I'm probably missing a few technologies but of the 4 in the title which do you see as being the leader in HDTV? Plasma is obviously attractive because of its small footprint, but I've heard some horror stories about burn in and the repair costs on those are insane. DLP is very attractive but there's issues for some people with the rainbow effect and there's also the screendoor effect. I'm not to familiar with LCD or D-ILA so I can't really comment on those, but I'm sure they each have their own faults.
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D-ILA vs DLP vs LCD vs Plasma
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purbeast0
No Lifer
i did all this research about 2 months ago when i purchased mine. i ended up going with a DLP. I personally think the Plasma's look the worst, atleast the ones you see in stores. i went to 4 stores (2 CC's, BB, Tweeter). Tweeter is pretty much all higher end stuff than CC and BB, and even in there, plasma's did not look that great. the main marketing scheme for plasmas is the thinness of them. the picture on both LCD (and im talking about RPTV lcd's this entire thread) look better than plasma IMO, as do the DLP's.
i personally went with the samsung 50" dlp for a few reasons. first i was going to go with a DLP due to the black levels on the LCD screens not being as good. however, on LCD's the gray levels (i believe) are better than on DLP's. also, the LCD has a chance of dead pixels which can't be replaced under warranty or anything.
2nd, when i went to stores, the all around picture (again IMO) looked better on the DLP. it just looked more livelier, and on LCD's i would notice some pixelation. i do understand it might ahve been the feed in the store, but i did not notice it as often on the DLP.
i went with the samsung after reading reviews on it and comparing it in stores. it was mainly up against the toshiba dlp. i just chose samsung over personal preference.
i honestly can say i have never seen seen the rainbow effect (nor do i really know what it is), and the screen effect is nowhere to be found (i am not sure if DLP's even suffer from this). no one else has gotten a headache watching the TV either, so i would think the rainbow effect isn't there (i heard it gives headaches to people who can see it) or else it just doesnt bother my friends.
however, i saw the JVC DILA tv in store and man oh man, that tv is NNIICCEE!! if i was willing to shell out another $700 or so at the time, I would DEFINITELY have gotten it. the picture on that thing is AMAZING!
i personally went with the samsung 50" dlp for a few reasons. first i was going to go with a DLP due to the black levels on the LCD screens not being as good. however, on LCD's the gray levels (i believe) are better than on DLP's. also, the LCD has a chance of dead pixels which can't be replaced under warranty or anything.
2nd, when i went to stores, the all around picture (again IMO) looked better on the DLP. it just looked more livelier, and on LCD's i would notice some pixelation. i do understand it might ahve been the feed in the store, but i did not notice it as often on the DLP.
i went with the samsung after reading reviews on it and comparing it in stores. it was mainly up against the toshiba dlp. i just chose samsung over personal preference.
i honestly can say i have never seen seen the rainbow effect (nor do i really know what it is), and the screen effect is nowhere to be found (i am not sure if DLP's even suffer from this). no one else has gotten a headache watching the TV either, so i would think the rainbow effect isn't there (i heard it gives headaches to people who can see it) or else it just doesnt bother my friends.
however, i saw the JVC DILA tv in store and man oh man, that tv is NNIICCEE!! if i was willing to shell out another $700 or so at the time, I would DEFINITELY have gotten it. the picture on that thing is AMAZING!
LCD
The cost reductions of LCD will come much faster than plasma or DLP. D-ILA or LCoS is probably dead since Intel pulled out.
Edit: By LCD I am referring to flat panels not rear projection. FWIW, a new version of Epson's LCD panels for RPTVs should start hitting the market soon. Unfortunately, they did not increase the resolution of the panels with the new version.
The cost reductions of LCD will come much faster than plasma or DLP. D-ILA or LCoS is probably dead since Intel pulled out.
Edit: By LCD I am referring to flat panels not rear projection. FWIW, a new version of Epson's LCD panels for RPTVs should start hitting the market soon. Unfortunately, they did not increase the resolution of the panels with the new version.
