Daddy, tell me about global cooling again: hundreds of icebergs off of New Zealand

[shira]

YGPM
(Edit: Stop discussing moderation in this thread, it doesn't belong here, and back on-topic)

Fern
Super Moderator

Just when you think global cooling is a done deal (PJABBER says it is, so it MUST be true), those wacky climate-conspirators figure out a way to force a 30 square-kilometer iceberg to calve off Antarctica, break up, and send its children into the shipping lanes off New Zealand.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091123/ts_afp/australianzealandantarcticaclimateiceberg

Scientist Neal Young said more than 100 icebergs -- some measuring more than 200 metres (650 feet) across -- were seen in just one cluster, indicating there could be hundreds more.

He said they were the remains of a massive ice floe which split from the Antarctic as sea and air temperatures rise due to global warming.
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Young earlier told AFP he expected to see more icebergs in the area if the Earth's temperature continues to increase.

"If the current trends in global warming were to continue I would anticipate seeing more icebergs and the large ice shelves breaking up," he said.

PJABBER, please call this guy and tell him to stop using that word "warming." He's only a glacialogist, so clearly he doesn't understand that COOLER temperatures make icebergs calve. Come on, explain it to him.

 

[spidey07]

This just in. It's almost summer time in the southern hemisphere. That means warmer temps, that means melting ice.

SHOCKING!

 

[PJABBER]

Just when you think global cooling is a done deal (PJABBER says it is, so it MUST be true), those wacky climate-conspirators figure out a way to force a 30 square-kilometer iceberg to calve off Antarctica, break up, and send its children into the shipping lanes off New Zealand.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091123/ts_afp/australianzealandantarcticaclimateiceberg

PJABBER, please call this guy and tell him to stop using that word "warming." He's only a glacialogist, so clearly he doesn't understand that COOLER temperatures make icebergs calve. Come on, explain it to him.

I don't have to. I just heard that the Saudis PAID for that ice and are in the process of moving it to the Gulf so that they can get a little bit of snowboarding in!

Dig deep, my friend, we can still hear echoes from the hole you have made for yourself.

 

[Corn]

Just when you think global cooling is a done deal (PJABBER says it is, so it MUST be true), those wacky climate-conspirators figure out a way to force a 30 square-kilometer iceberg to calve off Antarctica, break up, and send its children into the shipping lanes off New Zealand.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091123/ts_afp/australianzealandantarcticaclimateiceberg

PJABBER, please call this guy and tell him to stop using that word "warming." He's only a glacialogist, so clearly he doesn't understand that COOLER temperatures make icebergs calve. Come on, explain it to him.

Ban for call out thread.

 

[brblx]

This just in. It's almost summer time in the southern hemisphere. That means warmer temps, that means melting ice.

SHOCKING!

yep, the poles naturally melt in the summer and then refreeze in the winter.




.....oh wait, no they don't.

 

[shira]

And this just in:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/22/east-antarctic-ice-sheet-nasa

Seems like the East Antarctic is melting even faster than those global warming conspirators thought. It's not real, of course, the Antarctic is doing just fine. It's all propaganda. If we just close our eyes and chant "La, la, la, la, la, la, la . . ." it will all go away.

The world's largest ice sheet has started to melt along its coastal fringes, raising fears that global sea levels will rise faster than scientists expected.

The East Antarctic ice sheet, which makes up three-quarters of the continent's 14,000 sq km, is losing around 57bn tonnes of ice a year into surrounding waters, according to a satellite survey of the region.

Scientists had thought the ice sheet was reasonably stable, but measurements taken from Nasa's gravity recovery and climate experiment (Grace) show that it started to lose ice steadily from 2006.

The measurements suggest the polar continent could soon contribute more to global sea level rises than Greenland, which is shedding more than 250bn tonnes of ice a year, adding 0.7mm to annual sea level rises.

Satellite data from the whole of Antarctica show the region is now losing around 190bn tonnes of ice a year. Uncertainties in the measurements mean the true ice loss could be between 113bn and 267bn tonnes.

"If the current trend continues or gets worse, Antarctica could become the largest contributor to sea level rises in the world. It could start to lose more ice than Greenland within a few years," said Jianli Chen, of the University of Texas at Austin.

Chen's team used data from the Nasa mission to see how Earth's gravitational pull varied month to month between April 2002 and January 2009. Measurements taken over the south pole reflect changes in the mass of the Antarctic ice sheets.

The survey confirmed the West Antarctic ice sheet is melting rapidly with the loss of around 132bn tonnes of ice a year, but revealed unexpected melting in the larger East Antarctic ice sheet.

 

[shira]

This just in. It's almost summer time in the southern hemisphere. That means warmer temps, that means melting ice.

SHOCKING!

Yeah. That's why this is a NEWS STORY. Because icebergs appear off of New Zealand every year.

Oh wait, they don't.

 

[Corn]

Yeah. That's why this is a NEWS STORY. Because icebergs appear off of New Zealand every year.

Oh wait, they don't.

You're right, its never happened before! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15765149/ Funny thing that prior to 2006, it was 56 years since icebergs had been spotted in New Zealand. Obviously man made global warming is solely to blame for icebergs.....but somehow they stopped showing up for over a half century........

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Odd. Not 6 months ago scientists were saying this:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/revealed-antarctic-ice-growing/story-e6frg6no-1225700046908

ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.

The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast.

Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month.

However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia.

East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting of Antarctic Treaty nations in Washington noted the South Pole had shown "significant cooling in recent decades"

Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting. "The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west," he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual.

"Ice shelves in general have episodic carvings and there can be large icebergs breaking off -- I'm talking 100km or 200km long -- every 10 or 20 or 50 years."
Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m.

