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Damn Bill Clinton single-handedly destroyed the GOP argument in one speech

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a777pilot said:
Yesterday's numbers were reported on the ABC News this evening. The Honey Boo Boo numbers were from FOX.
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Guess I have to correct you twice now.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/honey-boo-boo-ratings-bill-clinton-tlc-368469

Still, Honey Boo Boo tied CNN's coverage of the Democratic National Convention -- including a speech from President Bill Clinton -- and syndicated Big Bang Theory encores among 18-49-ers on cable and trailed only NBC's NFL season opener on all of television during that hour. (Aggregate coverage of the DNC clearly eclipsed Honey Boo Boo by all measurements, and DNC ratings reflect the entire 10 p.m. hour, with Honey Boo Boo only airing from 10 to 10: 30 p.m.)
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Don't believe everything you hear on Fox as being honestly presented.
 
Bowfinger said:
I have no interest in joining you as a shill and a troll. Your clear intent in such threads is to be as disruptive as possible.
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Gee, and here I was thinking that was exactly what you were doing.

Will wonders never cease!

Anyway, enough about you and me, lover boy. These kind of "all about me and you" posts are depleting my karma reserve!

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PJABBER said:
Sorry for you, but at least I provide references to different sources that I run across. Whereas you just post your own thoughts, weak as they might be.

Fact is, I have found the Demo convention interminably boring, even as I was flipping between watching some football, working at financial analyses and helping my son out with homework questions.

I frankly get a kick out of the slew of threads that immediately get generated by the lefties here that are always on the same topic, ie Clinton knob polishing. Inevitably a target rich environment to indulge a sense of humor in.

Since coming back to the States, I have found the Breitbart sites remarkably refreshing in presenting perspectives that are not covered in much of the conservative press and not at all in the liberal mainstream media. You could broaden your reading so that you, too, can broaden your mind.

You and other "progressives" here are annoyed whenever posters express anything other than dogmatic "progressive" rhetoric, rhetoric which I find interminably boring. It is so cute! Almost like a puppy learning to walk cute. I can feel your ennui, I really can. :sneaky:

When bored I like to throw out some quips and thoughts, mine and those of others. Instead of sulking, why don't you try to find something to make us all laugh, even if at ourselves. It is a well known fact that liberals have no sense of humor, can't get jokes, take discussions out of context, etc. but maybe you are better than that. You won't know until you try.

Don't be this guy.
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A common form of passive aggressive superiority is smugness and feigned emotional ennui, a condescending pretentious indifference to the insect life around one. One sees it in smart kids that have been belittled but aren't physically able to get even.
 
a777pilot said:
I thought Honey Boo Boo was on Tuesday and Clinton was Wedenseday. I know for sure the NFL football game was last night.

If my figures are wrong, your dispute is with ABC, not me. I'm just reporting what I saw on the ABC News tonight.
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Guess my point is it's best to research these things for yourself as opposed to just blindly repeating them as gospel. Be a bit more objective. It's quite soothing.
 
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Moonbeam said:
A common form of passive aggressive superiority is smugness and feigned emotional ennui, a condescending pretentious indifference to the insect life around one. One sees it in smart kids that have been belittled but aren't physically able to get even.
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It works for me, too! :awe:
 
PJABBER said:
There are dozens of problems in the Clinton speech. But let’s just start with the top ten:

“Since 1961, for 52 years now, the Republicans have held the White House 28 years, the Democrats 24. In those 52 years, our private economy has produced 66 million private- sector jobs. So what's the job score? Republicans: twenty-four million. Democrats: forty-two.”

Technically, this is true. Just as technically, Barack Obama should run screaming with his hair on fire from this statistic. There’s a reason for that: Clinton is measuring presidential tenure purely from inauguration to inauguration. For example, he’s taking jobs numbers from January 1981 to January 1985 to measure Reagan’s first term. Only one problem with this: by this standard, Barack Obama is the second-worst private jobs creator of the last half-century (George W. Bush is first, but still created far more net jobs than Obama overall, putting Obama dead last if you include state and federal jobs in the statistic). Which is why our unemployment rate is terrible.
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Unless I'm mistaken, the reason Clinton would have used such numbers is because the average Joe Public doesn't quite understand, and the Republicans have been hammering the number of jobs under Obama using this statistic. The message serves to be less confusing.

For what it's worth, anyone care to figure out what the real stats are then, to go from 10 months into a presidency until 10 months into the next presidency? That would absolutely hammer Bush, while helping Obama; what would it do to other Republican and Democratic Presidents?
 
Svnla said:
I did not watch the speech because the game was on.

Did Bill talk about the 8.3% unemployment rate (officially)? about the 50% of college graduates are either unemployed or underemployed? about 16 Trillion debt and growing? about more and more people are on welfare/food stamp? about the recent closing of the GM plant in Shreveport, La forever (in which over 1,000 employees were out of jobs)? about Solyndra? about poll after poll showing Mitt is ahead of Obama in handling of economy/jobs?

Edit: Did he talk about the unemployment rate of blacks, who overwhelmingly voted for Obama (90% plus)? (FYI, over 14.4% per CNN, a liberal news source)?

I reckon he did not and I wonder why. Destroy, destroy, destroy indeed. 😀
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Why don't u watch it and find out that you reckon wrong?
 
