Dallas police chief apologizes for conduct of officer who drew gun on NFL player outside hospital

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UPDATED--- Mar 27, 2009 2:12PM PST

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/bl...the-str?urn=nfl,150809 -- actual unedited video footage

Here is the some thoughts -- Now, I don't want professional athletes to get any preferential treatment from the law, but is it too much to ask that they get the "normal human being treatment"? Is it too much to ask for even the most basic of human compassion?

You can see it all for yourself in the above video. The officer refusing for about five minutes to even acknowledge what Moats is saying about his mother-in-law. His making it a point to inform Moats of all the ways he has the power to make his life difficult. The complete lack of sensitivity.

It's even worse than what you see there, though. What you don't see is that the officer drew his gun on Moats and his wife as they explained that a family member was inside the hospital dying.

I'm trying to see the cop's point of view here, but I just can't. Where's the danger? Where's the great risk to society? Did Moats drive to a hospital parking lot as part of an elaborate ruse to get away with cautiously rolling through a red light? At a certain point, doesn't an officer have to step back and say, "What am I doing here? Am I helping or hurting? How does this protect and serve anything other than my own inflated sense of authority?"

There had to be something he could do to get Moats out of there quicker. There had to be a better option than to put on 14-minute display of his mighty authority as a police officer.

The Dallas police department seems to be in agreement, too, as they've reassigned the officer to a Farva-like dispatch job. The ticket issued to Moats was dismissed, and a Dallas police lieutenant said of the officer in question, "There were some things that were said that were disturbing, to say the least."

Should the guy be fired? As always, opinions vary. Some say yes, some say no. Maybe it's punishment enough that the guy's going to have to live with the fact that he denied a man the ability to hold a loved one's hand as she passed away. But for that to qualify as punishment, the officer would have to have some sense of human compassion, and maybe I missed it, but I see absolutely no sign of that in the video.

A dispatch job sounds about right. Either that, or something in the department of cleaning cells. I think it was pretty clearly demonstrated in that video that he lacks the decision-making ability to be on the streets. I don't know if I'd trust that guy to check parking meters.

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http://www.dallasnews.com/shar...3e9c080.html?nTar=OPUR

Dallas Police Chief David Kunkle stood in front of a dozen news cameras this afternoon at police headquarters to apologize for the behavior of an officer who stopped a family outside a hospital emergency room.

Kunkle said Officer Robert Powell has been placed on paid administrative leave in connection with an incident last week in which he stopped a family rushing to visit a dying mother, detaining them for 13 minutes to write a traffic ticket.

?His behavior in my opinion, did not exhibit the common sense, discretion, the compassion that we expect our officers to exhibit,? the chief told a packed audience of media outlets that included Inside Edition.

During the traffic stop, caught on the officer?s in-car camera, Powell berated the driver, 26-year-old NFL running back Ryan Moats, and threatened him with arrest for running a traffic light.

?I can screw you over,? said Powell, 25. ?I?d rather not do that.?

At one point during today?s news conference, Kunkle seemed to restrain himself from being even more candid with his views on the incident.
?When we in the command staff reviewed the tapes,? he said, ?we were embarrassed, disappointed ? it?s hard to find the right words and still be professional in my role as a police chief.?

The chief also praised Moats and his family for how they handled the officer?s behavior.
?They exercised extraordinary patience, restraint, dealing with the behavior of our officer,? Kunkle said. ?At no time did Mr. Moats identify himself as an NFL football player or expect any kind of special consideration. He handled himself very, very well.?

Moats rolled through a red light as he and his wife were en route to Baylor Regional Medical Center at Plano. A Dallas police squad car pulled their SUV over near the hospital's emergency entrance.

Moats and his wife implored the officer to let them hurry on to the bedside of her ill mother.

?You really want to go through this right now?? Moats pleaded. ?My mother-in-law is dying. Right now!?

His wife, Tamishia Moats, said Powell "was pointing a gun at me as soon as I got out of the car. It was the weirdest feeling because I?ve never had a gun pointed at me before under those circumstances.?

Powell then spent long minutes writing Moats a ticket and threatening him with arrest.

Powell could not be reached for comment.

Kunkle, asked about Powell?s reaction to the investigation, said the officer told a member of the command staff that he was just doing his job.
?My understanding is that Officer Powell, even when he saw the videotape, believed he had not acted inappropriately," Kunkle said.