A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded.

I guess it all comes down to which scientists you want to believe?

 

[PJABBER]

I think this will likely help you to understand a bit of what is going on outside of Wonderland and Never Never Land -

Geophysical Research Letters (GRL) publishes short, concise research letters that present scientific advances that are likely to have immediate influence on the research of other investigators. GRL letters can focus on a specific discipline or apply broadly to the geophysical science community.

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2009GL039186.shtml

An updated Antarctic melt record through 2009 and its linkages to high-latitude and tropical climate variability

Marco Tedesco

Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, City College of New York, New York, New York, USA

Andrew J. Monaghan

National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado, USA

A 30-year minimum Antarctic snowmelt record occurred during austral summer 2008–2009 according to spaceborne microwave observations for 1980–2009. Strong positive phases of both the El-Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO) and the Southern Hemisphere Annular Mode (SAM) were recorded during the months leading up to and including the 2008–2009 melt season. The 30-year record confirms that significant negative correlations exist at regional and continental scales between austral summer melting and both the ENSO and SAM indices for October–January. In particular, the strongest negative melting anomalies (such as those in 2008 and 2009) are related to amplified large-scale atmospheric forcing when both the SAM and ENSO are in positive phases. Our results suggest that enhanced snowmelt is likely to occur if recent positive summer SAM trends subside in conjunction with the projected recovery of stratospheric ozone levels, with subsequent impacts on ice sheet mass balance and sea level trends.

Received 13 May 2009; accepted 12 August 2009; published 24 September 2009.

Citation: Tedesco, M., and A. J. Monaghan (2009), An updated Antarctic melt record through 2009 and its linkages to high-latitude and tropical climate variability, Geophys. Res. Lett., 36, L18502, doi:10.1029/2009GL039186.

 

[Lemon law]

We can trace much of the fallacies of this thread to the statement that, "He's only a glacialogist, so clearly he doesn't understand that COOLER temperatures make icebergs calve."

After all, Antarctica has been calving icebergs for hundreds of thousands of years. Although most of them miss New Zealand. And another explanation may also be global warming induced changes in Ocean currents. Lets see, according to the link, this happened before in 2006 and then we have to go all the way back to 1931 to see it happening before.

In short, don't read too much into single events. But its an ill wind that blows no one any good, if the water short Saudis can tow some of the bergs ashore to capture the fresh water, they benefit in having a much shorter towing distance.

The other thing to point out we could have significant global warming in Antarctica and still see a net buildup of antarctic ice at the same time. All that is required is a change in air currents that pump moisture laden clouds into dumping their loads of moisture in the form of snow over central Antarctica.

 

[Lemon law]

accidental double post

 

[Atreus21]

This thread is rank with desperation.

 

[Genx87]

This just in. It's almost summer time in the southern hemisphere. That means warmer temps, that means melting ice.

SHOCKING!

Simple things escape the brainwashed. Ice breaking off Antartica in Summer is scary stuff!

 

[Genx87]

Odd. Not 6 months ago scientists were saying this:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/revealed-antarctic-ice-growing/story-e6frg6no-1225700046908





I guess it all comes down to which scientists you want to believe?

6 months ago it was Winter.

 

[boomerang]

Ban for call out thread.

Seconded.

While he's waiting for the ban, has someone got a paper bag for shira to breath into? It's a good thing to do when you're hyperventilating.

 

[Ausm]

If he get's banned then your better ban P-blowjobber for all his posts too.

 

[Genx87]

If he get's banned then your better ban P-blowjobber for all his posts too.

Does he call people out?

 

[StageLeft]

Holy crap what the hell is an ice berg? You mean pieces of huge ice actually float around the ocean? I am positive these never came along before the industrial revolution, no way.

TLC makes a good point. It's been well documented that Antartica is growing. So if that's being caused by global warming I don't know how that can reconcile with global warming causing these icebergs.

Once again we take a fact:

more than 100 icebergs [off New Zealand]

And then an interpretation of its cause [which it may or may not be]:

as sea and air temperatures rise due to global warming

As with much of this topic individual occurrences are used to further an agenda that ultimately is not interested in contradictory information. This is exactly how one wins a debate in a competition, but it is not how one arrives at ultimate truth, which exists regardless of people's interpretation of it.

 

[JKing106]

Does he call people out?

No, but he bombards the forum with cut 'n paste bullshit from highly partisan joke websites. That should be enough.

 

[spacejamz]

No, but he bombards the forum with cut 'n paste bullshit from highly partisan joke websites. That should be enough.

That isn't against the forum rules here...calling people out in a thread is.

 

[Genx87]

No, but he bombards the forum with cut 'n paste bullshit from highly partisan joke websites. That should be enough.

If that were a bannable offense a lot of people wouldnt be here due to Bush's administration.

 

[boomerang]

No, but he bombards the forum with cut 'n paste bullshit from highly partisan joke websites. That should be enough.

Oh, you'd be fine with it if it was stuff you agreed with. You just don't like opinions that aren't in sync with yours. BTW, if it upsets you that much, ignore him or just plain don't read his posts.

Funny how the left leaners always want dissenting opinions quashed.

'Highly partisan joke websites'. Now there's a statement that could come back to haunt ya.

 

[Fern]

Let's drop the discussion of moderation (which you know doesn't belong here) and pls get back on-topic.

TIA

Fern
Super Moderator

 

[Corn]

No, but he bombards the forum with cut 'n paste bullshit from highly partisan joke websites. That should be enough.

Oh the nerve of him for doing that! Why we just can't be having differing opinions discussed amongst you partisan jokers can we? I feel so sorry that you read something that might offend your silly lefty sensibilities. Damn you're a pussy.