look at this story alone. Spitzer, no party mentioned. McGreevey, no party mentioned. But it's Republican Larry Craig.

Pull your head out of your ass. News outlets do that all the time. Shamed Democrats don't have their party mentioned, but it's always Republican This and Republican That.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Genx87
http://www.wbaltv.com/cnn-news/18445702/detail.html

Another democrat bites the dust under a cloud of corruption charges. The dems are wasting little time in taking away the dunce hat of corruption from the Republicans.

Where does the article say she is a Democrat?

Interesting. It doesn't. Oversight, I'm sure.

LINL

^ Huge scandel here when one of the most powerful (Democratic) state politicians was convicted and sent to prison.

Wasn't much in the MSM about it, and try to find where in the article they acknowlege that he was a Dem (hint: you won't). Edit: NM, I'm wrong. It's mentioned

Fern
 

BoberFett

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Sorry Fern, but:

""I'd like to take this opportunity to accept full responsibility for the mistakes that I've made," the Democrat said Wednesday. "I apologize to my colleagues, my family," Black added before apologizing to the citizens of the state."
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Sorry Fern, but:

""I'd like to take this opportunity to accept full responsibility for the mistakes that I've made," the Democrat said Wednesday. "I apologize to my colleagues, my family," Black added before apologizing to the citizens of the state."

D@mn! you're right.

My post is total fail. :eek:

Fern

 

JS80

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Of course, they try to hide political party.

lulz the article doesn't even mention the word "democrat." if that was a republican it would have been in the headline.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Sorry Fern, but:

""I'd like to take this opportunity to accept full responsibility for the mistakes that I've made," the Democrat said Wednesday. "I apologize to my colleagues, my family," Black added before apologizing to the citizens of the state."

D@mn! you're right.

My post is total fail. :eek:

Fern

You're not fail. It's the 6th paragraph down, it's indirect, and it's the ONLY place where they even give you that hint.
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Of course, they try to hide political party.

What a putz you are. This is a local story about a local politician. Their target audience already KNOWS what political party she is a member of. Now, if this would have been the national story from...say Reuters:

Reuters write-up

Dixon, 55, a Democrat who is the city's first female mayor, issued a statement saying she had done nothing wrong.

Or maybe the AP:

San Diego station using the AP write-up

The Democratic mayor was indicted Friday on 12 charges, including theft, perjury and misconduct in office.

You might have a case. Since you didn't refer to anything on a national level that would support your trolling....

As for the "Honorable" Mayor....cook her and any other politician that abuses their office and the public trust regardless of party affiliation.
 

CADsortaGUY

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