?I've read some of the comments in some of the publications, and the majority of the comments reflect my position ? that at the point the officer was told that they were responding to a dying family member, that should have been his concern: to allow those people to get access to that family member."
The scene, captured by the officer's dashboard video camera, prompted apologies and the promise of an investigation even before Kunkle met the media.

?There were some things that were said that were disturbing, to say the least,? said Lt. Andy Harvey, a police spokesman.

Harvey said Powell told his commanders that he drew his gun but did not point it at Moats or his wife.

The lieutenant said it's not unusual for officers to draw a gun in traffic stops if they feel threatened.

Moats? mother-in-law, Jonetta Collinsworth, was struggling at 45 with breast cancer that had spread throughout her body. Family members rushed to her bedside from as far away as California.

On March 17, the Moatses had gone to their Frisco home to get some rest. Around midnight, they received word that they needed to hurry back to the hospital if they wanted to see Collinsworth before she died.

The couple, along with Collinsworth?s father and an aunt, jumped into the SUV and headed back toward the hospital. They exited the Dallas North Tollway, just down the street from the hospital.

Moats turned on his hazard lights. He stopped at a red light, where, he said, the only nearby motorist signaled for him to go ahead. He went through.

Powell, watching traffic from a hidden spot, flipped on his lights and sirens. In less than a minute, he caught up to the SUV and followed for about 20 more seconds as Moats found a parking spot outside the emergency room.

Tamishia, 27, was the first out. Powell drew his gun and yelled at her to get back in.

?Get in there!? he yelled. ?Let me see your hands!?

?My mom is dying,? she explained to him.

Powell was undeterred.

?I saw in his eyes that he really did not care,? Tamishia Moats
said. ?Honestly, I don?t think I cared that he had a gun pointed at me. My train of thought is that I?m going to see my mom in the hospital before she dies.?

Tamishia Moats and her great-aunt ignored the officer and headed into the hospital.

?It was almost like a movie,? she said, ?It felt like we had robbed a bank or something.?

Ryan Moats, who stayed behind with the father of the dying woman, said Powell also pointed his gun at him. He said he put his hands on the car because he was afraid that he might get shot.

?I put my hands on the car so he couldn?t say I reached for something,? Ryan said. ?He didn?t ask me to put my hands on the car. I just did it to try to protect myself. I was pleading with him.?
He tried to explain the situation to the officer.

?I waited until no traffic was coming,? Moats told Powell, explaining his passage through the red light. ?I got seconds before she?s gone, man.?

Powell demanded his license and proof of insurance. Moats produced his license but said he didn?t know where the insurance paperwork was.

?Just give me a ticket or whatever,? he said, beginning to sound exasperated and a little argumentative.

?Shut your mouth,? Powell told him. ?You can cooperate and settle down, or I can just take you to jail for running a red light.?
There was more back and forth.

?If you?re going to give me a ticket, give me a ticket.?

?Your attitude says that you need one.?

?All I?m asking you is just to hurry up.?

Powell began a lecture.

?If you want to keep this going, I?ll just put you in handcuffs,? the officer said, ?and I?ll take you to jail for running a red light.?

Powell made several more points, including that the SUV was illegally parked. Moats replied ?Yes sir? to each.

?Understand what I can do,? Powell concluded. ?I can tow your truck. I can charge you with fleeing. I can make your night very difficult.?

?I understand,? Moats responded. ?I hope you?ll be a great person and not do that.?

Hospital security guards arrived and told Powell that the Moatses? relative really was upstairs dying.

Powell spent several minutes inside his squad car, in part to check Moats for outstanding warrants. He found none.

Another hospital staffer came out and spoke with a Plano police officer who had arrived.

?Hey, that?s the nurse,? the Plano officer told Powell. ?She said that the mom?s dying right now, and she?s wanting to know if they can get him up there before she dies.?

?All right,? Powell replied. ?I?m almost done.?

As Moats signed the ticket, Powell continued his lecture.

?Attitude?s everything,? he said. ?All you had to do is stop, tell me what was going on. More than likely, I would have let you go.?

It had been about 13 minutes.

