Da Deals (AMD)

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
I have a really sweet 3700+ SD, it's been at over 2.7GHz stable with moderate volts. I wonder if I should sell it and get me one of those chips. I really am debating this. 🙁

Well at least wait until the show up in channel around AMD's new prices. Right now they are still over $450 at sites who actually carry them.
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant...duct_Code=120339&AFFIL=pricewatch&NR=1

Who knows how long? The hot 144's and 146's are just a trickle and AMD introduced them over a month ago.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: xenolith

Originally posted by: TankGuys

Originally posted by: Zebo
..BTW congrats on getting married.🙂...

Thanks! 🙂

Originally posted by: Zebo
What are you talking about tank?

I see $328 listed there for 3800 X2 for 1000 units - guess what retailers are selling them for? That's right $328 or less! $325

You telling me mwave just loves losing $3 a processor?

No, all prices are negotaiable... that's AMD's asking price you work backwards from that.


More proof?

AMD says 3200 is $155 for 1000 units - Mwave losing at least another $3 per processor

AMD says FX-55 is $827 for 1000 units - Mwave losing at least $16 every sale selling them for $811

I think not!

You're right, prices are negotiable to a point. It's possible these places are getting them cheaper, and passing it along. It's also possible they buy them when there are nice promos going; this does happen as well.

My suspicion though is that they sell some units under cost to bring in customers. Remember many of the stores you see selling them below cost also MAJORLY price gouged people for the new processors when they first came out. It's easy to sell an FX chip, which doesn't sell a whole lot, for a loss of $16, when you make $50+ selling hundreds of a popular unit at launch.

On top of that, often companies bank on you comming in and buying that one unit at a loss, but also buying the mobo, memory, etc along with it... so it all evens out.

So really, it's possible they are getting much better prices than the 1,000k tray price, but I kind of doubt it. AMD has trouble meeting demand as it is, so they have no compelling reason to undercut thier prices; they will sell anyway. I suspect it's undercutting by the reseller to bring in business and make a name. Who really knows? 🙂

Don't waste the keystrokes Tank, most people don't seem to get it unless they've been in business for themselves for a while. In fact it's getting so bad here that if you don't sell at or below cost, well then you're price gouging. I wonder if being in the tech industry is even worth it some days...

EDIT: spell check is my friend

Anything easy or with low barriers to entry margins are razor thin. Don't blame me for your problems.


You know who Willie Nelson is right? "mammas don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys.. Let them be Doctors and Lawyers and such" :music:

 

[xenolith]

I have no problem with you Zebo. Where did I blame you for anything?

 

[Zebo]

I meant me as in all "customers" expecting cheap and "we" seem to cause you heart ache and loss which is why you said it's may not worth it anymore.

 

[xenolith]

I was writing in general terms, not you and me specifically. I'm in the industry because i love it. And people can think what they want about the industry.

 

[Markfw]

Well, PCDirect may have had a typo error, but they charged my card and confirmed my order. They owe me my $240 X2 ! They should suck it up, and make good on confirmed orders. If not, I will never buy from them again.

 

[gotkilled]

Hrm..now where can we buy these chips?

 

[Tarrant64]

Zebo, will that first Opteron listed there OC ok to 2.0+ ghz(possibly 2.2?)??? The 1.8 2mb lvl2 cache one. Cause I've been consdering the move to 3800+ X2 but if this will save me some money and I can OC it up to par, I'll do it.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
Zebo, will that first Opteron listed there OC ok to 2.0+ ghz(possibly 2.2?)??? The 1.8 2mb lvl2 cache one. Cause I've been consdering the move to 3800+ X2 but if this will save me some money and I can OC it up to par, I'll do it.

2.0 and 2.2GHz should be no problem for any recent A64(/939 Opteron). 2.4GHz is even very common. It's above that, that you may start running into problems (or at least, "non guaranteed" overclocks). That's my understanding anyway...

 

[Zebo]

Shot out to Doug117 for turning me on to this: You guys keep this on the down low for 24 hours for anandtechers only.


Opteron 165 for $299@mwave

I got one on the way Tarrant.. will let you know. I better get 2.8Ghz.😀

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Shot out to Doug117 for turning me on to this: You guys keep this on the down low for 24 hours for anandtechers only.


