DADT Repeal Passes in Senate

[Carmen813]

If you didn't watch the vote, the DADT repeal just passed the Senate Filibuster 63-33, with several Republicans voting in support and one Democrat obstaining.

Final vote is tomorrow, but only requires 51 votes to become law.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/46576.html

One more institutionalized discrimination policy down. For those who don't know, this isn't an instant repeal. It requires the President and Joint Chiefs to certify that this won't harm the military, and then requires a 60 day waiting period so that training programs can be adjusted/implemented as necessary.

The Republican senators voting “yes” with the Democrats were Mark Kirk of Illinois, Scott Brown of Massachusetts, George Voinovich of Ohio, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska – and Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, both of Maine.

West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, who previously stated he opposes repeal, was the only Democrat to miss the vote.

*Edit*
It was passed into law by a vote of 65-31. To more Republicans jumped fence to vote for final approval. It goes to Obama for signature next week.

 

[Craig234]

If you didn't watch the vote, the DADT repeal just passed the Senate Filibuster 63-33, with several Republicans voting in support and one Democrat obstaining.

Final vote is tomorrow, but only requires 51 votes to become law.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/46576.html

One more institutionalized discrimination policy down.

So 33 Republican Senators support bigotry, discrimination, and are for playing politics with these issues - and no doubt many of their constituents. That's disgusting.

Good news that enough of the country has shifted for this to finally pass.

Now, if gays had the good judgement not to enlist in an oversized military that can make them commit violence some of which is not moral, they'd be better off.

Congrats to the Democrats who got this passed.

 

[Carmen813]

So 33 Republican Senators support bigotry, discrimination, and are for playing politics with these issues - and no doubt many of their constituents. That's disgusting.

Good news that enough of the country has shifted for this to finally pass.

Now, if gays had the good judgement not to enlist in an oversized military that can make them commit violence some of which is not moral, they'd be better off.

Congrats to the Democrats who got this passed.

Actually quite a few Republicans (15 I think) backed this in the House as well. Wouldn't have been enough to pass it in January because it never would have come to a vote, but good to see none the less.

As for the comment about military/violence/morals, I disagree with what you said, but let's try to keep this post on topic.

 

[Fear No Evil]

So 33 Republican Senators support bigotry, discrimination, and are for playing politics with these issues - and no doubt many of their constituents. That's disgusting.

Good news that enough of the country has shifted for this to finally pass.

Now, if gays had the good judgement not to enlist in an oversized military that can make them commit violence some of which is not moral, they'd be better off.

Congrats to the Democrats who got this passed.

Its nice that the Democrat party has moved away from its bigoted homophobes like Bill Clinton whom could have prevented this from ever being policy. I guess its OK to support bigotry for like 20 years and then say you're against it. Perhaps one day the Democrats will start treating women with respect as well.

 

[Shadow Conception]

I'm not really in the loop, but I thought Clinton supported DADT as a compromise between liberals and conservatives? He doesn't seem homophobic to me.

 

[fskimospy]

Its nice that the Democrat party has moved away from its bigoted homophobes like Bill Clinton whom could have prevented this from ever being policy. I guess its OK to support bigotry for like 20 years and then say you're against it. Perhaps one day the Democrats will start treating women with respect as well.

You're a moron. Bill Clinton tried to repeal the ban on gays in the military in its entirety, and after being thwarted (primarily by Republicans, surprise surprise), he settled on removing the active persecution of gays by implementing DADT.

 

[Zorba]

Has there been a single bill proposed by the dems that the republicans have not Filibustered? I think it is time to go back to old fashioned filibusters, if you actually believe in something get up there and read the phone book.

 

[Carmen813]

Its nice that the Democrat party has moved away from its bigoted homophobes like Bill Clinton whom could have prevented this from ever being policy. I guess its OK to support bigotry for like 20 years and then say you're against it. Perhaps one day the Democrats will start treating women with respect as well.

DADT was better than what existed prior to it. It was a flawed policy, but it was better than the alternative. It was also the most practical policy to implement in 1994 given the political make up of Congress and public opinion at the time if you wanted to try and change things...and it's very likely that having DADT in place is what eventually led to gays allowing to openly serve.

This is what we call progress. It's also why those who refuse to compromise and stand solely on principle often manage to accomplish nothing.