Moats and Collinsworth?s father went into the hospital, where they found Collinsworth had died, with her daughter at her side.
The Moatses, who are black, said Wednesday that they can?t help but think that race might have played a part in how Powell, who is white, treated them.
?I think he should lose his job,? said Ryan Moats, a Dallas native who attended Bishop Lynch High School and now plays for the Houston Texans.

Powell was hired in January 2006. Assistant Chief Floyd Simpson said Powell told police officials that he believed that he was doing his job. He has been re-assigned to dispatch pending an investigation.

?When people are in distress, we should come to the rescue,? said Simpson. ?We shouldn?t further their distress.?

Collinsworth was buried Saturday in Louisiana.


Rest in Peace Mrs Collingsworth!!
It`s sad that after reading this that white officer acted in the manner which he did!
What I find to be incomprehensible is that when the officer saw the video tape he did NOT believe he had acted innapropriately!!

The amazing clearness of thought for Moats to relize that this cop was looney tunes and to not give the cop a reason to shoot his weapon, Mr Moats put his hands on his car...just amazing!!

Again RIP!!!
 

mugs

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The officer screwed up, that much is clear. I don't think it's the sort of screw-up that should cost someone their job though.
 

AreaCode707

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Damn, that's harsh. The officer deserves suspension after an apology if he acknowledges that he was in error. If he seriously doesn't see why he was wrong, then he doesn't have all the right synapses firing to be a police officer and should be fired so he can find a better-fitting job.
 

waggy

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yeap. this officer is a paice of trash.

i can understand pulling the gun, i can understand him not beleiveing him at first. but once other officers and a nurse come up and say his family is dieing and they need to go. the officer sat in the car and continued to lecture him. why? only reason i can see is that he did it to show him who was boss.



edit; i agree with mugs. while disgusting and i think the officer is a disgusting paice of shit. its not a offence that he will get fired for. now i can see him getting "retraining" and sensitivity training.
 

MovingTarget

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Although it isn't okay to break traffic laws, I have to side with the family there. The officer was on an unnecessary power trip. They are there to serve the community, and he clearly wasn't acting in anybody's interest but his own ego. He should've taken the man in his cruiser or escorted them or something. If they turned out to be lying, then he should've arrested them. People should be given the benefit of the doubt.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: mugs
The officer screwed up, that much is clear. I don't think it's the sort of screw-up that should cost someone their job though.

This would be a non-story if every cop treated everyone the same. This guy doesn't deserve special treatment because of what was happening to someone else. He ran a red light and could've easily killed or injured someone. The cop talked too damn much, IMHO.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: mugs
The officer screwed up, that much is clear. I don't think it's the sort of screw-up that should cost someone their job though.

This would be a non-story if every cop treated everyone the same. This guy doesn't deserve special treatment because of what was happening to someone else. He ran a red light and could've easily killed or injured someone. The cop talked too damn much, IMHO.

are you insane? wait nevermind anyone who thinks because a guy was at a spears concert is a pedophile is.


no a cop should NOT treat everyone the same. look at the facts and then respond.
 

AreaCode707

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Originally posted by: waggy
yeap. this officer is a paice of trash.

i can understand pulling the gun, i can understand him not beleiveing him at first. but once other officers and a nurse come up and say his family is dieing and they need to go. the officer sat in the car and continued to lecture him. why? only reason i can see is that he did it to show him who was boss.



edit; i agree with mugs. while disgusting and i think the officer is a disgusting paice of shit. its not a offence that he will get fired for. now i can see him getting "retraining" and sensitivity training.

If, after having the chance to quietly think through the situation, he fails to see what was wrong with what he did, then I think he lacks the basic empathy required of the police and should probably have failed his pre-employment psych evaluations.

Kunkle, asked about Powell?s reaction to the investigation, said the officer told a member of the command staff that he was just doing his job.
?My understanding is that Officer Powell, even when he saw the videotape, believed he had not acted inappropriately," Kunkle said.

If this was a one-time lapse in judgment then clearly losing his job is over the top; everyone makes mistakes in the heat of the moment. However, it's not looking like he even acknowledges this was a mistake.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: waggy
yeap. this officer is a paice of trash.

i can understand pulling the gun, i can understand him not beleiveing him at first. but once other officers and a nurse come up and say his family is dieing and they need to go. the officer sat in the car and continued to lecture him. why? only reason i can see is that he did it to show him who was boss.



edit; i agree with mugs. while disgusting and i think the officer is a disgusting paice of shit. its not a offence that he will get fired for. now i can see him getting "retraining" and sensitivity training.