Fern said:
You're not quite right either.

He was found guilty by a federal judge of contempt of court for perjury.

I don't how to correctly phrase it (e.g., is it a "conviction"? IDK what it's technically/legally called), but he was clearly guilty of perjury and he lost his law license for it.

See:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/contempt041399.htm

Fern
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Constitutionally, a federal judge has no standing to issue any order against a sitting president- that right is reserved for congress, codified in the rules of impeachment by the HOR & conviction by the Senate.

The President is not above the law, but rather subject to a whole different law.
 
Perhaps one of the more interesting aspects of all this is the rightwing's wishful thinking about "nobody was watching".

They're right to a point, a very small one. Clinton's speech has strongly affected the media narrative, and is available on YouTube for the curious.

I suspect there have been a lot more than the 750K views on this site alone-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzDhk3BHi6Q

The effect was also to rouse the Dem base, something Repubs have been attempting to beat down all along, and is really the only reason they won the midterms- low turnout.

We'll see how Obama does tonight, but if he follows through on Clinton's cues, I doubt that Repubs will be able to counter effectively.
 
Jhhnn said:
Perhaps one of the more interesting aspects of all this is the rightwing's wishful thinking about "nobody was watching".

They're right to a point, a very small one. Clinton's speech has strongly affected the media narrative, and is available on YouTube for the curious.

I suspect there have been a lot more than the 750K views on this site alone-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzDhk3BHi6Q

The effect was also to rouse the Dem base, something Repubs have been attempting to beat down all along, and is really the only reason they won the midterms- low turnout.

We'll see how Obama does tonight, but if he follows through on Clinton's cues, I doubt that Repubs will be able to counter effectively.
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One of the great handicaps that the Republicans have is that the MSM is a thinly veiled arm of the Democrat Party. From what I have seen so far this "silly" season, it would appear that the MSM is on the Democrat Party's morning strategy conference calls.
 
a777pilot said:
I agree. Believing what ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC reports is quite stupid.
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The majority of what they report on television is also available online. Care to find even one link that supports what you claim you heard them say? Certainly, if all of those said it on television, at least one of them must have it on their website.
 
a777pilot said:
I agree. Believing what ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC reports is quite stupid.
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Yet they consistently get the facts right, whereas you and your preferred sources get the facts wrong. An intelligent person might use that as a hint that's it time for a little introspection. He might realize he's being manipulated by liars.
 
sandorski said:
Why don't u watch it and find out that you reckon wrong?
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Since no one was able to dispute my statements/questions/reckonings about Bill Clinton's speech, my reckon was spot on until proven otherwise. Care to prove me wrong (links/transcripts from last night speech would be nice)?

One more question, did Bill talk about 61% of Americans (per ABC News) who are believing the US is heading down the wrong path? Of course not. I wonder why he did not. Destroy indeed.
 
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a777pilot said:
One of the great handicaps that the Republicans have is that the MSM is a thinly veiled arm of the Democrat Party. From what I have seen so far this "silly" season, it would appear that the MSM is on the Democrat Party's morning strategy conference calls.
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Bowfinger said:
Yet they consistently get the facts right, whereas you and your preferred sources get the facts wrong. An intelligent person might use that as a hint that's it time for a little introspection. He might realize he's being manipulated by liars.
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Colbert's incisive & prescient remarks about facts & truthiness shine through once again.

It's clear that A777 has little to no regard for facts at all, and goes even further claiming that anybody who reports them has a "Liberal Bias".

He believes what he wants to believe because it satisfies some inner need- it's utterly ontological in that completely emotional way that righties mistake for reason.
 
a777pilot said:
I agree. Believing what ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC reports is quite stupid.
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...and yet you reported it as fact.

You: Here's some facts
Reality: Uhhh, dude, no.
You: Well I got them from the MSM.
Reality: No.
You: Well, the MSM is actually a clandestine branch of the Democratic Party.
Reality: What in the actual fuck?

Good god man, how has your head *not* exploded?
 
Svnla said:
Since no one was able to dispute my statements/questions/reckonings about Bill Clinton's speech, my reckon was spot on until proven otherwise. Care to prove me wrong (links/transcripts from last night speech would be nice)?

One more question, did Bill talk about 61% of Americans (per ABC News) who are believing the US is heading down the wrong path? Of course not. I wonder why he did not. Destroy indeed.
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Clinton disputes them. Watch the speech.
 
sandorski said:
Clinton disputes them. Watch the speech.
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As I said, I did not watch the speech but from what I did hear from others, he did not say anything about the points of my very first post in this thread. NOT talking about his points vs. Mitt/Republicans.
 
Svnla said:
As I said, I did not watch the speech but from what I did hear from others, he did not say anything about the points of my very first post in this thread. NOT talking about his points vs. Mitt/Republicans.
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You could have watched it already and known for yourself. :shrug:
 
etrigan420 said:
...and yet you reported it as fact.

You: Here's some facts
Reality: Uhhh, dude, no.
You: Well I got them from the MSM.
Reality: No.
You: Well, the MSM is actually a clandestine branch of the Democratic Party.
Reality: What in the actual fuck?

Good god man, how has your head *not* exploded?
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How? Righties resolve cognitive dissonance with denial. For them, it works every time.
 
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