Of course, you were just trolling, so I'll give you the real response you were looking for:

 

[Carmen813]

Has there been a single bill proposed by the dems that the republicans have not Filibustered? I think it is time to go back to old fashioned filibusters, if you actually believe in something get up there and read the phone book.

Every bill in the Senate requires cloture, which is 60 votes, to end debate. Filibuster basically occurs when you can't get those 60 votes, since the debate can never end you take up time on the floor jabbering about whatever. This grinds the Senate to a halt.

It's worth noting that this policy is not in the Constitution, it's rather a part of Senate rules. That said, I wouldn't want it to go away entirely, but maybe lowered slightly.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I think it's great. Now when the going gets tough DADT can't be used as an excuse to get out of the military.

 

[Carmen813]

I think it's great. Now when the going gets tough DADT can't be used as an excuse to get out of the military.

It wasn't being used like that anyway.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I saw it used exactly like that many times when I was in the Navy.

 

[theeedude]

Its nice that the Democrat party has moved away from its bigoted homophobes like Bill Clinton whom could have prevented this from ever being policy. I guess its OK to support bigotry for like 20 years and then say you're against it. Perhaps one day the Democrats will start treating women with respect as well.

Trying to decide what's funnier, how ignorant you are or how eager you are to let everyone know.

 

[Craig234]

As for the comment about military/violence/morals, I disagree with what you said, but let's try to keep this post on topic.

So you think the military is not oversized and should be enlarged with more gay recruits, and/or that it never does any unjustified violence. Whatever, we disagree.

But the 'on topic' card is out of place. You seem to think it belongs played anywhere you disagree.

 

[K1052]

passed

 

[K1052]

So you think the military is not oversized and should be enlarged with more gay recruits, and/or that it never does any unjustified violence. Whatever, we disagree.

But the 'on topic' card is out of place. You seem to think it belongs played anywhere you disagree.

I don't think that the levels of gay soldiers will go up that substantially, instead those who are already in the service will no longer have to lie about who they and and this also closes up a major security hole to boot.

BTW, every military ever constructed does "unjustified violence", our country should and does make every effort to keep it to a minimum however some level will always occur....that's war.

 

[Slick5150]

Now what's Klinger supposed to do to get out of Korea?!

 

[Phokus]

I shed a tear for the GOP bigots in this country and in this forum... nah just kidding. Suck it, conservatives

 

[matt0611]

Fine with me, hope it works out.

 

[GoPackGo]

They way I understood it DADT kept the military from actively persecuting gays. Now with the repeal, they can go back to active persecution? How is this better?

 

[K1052]

They way I understood it DADT kept the military from actively persecuting gays. Now with the repeal, they can go back to active persecution? How is this better?

Once the repeal is signed the DOD should be able to issue a directive banning discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in short order. Given the testimony of Gates and Mullen I think that's a done deal. Some minor changes to the UCMJ will have to be made eventually but there will be no further discharges.

 

[Jhhnn]

Every bill in the Senate requires cloture, which is 60 votes, to end debate. Filibuster basically occurs when you can't get those 60 votes, since the debate can never end you take up time on the floor jabbering about whatever. This grinds the Senate to a halt.

It's worth noting that this policy is not in the Constitution, it's rather a part of Senate rules. That said, I wouldn't want it to go away entirely, but maybe lowered slightly.

It only requires 60 votes if the minority demands it, and Senate repubs have at least 87 times this session, along with putting secret holds on federal appointments and using every parliamentary trick they could muster to prevent action. Look forward to even more hostage taking and extortion over the next 2 years.

You're a moron. Bill Clinton tried to repeal the ban on gays in the military in its entirety, and after being thwarted (primarily by Republicans, surprise surprise), he settled on removing the active persecution of gays by implementing DADT.

That was a sleazy and vicious attack by Fear no Evil- totally inaccurate. Why am I not surprised?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

its nice that the democrat party has moved away from its bigoted homophobes like bill clinton whom could have prevented this from ever being policy. I guess its ok to support bigotry for like 20 years and then say you're against it. Perhaps one day the democrats will start treating women with respect as well.

troll harder, not smarter!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I saw it used exactly like that many times when I was in the Navy.

So what you are saying is that you hadn't needed to suck so much cock if you had just waited?

Sucks to be you i guess and yeah, the pun is intentional pretty boy.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

They way I understood it DADT kept the military from actively persecuting gays. Now with the repeal, they can go back to active persecution? How is this better?

No, it means that they are accepted now, welcome to the 21'st century.