Opteron 165 for $299@mwave

I got one on the way Tarrant.. will let you know. I better get 2.8Ghz.😀

hey zebo .. when my water setup comes at the end of the month i will be able to run mine @ 2.8Ghz, otherwise at the moment my xp90 mings around 66+ degrees at full load which is far to high for me .. and that is with the case open :shocked:

 

[Zebo]

Where and when did you get yours?

I am watercooled with huge 3x120 Black Ice Pro III (which BTW is on sale right now at DD for $44) LMK if you need any advice on water setup. I have a great case for sale too brand new cause I accidently ordered 2 by mistake. Lian Li where that rad can fit in top and has boat loads of room.

http://www.achetezfacile.com/lian-li-pc-73-slb-comparer-les-prix-117062.html

I can run 2800Mhz with 4200 but it's sh1tty stepping requireing lots of volts

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Where and when did you get yours?

I am watercooled with huge 3x120 Black Ice Pro III (which BTW is on sale right now at DD for $44) LMK if you need any advice on water setup. I have a great case for sale too brand new cause I accidently ordered 2 by mistake. Lian Li where that rad can fit in top and has boat loads of room.

http://www.achetezfacile.com/lian-li-pc-73-slb-comparer-les-prix-117062.html

I can run 2800Mhz with 4200 but it's sh1tty stepping requireing lots of volts

i got mine from CPUcity.co.uk .. for some reason they had some and no where else did even in the US 😕 in fact they only had 2 a month ago and i nabbed one of them

yeah to hit 2.8 i need about ~1.6, but this chip gets quite hot at that voltage and speed, so water is the only way ..

I have a Coolermaster wavemaster .. i was looking to get the following:

Radiator: DD Black ice Extreme II (2 x 120mm fan)
Pump: DD D5 with 1/2 inch barbes
CPU Block : DD s939 Copper TDX block
Chipset Block: DD Maze 4
GPU Block: DD nv6800


i am not sure what water reservoir to get though, and also what fans to use on the rad, also this will all be on a 1/2 inch hose setup.

ohh and not to mention a dremel to cut the top of my case for the Radiator, this is what has kept me lingering for a while, im not to keen on doing this but what they hey, why not ..

^^ what do you think of the above setup, ok? im looking to get a DFI expert when that comes out with a 7800, so all i will have to do is change the GPU block over.

ive never had one bit of experience with water so hopefully i have a smooth run on my first attempt, thanks if i have any queries ill pass them your way, thanks 🙂

 

[Gamingphreek]

Ok i had to be slowly moved to get an Opteron now can someone convince me to get this over an X2 3800+?

I mean i know it is cheaper and has double the cache but i need some questions answered before i ditch the 3800+ and spring for a 165.

What does the 165 use? Is this core and memory controller better than that of the Manchester 3800+?
Is power consumption/heat ouput roughly the same (of course a little higher due to the extra 1mb of cache)?
Will these work in all regular 939 boards, more specifically the DFI NF4 Ultra-D?
What are the fundamental differences between the 939 opterons and the 939 X2's? Registered RAM? Tweaked core?

Any help would be much appretiated. Additionally, has anyone done benchmarks of the 165 against the X2 3800+?

Thanks!

-Kevin

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Ok i had to be slowly moved to get an Opteron now can someone convince me to get this over an X2 3800+?

I mean i know it is cheaper and has double the cache but i need some questions answered before i ditch the 3800+ and spring for a 165.

What does the 165 use? Is this core and memory controller better than that of the Manchester 3800+?
Is power consumption/heat ouput roughly the same (of course a little higher due to the extra 1mb of cache)?
Will these work in all regular 939 boards, more specifically the DFI NF4 Ultra-D?
What are the fundamental differences between the 939 opterons and the 939 X2's? Registered RAM? Tweaked core?

Any help would be much appretiated. Additionally, has anyone done benchmarks of the 165 against the X2 3800+?

Thanks!

-Kevin

my opteron 165 is an E6 Toledo core (aka 4400+, 4800+ variant) as are all of the dual core opterons, except with a lower multi "x9", i cant really comment on the yield of the processor as i dont know if is actually any better than the X2 Toledo's, but information on my 165 can be found here.

like i stated above i can reach stability at 2.8ghz at ~1.6v, but its far to hot and requires better cooling.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: Zebo
Where and when did you get yours?

