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Cyanogenmod, Inc Betrayed the Spirit of Android

we were discussing this somewhat in this thread, if you want to read more about it -> http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2343267&page=2

tl;dr - CM is getting big, need to play by some rules (like google CTS)

therefore, it's time to look for/create a brand new modding community (like what CM was a year ago), where devs want to improve on the android platform and not be restrained by those rules
 
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WelshBloke said:
Which begs the question.

Whats the point in a commercial version of CM?
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Exactly, why do we need what will essentially be a self righteous Nexus/GPE edition alternative. Besides most of the work for Cyanogenmod is done by the community which isn't terribly likely to go along with their plans.
 
WelshBloke said:
Which begs the question.

Whats the point in a commercial version of CM?
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I don't deal much in the Android realm, but isn't the point of CM to put a close-to-stock version of Android on devices that are saddled with bloatware and other crap by their manufacturers? Those manufacturers don't necessarily make everything available to the public (e.g. device drivers), so things have to be put together. In some cases, some features never really end up working all that well. Maybe a commercial version will help alleviate that?
 
Aikouka said:
I don't deal much in the Android realm, but isn't the point of CM to put a close-to-stock version of Android on devices that are saddled with bloatware and other crap by their manufacturers? Those manufacturers don't necessarily make everything available to the public (e.g. device drivers), so things have to be put together. In some cases, some features never really end up working all that well. Maybe a commercial version will help alleviate that?
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Thats how it started off.

It was a community ROM that was ported to a wide variety of devices and was free to use as you wanted.
 
What exactly is the "spirit of android"? A way for google to make money? Because that's pretty much how it turned out. In which case, good luck to anyone else who manages to do it.
 
thedosbox said:
What exactly is the "spirit of android"? A way for google to make money? Because that's pretty much how it turned out. In which case, good luck to anyone else who manages to do it.
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Google makes nada from a phone with a base CM install in case you wondered.
 
Aikouka said:
I don't deal much in the Android realm, but isn't the point of CM to put a close-to-stock version of Android on devices that are saddled with bloatware and other crap by their manufacturers? Those manufacturers don't necessarily make everything available to the public (e.g. device drivers), so things have to be put together. In some cases, some features never really end up working all that well. Maybe a commercial version will help alleviate that?
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yeah, and a commercial version of CyanogenMod with proprietary code will help other devs a lot .... (sarcastic comment there)

only two people will benefit: CM will get $, and users who buy the phone will get a clean bloatware-version of AOSP <---- (the phone manufacture could do this too by releasing a GPe-style firmware, instead of through CM). It doesn't help other developers to make other ROMs if the code is closed source




from what other people (and the CM-leads) are saying, CM saw Xiaomi/MIUI earning money through a closed source/proprietary version of android, and want to monetize CM in a similar way
 
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senttoschool said:
Wrong. Unless these phones don't have Google Maps, GMail, Google Search as default search engine, etc, then Google makes money.
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He's being nit picky - hence the "base CM install". The reality is that you're right - most people will install one or more of the google apps.
 
Aikouka said:
I don't deal much in the Android realm, but isn't the point of CM to put a close-to-stock version of Android on devices that are saddled with bloatware and other crap by their manufacturers? Those manufacturers don't necessarily make everything available to the public (e.g. device drivers), so things have to be put together. In some cases, some features never really end up working all that well. Maybe a commercial version will help alleviate that?
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It removes a lot of "bloat" that comes on carrier devices, but it's far from stock. The community usually gets a stock rom out, but CM was pretty heavily modified last time I tried it. Just adds a different flavor of bloat IMO. Usually it removes any and all features that sets that device apart from the competition anyway, so I stopped bothering. Maybe if they manage to get in good with the phone makers to keep that stuff functional it'll be for the better, but if they just need money to stay the current course I'll be disappointed.
 
gorcorps said:
Usually it removes any and all features that sets that device apart from the competition anyway, so I stopped bothering. Maybe if they manage to get in good with the phone makers to keep that stuff functional it'll be for the better, but if they just need money to stay the current course I'll be disappointed.
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And here lies the rub:
If The cm phone is just a stable version of cm built for that phone with manufacturer support, no special stuff - > why would I buy this over nexus 4/GPe phones? Why doesn't the hardware manufacturer simply release an aosp build?

Hardware manufacturer wants cm branding for a reason- I would say that the cm branding is popular amongst tech-savvy people, not people who buy iPhone/doesn't want to customize phone... If you are leveraging the cm brand, you need to offer something special

If cm phone contains some special features proprietary to the phone and not open sourced/merged to the main cm branches... The community would dislike them, and we need a custom cm rom for this cm phone(as xplodwild pointed out in his g+ post)
 
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senttoschool said:
Wrong. Unless these phones don't have Google Maps, GMail, Google Search as default search engine, etc, then Google makes money.
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They don't come with any of those.

You could install copilot maps, Outlook mail, use bing in your (non Google) browser, install amazon marketplace...

There's no reason you have to use any of googles services on CM, people use them because they are the better choice most of the time though.
 
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