If, after having the chance to quietly think through the situation, he fails to see what was wrong with what he did, then I think he lacks the basic empathy required of the police and should probably have failed his pre-employment psych evaluations.

Kunkle, asked about Powell?s reaction to the investigation, said the officer told a member of the command staff that he was just doing his job.
?My understanding is that Officer Powell, even when he saw the videotape, believed he had not acted inappropriately," Kunkle said.

If this was a one-time lapse in judgment then clearly losing his job is over the top; everyone makes mistakes in the heat of the moment. However, it's not looking like he even acknowledges this was a mistake.

doh. good point. hmm..actaully i think you are right.
 

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: mugs
The officer screwed up, that much is clear. I don't think it's the sort of screw-up that should cost someone their job though.

This would be a non-story if every cop treated everyone the same. This guy doesn't deserve special treatment because of what was happening to someone else. He ran a red light and could've easily killed or injured someone. The cop talked too damn much, IMHO.

I'm sure you drive the speed limit when your mother has only minutes left.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: mugs
The officer screwed up, that much is clear. I don't think it's the sort of screw-up that should cost someone their job though.

This would be a non-story if every cop treated everyone the same. This guy doesn't deserve special treatment because of what was happening to someone else. He ran a red light and could've easily killed or injured someone. The cop talked too damn much, IMHO.

Just wow.......Dari are you even an adult dude!
Your response is one of being at best a child......
The dude had a family member who was dying now....not going to die in a day or so....
Since when is it special treatment for a cop to listen to the person and then say okay I will escort you to the hospital.......
Should he be given a ticket? probably but you know the cop had all the info he needed to write the ticket from the License ##.
In fact the cop could have escorted him to the hospital and written the ticket from the hospital.
I only hope that as you mature into adolesence and grow up tha you never get pulled over on the way to the hopistal to try to see a loved one before they die!!

Peace!!
 

Ns1

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omg dude I just read the entire story and that's fucking bullshit. I hope that cop DIAF's. fucktard POS.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: mugs
The officer screwed up, that much is clear. I don't think it's the sort of screw-up that should cost someone their job though.

This would be a non-story if every cop treated everyone the same. This guy doesn't deserve special treatment because of what was happening to someone else. He ran a red light and could've easily killed or injured someone. The cop talked too damn much, IMHO.

Just wow.......Dari are you even an adult dude!
Your response is one of being at best a child......
The dude had a family member who was dying now....not going to die in a day or so....
Since when is it special treatment for a cop to listen to the person and then say okay I will escort you to the hospital.......
Should he be given a ticket? probably but you know the cop had all the info he needed to write the ticket from the License ##.
In fact the cop could have escorted him to the hospital and written the ticket from the hospital.
I only hope that as you mature into adolesence and grow up tha you never get pulled over on the way to the hopistal to try to see a loved one before they die!!

Peace!!

here is the bad part. they were AT the hospital! hospital nurse's were asking to let them go up and see the mother other OFFICERS were asking to let them go and see the mother.

yet teh damn cop on a power trip sat in his car and then contiuned the lecture.

only good part of the story is i would say 85% of the cops out there would have let them go up. but this one asshole cop couldnt let that happen.
 

JSt0rm

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this is pretty bad. i wonder how much the events in oakland clouded his judgement? I think race is a big thing in this and he should lose his job. Not everybody is cut out to be a cop.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: mugs
The officer screwed up, that much is clear. I don't think it's the sort of screw-up that should cost someone their job though.

This would be a non-story if every cop treated everyone the same. This guy doesn't deserve special treatment because of what was happening to someone else. He ran a red light and could've easily killed or injured someone. The cop talked too damn much, IMHO.

It sounds like he was actually pretty safe when he ran the red light. He didn't just drive straight through, he made sure it was safe first. He broke the law, but didn't endanger anyone.

Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Damn, that's harsh. The officer deserves suspension after an apology if he acknowledges that he was in error. If he seriously doesn't see why he was wrong, then he doesn't have all the right synapses firing to be a police officer and should be fired so he can find a better-fitting job.