I am watercooled with huge 3x120 Black Ice Pro III (which BTW is on sale right now at DD for $44) LMK if you need any advice on water setup. I have a great case for sale too brand new cause I accidently ordered 2 by mistake. Lian Li where that rad can fit in top and has boat loads of room.

http://www.achetezfacile.com/lian-li-pc-73-slb-comparer-les-prix-117062.html

I can run 2800Mhz with 4200 but it's sh1tty stepping requireing lots of volts

i got mine from CPUcity.co.uk .. for some reason they had some and no where else did even in the US 😕 in fact they only had 2 a month ago and i nabbed one of them

yeah to hit 2.8 i need about ~1.6, but this chip gets quite hot at that voltage and speed, so water is the only way ..

I have a Coolermaster wavemaster .. i was looking to get the following:

Radiator: DD Black ice Extreme II (2 x 120mm fan)
Pump: DD D5 with 1/2 inch barbes
CPU Block : DD s939 Copper TDX block
Chipset Block: DD Maze 4
GPU Block: DD nv6800


i am not sure what water reservoir to get though, and also what fans to use on the rad, also this will all be on a 1/2 inch hose setup.

ohh and not to mention a dremel to cut the top of my case for the Radiator, this is what has kept me lingering for a while, im not to keen on doing this but what they hey, why not ..

^^ what do you think of the above setup, ok? im looking to get a DFI expert when that comes out with a 7800, so all i will have to do is change the GPU block over.

ive never had one bit of experience with water so hopefully i have a smooth run on my first attempt, thanks if i have any queries ill pass them your way, thanks 🙂

I don't know where you are going to fit all that stuff in wavemaster.. where are you going to put raditor? There is no space above PSU for top placement.. the case is too short for front placement even hacking away harddrive bays.😕

I would'nt get that pump cause it's noisy. But has a great head... So if performance is what you're after that's where it's at... On the other hand I like these http://coolercases.co.uk/details/wc_ddc_pump.htm
Small and very quiet and medium pumping power.

Resivoir you don't need. Just a T-line.

Rest looks great other than it won't fit.😀

Honestly I'd get this kit with a Gainward 7800GTX already with a water block on it.
http://www.overclockers.com/articles1122/

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: Zebo
Where and when did you get yours?

I am watercooled with huge 3x120 Black Ice Pro III (which BTW is on sale right now at DD for $44) LMK if you need any advice on water setup. I have a great case for sale too brand new cause I accidently ordered 2 by mistake. Lian Li where that rad can fit in top and has boat loads of room.

http://www.achetezfacile.com/lian-li-pc-73-slb-comparer-les-prix-117062.html

I can run 2800Mhz with 4200 but it's sh1tty stepping requireing lots of volts

i got mine from CPUcity.co.uk .. for some reason they had some and no where else did even in the US 😕 in fact they only had 2 a month ago and i nabbed one of them

yeah to hit 2.8 i need about ~1.6, but this chip gets quite hot at that voltage and speed, so water is the only way ..

I have a Coolermaster wavemaster .. i was looking to get the following:

Radiator: DD Black ice Extreme II (2 x 120mm fan)
Pump: DD D5 with 1/2 inch barbes
CPU Block : DD s939 Copper TDX block
Chipset Block: DD Maze 4
GPU Block: DD nv6800


i am not sure what water reservoir to get though, and also what fans to use on the rad, also this will all be on a 1/2 inch hose setup.

ohh and not to mention a dremel to cut the top of my case for the Radiator, this is what has kept me lingering for a while, im not to keen on doing this but what they hey, why not ..

^^ what do you think of the above setup, ok? im looking to get a DFI expert when that comes out with a 7800, so all i will have to do is change the GPU block over.

ive never had one bit of experience with water so hopefully i have a smooth run on my first attempt, thanks if i have any queries ill pass them your way, thanks 🙂

I don't know where you are going to fit all that stuff in wavemaster.. where are you going to put raditor? There is no space above PSU for top placement.. the case is too short for front placement even hacking away harddrive bays.😕

I would'nt get that pump cause it's noisy. But has a great head... So if performance is what you're after that's where it's at... On the other hand I like these http://coolercases.co.uk/details/wc_ddc_pump.htm
Small and very quiet and medium pumping power.

Resivoir you don't need. Just a T-line.

Rest looks great other than it won't fit.😀

thanks for you suggestions

check these:

A Dual rad

Another duall rad, with some major hacking done to the case

or do you think a single fan 1x120mm rad will do??