The battle will be between LCD and Plasma, because they are the only true FLAT panel technologies. DLP, D-ILA, LCOS, and the new slim-CRT technologies are never going to be truly flat, and while they all have their advantages and might be better from a price standpoint, LCDs and Plasmas will eventually catch-up in terms of black levels, etc.
Between LCD and Plasma, I prefer LCD for resolution. Large 1920x1080 LCD panels should be sub-$4k in about a year.
And lets not forget that we'll be seeing a convergence of computers and televisions over the next few years (ie Media Center PCs will become more mainstream). LCDs are a much better choice for that application.
Between LCD and Plasma, I prefer LCD for resolution. Large 1920x1080 LCD panels should be sub-$4k in about a year.
And lets not forget that we'll be seeing a convergence of computers and televisions over the next few years (ie Media Center PCs will become more mainstream). LCDs are a much better choice for that application.
purbeast0
No Lifer
TV when I first got it
(before i purchased the stand and hooked up my surround sound)
TV as of now with new stand and surround hooked up
(sorry for crappy pics, my digi cam is dead, that is taken w/my digi camcorder.
(before i purchased the stand and hooked up my surround sound)
TV as of now with new stand and surround hooked up
(sorry for crappy pics, my digi cam is dead, that is taken w/my digi camcorder.
Don't know about the future, but I would go with a DLP or traditional television if I had to choose. The picture quality of plasma and LCD is just not good enough to justify the price. Sure, it's pretty dang good, but for the price you pay for LCD or plasma, it should look better in all aspects than equivalent DLP or CRT, which is not the case. In some ways CRT still looks better. DLP is just a great bargain.
purbeast0
No Lifer
aaah awesome! man i LOVED that tv when i was shopping around, I just didn't have the $$$ for it. it was also a LITTLE to big for the area i wanted a tv (look at my 2nd pic, you can see it fits perfectly in its area). however i agree, that tv is breathtaking, by far my favorite tv i saw out of all 4 stores (well aside from some mits at the tweeter store, but they were like 5k).
i honestly don't watch more tv now, but i do watch more movies and stuff. oh and i also tend to watch a lot more discovery stuff from the discovery channel HD thing, watching beavers build dams and what not lol.
normal cable tv looks crappy though, i must admit, but it isnt that bad that i can't watch it. but HD ruins normal tv 🙁
i guess i didn't realize how bad the normal signal was on my 27" tv until i saw the same picture on my 50" one.
Hrmm, those who are voting for plasma, have you seen the new DLPs that are coming out? They're 7" thin.
http://www.tvauthority.com/rca_HD61THW263.asp
http://www.tvauthority.com/rca_HD61THW263.asp
Mr.IncrediblyBored
Lifer
The digital display industry is still too immature to tell who'se going to win. There are too many up and comers to declare just one technology the winner. As plasma and LCD duke it out in the thin panel market, SED and OLED are rearing up to enter the foray. As LCD and DLP fight over projection sales, LCoS is trying to make inroads as a niche player.
I see DLP eventually dominating both rear and front projection technology, much to the chagrin to the LCoS (D-LIA and SXRD) supporters. LCoS might be the superior technology, but while Sony and JVC are busy trying to get yields and volume up to lower prices, DLP will continue to gain marketshare.
Right now plasma is already dominating the thin panel HDTV market and will continue to do so the next couple years. The volume of PDP's have brought prices down considerably over the years. It already has a superior picture to LCD, so they just need to work on making the pixels smaller to get the resolution up for a given panel size. LCD's biggest advantage right now is resolution.
I see DLP eventually dominating both rear and front projection technology, much to the chagrin to the LCoS (D-LIA and SXRD) supporters. LCoS might be the superior technology, but while Sony and JVC are busy trying to get yields and volume up to lower prices, DLP will continue to gain marketshare.
Right now plasma is already dominating the thin panel HDTV market and will continue to do so the next couple years. The volume of PDP's have brought prices down considerably over the years. It already has a superior picture to LCD, so they just need to work on making the pixels smaller to get the resolution up for a given panel size. LCD's biggest advantage right now is resolution.
