Dad killl son for having sex with tot

[pcslookout]

Um, what?!? Most 15 year olds that I knew were busy trying to get laid with girls of roughly the same age. Don't project your own life experience onto that of others.

Sure there's a bit of a difference, but they're not that far off from each other, and if you're willing to do either one, you're completely fucked in the head.



No one is saying he did. Hell, he could be justified in doing it, and not have the right to do it.

There is plenty of people on this forum right now saying he did have the right to murder his son.

 

[SunSamurai]

no i don't think the kid deserved death. that is not how justice is supposed to work. Hopefully the father sits in jail for life or gets the electric chair.

nobody is saying what the kid did is ok. but there are some that are justifiying it by saying that hormones are so strong they can't control themselves so they mollest kids. i think that is bullshit.

!!!

 

[n yusef]

Waggy, is the fact that you don't molest 3-year-olds due to self-control? or do you have no desire to molest children, and therefore no compulsions that would need to be controlled?

It seems odd to frame pedophilia as a lack of self-control; it seems more like a mental illness.

 

[pcslookout]

Waggy, is the fact that you don't molest 3-year-olds due to self-control? or do you have no desire to molest children, and therefore no compulsions that would need to be controlled?

It seems odd to frame pedophilia as a lack of self-control; it seems more like a mental illness.

That does seem a little odd to me as well.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Exactly. Who in their right mind could kill their own flesh in blood no matter what they did ? Could you really live with that? I know I could not. Killing someone is something no one here will ever be able to know how it feels.

Agreed, anyone who states otherwise either doesn't have children or is a complete moron.

 

[NesuD]

It is bullshit. If you're 15 and you can't stop yourself from doing that, there is something terribly wrong with you. There is no way you can argue that the kid didn't know any better.

Once again you need to reread what I said I never said there wasn't something terribly wrong with him or that he didn't know any better. You guys are either not actually reading or are reading things into it that aren't there.

I am going to apologise to Waggy for calling him a Dumbass and a fool. Most likely he is neither. However I think as some others have pointed he simply doesn't understand what I am saying.

Darkswordsman! You need to take a moment to read what I actually posted. I don't beleive you have or you would have known I didn't say any of what you are attributing to me.

 

[pcslookout]

Agreed, anyone who states otherwise either doesn't have children or is a complete moron.

Yep we are all human.

 

[pcslookout]

Once again you need to reread what I said I never said there wasn't something terribly wrong with him or that he didn't know any better. You guys are either not actually reading or are reading things into it that aren't there.

I am going to apologise to Waggy for calling him a Dumbass and a fool. Most likely he is neither. However I think as some others have pointed he simply doesn't understand what I am saying.

Darkswordsman! You need to take a moment to read what I actually posted. I don't beleive you have or you would have known I didn't say any of what you are attributing to me.

Yeah this is why it is such a lost cause sometimes. You can say stuff until your blue in the face and they will still not get it.

If you ask me I find this more scary than anything.

 

[waggy]

Waggy, is the fact that you don't molest 3-year-olds due to self-control? or do you have no desire to molest children, and therefore no compulsions that would need to be controlled?

It seems odd to frame pedophilia as a lack of self-control; it seems more like a mental illness.

i can agree with that.

I just was saying NesuD saying that 15 yr olds know right from wrong but lack the self control to keep from doing it. that to me is bullshit.

 

[pcslookout]

i can agree with that.

I just was saying NesuD saying that 15 yr olds know right from wrong but lack the self control to keep from doing it. that to me is bullshit.

I think NesuD is actually right. Like he said, I actually read it, everyone is different.

 

[pcslookout]

That being said I still don't agree with what the 15 year old did but we still don't know for sure what that is.

 

[NesuD]

Waggy, is the fact that you don't molest 3-year-olds due to self-control? or do you have no desire to molest children, and therefore no compulsions that would need to be controlled?

It seems odd to frame pedophilia as a lack of self-control; it seems more like a mental illness.