I can agree with that.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
this is pretty bad. i wonder how much the events in oakland clouded his judgement? I think race is a big thing in this and he should lose his job. Not everybody is cut out to be a cop.

I don't think race was a factor at all. I think the officer acted out of anger because
1. The driver ignored him when he was behind him with his lights flashing
2. The driver was not cooperative (particularly when he was asked for proof of insurance)

Those two things clearly pissed the cop off, and I think that's why he reacted the way he did.
 

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I'd suspend him for 30 days without pay IF this is his first infraction. The officer is young and may only have been on the job for a year or so. I'd note in his file that the detention might have been racially motivated. I'd require some re-training on handling the public as well, and have that completed before he was re-instated.

My dad was a cop, so I know what a hassle the job can be. NO ONE gives you respect. Young males, in particular. Most cops are good people too.

-Robert
 

n yusef

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
this is pretty bad. i wonder how much the events in oakland clouded his judgement? I think race is a big thing in this and he should lose his job. Not everybody is cut out to be a cop.

I don't think race was a factor at all. I think the officer acted out of anger because
1. The driver ignored him when he was behind him with his lights flashing
2. The driver was not cooperative (particularly when he was asked for proof of insurance)

Those two things clearly pissed the cop off, and I think that's why he reacted the way he did.

The driver didn't ignore the cop. If you notice, he has his hazard lights on. I assume he did that to signal compliance with the cop while finding a good place to pull over. It would be irresponsible for them to stop in the middle of a hospital road.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: n yusef
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
this is pretty bad. i wonder how much the events in oakland clouded his judgement? I think race is a big thing in this and he should lose his job. Not everybody is cut out to be a cop.

I don't think race was a factor at all. I think the officer acted out of anger because
1. The driver ignored him when he was behind him with his lights flashing
2. The driver was not cooperative (particularly when he was asked for proof of insurance)

Those two things clearly pissed the cop off, and I think that's why he reacted the way he did.

The driver didn't ignore the cop. If you notice, he has his hazard lights on. I assume he did that to signal compliance with the cop while finding a good place to pull over. It would be irresponsible for them to stop in the middle of a hospital road.

You assume that because you didn't read. He had his hazard lights on before he ran the red light.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: chess9
NO ONE gives you respect.

That's because no one deserves respect solely based on a badge.

No one deserves disrespect solely based on a badge either. I don't know about you, but I'm respectful to everyone unless they do something to lose my respect. That's just how I roll.
 

n yusef

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: n yusef
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
this is pretty bad. i wonder how much the events in oakland clouded his judgement? I think race is a big thing in this and he should lose his job. Not everybody is cut out to be a cop.

I don't think race was a factor at all. I think the officer acted out of anger because
1. The driver ignored him when he was behind him with his lights flashing
2. The driver was not cooperative (particularly when he was asked for proof of insurance)

Those two things clearly pissed the cop off, and I think that's why he reacted the way he did.

The driver didn't ignore the cop. If you notice, he has his hazard lights on. I assume he did that to signal compliance with the cop while finding a good place to pull over. It would be irresponsible for them to stop in the middle of a hospital road.

You assume that because you didn't read. He had his hazard lights on before he ran the red light.

OK I feel dumb now :(
 

JEDIYoda

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There seems to be some confusion ---
Moat`s the NFL player had his hazard lights on before crossing the intersection.

Powell the police officer did not see Moat`s until he crossed the intersection...

Moats turned on his hazard lights. He stopped at a red light, where, he said, the only nearby motorist signaled for him to go ahead. He went through.

Powell, watching traffic from a hidden spot, flipped on his lights and sirens
 

n yusef

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: chess9
NO ONE gives you respect.

That's because no one deserves respect solely based on a badge.

No one deserves disrespect solely based on a badge either. I don't know about you, but I'm respectful to everyone unless they do something to lose my respect. That's just how I roll.

I think this is a silly think to argue about. Instead, I ask, why are cops allowed to hassle those who they feel disrespected them? To me, a cop's job isn't to punish criminals but to catch suspects. Most of our problems with police misconduct stem from the police taking judgment into their own hands. We need to reform cop culture. Cops should not take disrespect, or even attempted assault (like the incident of the teenage girl kicker her shoe at an officer) that is obviously non-threatening personally. They should not be able to beat people who are not dangerous, because they "deserve it."

We have laws to punish criminals, not police.