You forget, LCD panel manufacturing is like semiconductor manufacturing unlike plasmas so you will see huge price cuts on LCDs as the manufacturing technology is upgraded. Just recently, Sharp announced an 8th Gen LCD factory that will put out 75K glass sheets per month that can handle 6 50" panels per sheet. Take a look at the LCD market now. Just recently you've started to see 30" LCDs come down to $1200 in price. It won't be long until 40" get down too with 50" to follow. Plasmas will not see that sort of change. In the end, I think LCDs will win out.
Mr.IncrediblyBored
Lifer
A minor correction, but OLED is actually an emmisive technology. I agree, for home use thin panels like LCD, plasma, etc will reign over projection simply because of ease of use. The future is in emmisive displays like OLED and SED, where the subpixels can be sprayed onto the substrate like an inkjet printer. They should cheaper and faster to manufacture compared to current techniques for LCD. Hopefully OLED hits the market in reasonably sized panels by the end of this decade. The fact that LCD is transmissive is why I'm hoping plasma and eventually SED or OLED win out. I have yet to see a thin panel television or monitor that has the color gamut and contrast (including black levels) that I want - an area where emmisive technologies have a distinct advantage.
And when will that fab come online and how expensive will be, compared a similar generation plasma facility? Link
15,000 glass substrates per month in October 2006. How large and cheap do you think plasma panels will be by this point?
The answer is NONE.
LCD, Plasma, and DLP will each have their own niche, along with SED, OLED, and a bunch of others. LCOS/D-ILA/SXRD may be as strong, but could remain only a bit player.
Usually, in computer type forums, you'll see people thinking LCD will win out over plasma. In home theater forums, people normally think plasma will win out over LCD. LCD manufacturers usually think LCD will win. Plasma manufacturers think plasmas will win. The truth is, both technologies are improving quite rapidly.
LCD, Plasma, and DLP will each have their own niche, along with SED, OLED, and a bunch of others. LCOS/D-ILA/SXRD may be as strong, but could remain only a bit player.
Usually, in computer type forums, you'll see people thinking LCD will win out over plasma. In home theater forums, people normally think plasma will win out over LCD. LCD manufacturers usually think LCD will win. Plasma manufacturers think plasmas will win. The truth is, both technologies are improving quite rapidly.
Mr.IncrediblyBored
Lifer
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If I had to replace my HDTV today I'd probably still look at a CRT based display. All of the technologies have their pros and cons. It's all about finding what's right for you.
There are some really cool technologies being developed that will have the look of CRT but at the size of LCD/Plasma or a thin DLP.
There are some really cool technologies being developed that will have the look of CRT but at the size of LCD/Plasma or a thin DLP.
Koing
Elite Member <br> Super Moderator<br> Health and F
I like Plasma screen. Sure the res isn't as high now but it will be later when more 1900x1080 content is available 😀
The PWD6 Panny 42" is now £1300 in England!
Great screen EVEN though the res is only 854x480 res. Blacks are great imo.
Going to a store to get any tv is a b!tch with the way they set it up. Can make any display look 'poor'. Seen enough badly setup plasma screens.
In England we don't hve any HDTV RPTV out for sale. Or if they do I haven't seen them out in shops as much.
LCD is more expensive then plasma for the bigger screen sizes at the moment. They'll both drop in time but which one more then the other? 😀
LCD has higher resolutions but the blacks aren't the same and the high res making other stuff look bad. Not the technologies fault but just some things.
Plasma some people don't like the blacks.
Koing
The PWD6 Panny 42" is now £1300 in England!
Great screen EVEN though the res is only 854x480 res. Blacks are great imo.
Going to a store to get any tv is a b!tch with the way they set it up. Can make any display look 'poor'. Seen enough badly setup plasma screens.
In England we don't hve any HDTV RPTV out for sale. Or if they do I haven't seen them out in shops as much.
LCD is more expensive then plasma for the bigger screen sizes at the moment. They'll both drop in time but which one more then the other? 😀
LCD has higher resolutions but the blacks aren't the same and the high res making other stuff look bad. Not the technologies fault but just some things.
Plasma some people don't like the blacks.
Koing
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