Actually he self control reference came from me. Just so you understand I am not saying the boy wasn't sick that is obvious. I just believe there are many adults that go through life with the same sickness but never act on it because as adults they have achieved a certain level of self discipline that gives them the self control not to act on their urges. These people I believe were just lucky to get through their teenage years when they lacked the self control without doing something terrible. Not that it excuses anything it certainly does not and I never said it did.

 

[darkswordsman17]

There is plenty of people on this forum right now saying he did have the right to murder his son.

I looked back through (granted just the first page) but I didn't see anyone saying he had the right. Some said he could be justified. They are not the same thing.

Once again you need to reread what I said I never said there wasn't something terribly wrong with him or that he didn't know any better. You guys are either not actually reading or are reading things into it that aren't there.

I am going to apologise to Waggy for calling him a Dumbass and a fool. Most likely he is neither. However I think as some others have pointed he simply doesn't understand what I am saying.

Darkswordsman! You need to take a moment to read what I actually posted. I don't beleive you have or you would have known I didn't say any of what you are attributing to me.

I read what you wrote, and you're saying that him being 15 versus 30 makes a difference. I say it doesn't. A 15 year old not being able to keep his hands off someone close to his own age, ok I could see that (not condone it by any means), but a 3 year old? Not at all.

I'm not saying you're defending the guy or saying he's not fucked up, but this is something that a 15 year old would not be doing.

 

[NesuD]

i can agree with that.

I just was saying NesuD saying that 15 yr olds know right from wrong but lack the self control to keep from doing it. that to me is bullshit.

You are again misquoting me. you need to actually read the next sentence.

They know right from wrong but knowing and having the self control for doing are two different things at 15. Yes what the boy did was despicable and most definately deserves an appropriate punishment.

So following your line of reasoning the 15 year old who knew shoplifting was wrong but did it anyway did have the self control to not act on the urge to shoplift. You are completely wrong if you think every 15 year old has the same level of maturity and self discipline that you claim for you had at 15. My point was simply that there is no way a 15 yr old can be held to the same standard as a fully mature adult.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I looked back through (granted just the first page) but I didn't see anyone saying he had the right. Some said he could be justified. They are not the same thing.

Justified: To demonstrate or prove to be just, right, or valid.

I don't think what the father did was justifiable at all. In fact, I think what he did was reprehensible. He deserves to hang for it IMO. Two wrongs do not make a right, nor is any one person in this country allowed to be judge, jury, and executioner. What the father did is not right nor is it justified.

The people who said it could be justified are just plain WRONG.

 

[NesuD]

I looked back through (granted just the first page) but I didn't see anyone saying he had the right. Some said he could be justified. They are not the same thing.



I read what you wrote, and you're saying that him being 15 versus 30 makes a difference. I say it doesn't. A 15 year old not being able to keep his hands off someone close to his own age, ok I could see that (not condone it by any means), but a 3 year old? Not at all.

I'm not saying you're defending the guy or saying he's not fucked up, but this is something that a 15 year old would not be doing.

We will have to agree to disagree than because 15 is most definately different in every way. I agree with you on every other point a 15 yr old should not be doing this and I do not condone what he did by any means even though you seem to be implying that I do. Again my point is that the differences in self discipline between 15 years old and full adulthood are enormous. I speak from experience as a father of 2 boys who are now 20 and 17. While they fortunately never had any issues along those lines they had all the usual symptons of teenage immaturity, lack of self discipline, and poor decisionmaking that go along with being a teenager.

 

[pcslookout]

You are again misquoting me. you need to actually read the next sentence.



So following your line of reasoning the 15 year old who knew shoplifting was wrong but did it anyway did have the self control to not act on the urge to shoplift. You are completely wrong if you think every 15 year old has the same level of maturity and self discipline that you claim for you had at 15. My point was simply that there is no way a 15 yr old can be held to the same standard as a fully mature adult.