EDIT: with regards to that pump you have pointed out, would that be sufficient for cooling ?

 

[Zebo]

http://www.coolercases.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=14

Nice I stand corrected.. I did'nt realise you were willing to lose front USB and audio connectivity.. if so that will work great. And no 1 120 is not enough for video and dually. So I'd still get the smaller pump just like person there has since wavemaster will be packed to gills. Another thing is you may want to check out swiftech 6000 for CPU waterblock .. It's the best bang for the buck by far and top will not crack like poly will wehn thermal cycleing.

So

- Black Ice pro II $40
-Swifttech 6000 $40
-DD GPU with derin top $44
-DD DDC-12V $65
- 5 ft 3/8" tubing $7
- T $1

fans..grill.. and copper ram sinks for GPU and you're set.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Zebo
http://www.coolercases.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=14

Nice I stand corrected.. I did'nt realise you were willing to lose front USB and audio connectivity.. if so that will work great. And no 1 120 is not enough for video and dually. So I'd still get the smaller pump just like person there has since wavemaster will be packed to gills. Another thing is you may want to check out swiftech 6000 for CPU waterblock .. It's the best bang for the buck by far and top will not crack like poly will wehn thermal cycleing.

So

- Black Ice pro II $40
-Swifttech 6000 $40
-DD GPU with derin top $44
-DD DDC-12V $65
- 5 ft 3/8" tubing $7
- T $1

fans..grill.. and copper ram sinks for GPU and you're set.

thanks for all of the advise and info zebo, im a total newb when it comes to water, i think since you have mentioned that the DD DDC-12v, is a lot quieter i think i will go for that since quietness is something i have been looking for, for ages ..

if i have any further questions ill be sure to ask you 🙂

thanks

EDIT: that swifttech 6000, looks alright aswell, i can then just get 3/8 tubing on the whole system as to match the pump outlets .. i think this will be good for a first water setup..

 

[bjc112]

The 165 sub $300 is just smoking..

 

[Zebo]

Thank you for turning me on to that first thread...you're gunna make me go get a wavemaster..And shine it up like that dude with the silver one... just awesome I love cases. Have like 7 empty ones around here always looking for something better. Case is #1 to me cause I like being surrounded by beautiful things.🙂

 

[RichUK]

Wavemasters rule 😀 .. i love the way they look, although they are a bit starved for space with regards to a water setup as you can see .. did you see the dual "dual core opteron" SLI water setup, blue Wavemaster rig .. now that is the pure essence of droooll 😛 Although it most likely doesn't OC at all on that mobo, so a bit of a waste

 

[Zebo]

Yea I saw that.. You are going to have some issues though with 1/2 tube and a front install like that.. I know the pictures look good but first of all 1/2 does not bend so well and is huge in person. Use 3/8 it's very managable and no difference on flow either at those low pressures. I'd also install rad in top way more air flow this way.. I mean front has no air flow... You can play with fan direction but more often than not fans blowing in like he has is a bad idea because it's hot air onto your mobo heating up ram and chipset leading to instability for us overclockers. He is a definite artist but function is not geared twards a 2.8Ghz OC.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Yea I saw that.. You are going to have some issues though with 1/2 tube and a front install like that.. I know the pictures look good but first of all 1/2 does not bend so well and is huge in person. Use 3/8 it's very managable and no difference on flow either at those low pressures. I'd also install rad in top way more air flow this way.. I mean front has no air flow... You can play with fan direction but more often than not fans blowing in like he has is a bad idea because it's hot air onto your mobo heating up ram and chipset leading to instability for us overclockers. He is a definite artist but function is not geared twards a 2.8Ghz OC.

yeah, i am most definitely not going to mount it at the bottom that has no functionality and i am most definitely not hacking my hard drive bays for it, ill go with the top mounted rad, also i think i will go with the 3/8 tube, as you have said the 1/2 tubes wont bend as much so when mounting the rad 3/8 will be a better more comfortable fit, and that pump wont require that much flow with 1/2 i guess. Thanks for the enlightenment.

Now I just have to wait till payday, three weeks to go 😀

 

[SickBeast]

Does anyone know if TankGuys sells to Canada? They are not responding to hails.

I'm looking at the 165 Opteron; looks like such a sweet deal.