Yep waggy keeps comparing himself when he was 15 that is how everyone is at that age. He could not be more than wrong. He just doesn't want to understand that. Though like we said we do not think what he did was right still.

 

[pcslookout]

Justified: To demonstrate or prove to be just, right, or valid.

I don't think what the father did was justifiable at all. In fact, I think what he did was reprehensible. He deserves to hang for it IMO. Two wrongs do not make a right, nor is any one person in this country allowed to be judge, jury, and executioner. What the father did is not right nor is it justified.

The people who said it could be justified are just plain WRONG.

Thank you JulesMaximus. The people who said it is justified are much more scary.

 

[skace]

Again my point is that the differences in self discipline between 15 years old and full adulthood are enormous. I speak from experience as a father of 2 boys who are now 20 and 17. While they fortunately never had any issues along those lines they had all the usual symptons of teenage immaturity, lack of self discipline, and poor decisionmaking that go along with being a teenager.

They probably weren't much better at 18. And some get worse in their 20's. The change seems to be when people start expecting them to be responsible versus what stunts they are usually 'allowed' to pull.

 

[waggy]

Yep waggy keeps comparing himself when he was 15 that is how everyone is at that age. He could not be more than wrong. He just doesn't want to understand that. Though like we said we do not think what he did was right still.

no i am saying that the great majority of 15 yr olds have the self control to NOT MOLLEST A 3 YR OLD.

now am i saying a 15 yr old is as mature as a 30 yr old? hell no. not even close.

 

[bignateyk]

Yep waggy keeps comparing himself when he was 15 that is how everyone is at that age. He could not be more than wrong. He just doesn't want to understand that. Though like we said we do not think what he did was right still.

So what you're saying is you think it's normal in any way, shape, or form to think about having sex with 3 year olds when you are 15? Try again.

 

[pcslookout]

no i am saying that the great majority of 15 yr olds have the self control to NOT MOLLEST A 3 YR OLD.

now am i saying a 15 yr old is as mature as a 30 yr old? hell no. not even close.

Exactly. Glad we finally have good ground.

 

[bignateyk]

no i am saying that the great majority of 15 yr olds have the self control to NOT MOLLEST A 3 YR OLD.

now am i saying a 15 yr old is as mature as a 30 yr old? hell no. not even close.

It's not even about self control. It's the fact that he even thought about it to begin with. Clearly if he is thinking about fucking 3 year olds he's got some issues that go beyond "oh, he's just 15, it'll be ok as long as he doesn't act on it".

Contrary to what pcslookout, sunsamurai, and pedobear would have you believe, thinking about fucking 3 year olds IS NOT NORMAL AT ANY AGE.

 

[waggy]

It's not even about self control. It's the fact that he even thought about it to begin with. Clearly if he is thinking about fucking 3 year olds he's got some issues that go beyond "oh, he's just 15, it'll be ok".

Contrary to what pcslookout, sunsamurai, and pedobear would have you believe, thinking about fucking 3 year olds IS NOT NORMAL AT ANY AGE.

Im not debating that. i fully agree that if you find a 3 yr old attractive then you have issues. what the argument has been about is that nesude said

"The man needs to be locked up for the rest of his life. This was a 15 yr old kid. I hate to burst some of your bubbles but 15 is still a kid. They know right from wrong but nowing and having the self control for doing are two different things at 15."

he does not say the kid has mental problems or such. he says that 15 yr olds lack the self control to NOT MOLLEST a 3 yr old. i said that was bullshit.

 

[BassBomb]

It's not even about self control. It's the fact that he even thought about it to begin with. Clearly if he is thinking about fucking 3 year olds he's got some issues that go beyond "oh, he's just 15, it'll be ok as long as he doesn't act on it".

Contrary to what pcslookout, sunsamurai, and pedobear would have you believe, thinking about fucking 3 year olds IS NOT NORMAL AT ANY AGE.

Unless you are three!