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Cut your hair to get a job?

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skywhr

Diamond Member
Should men with long hair have to cut it to get a professional job? I currently work @ an engineering firm and am interested in leaving due to lack of opportunity, pay, work, etc.... I had long hair, I cut it off becuase I could not get a job unless it was something at the mall or whatever and I landed this job. My hair is finally almost the length it was when I cut it.... Should I cut it again since I am looking for a new job? Is this a fair practice? Does anyone do the hiring for their business? Is this something you look down upon?🙁
 
ABSOULTY NOT!!!!


i know a couple of guys that have turned down jobs with the likes of Disney and Compaq becuase they were making them cut there hair (shoulder length or longer) as a conditoin of employment. that's bulls'hit if you ask me.




<< beware of any carrer that requiers a change of wardrobe >>



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It's just a bit unprfessional to most people on the buisnaess world. In a perfect world people wouldn't take such things into account but..... I guess if you want the job bad enough it's a small price to pay. Personally I don't think it's fair but most of life isn't.
 
I had belt length long hair when I started the job I'm at now. I got it cut very short a few years ago because I wanted to. When I got a promotion shortly after I got my hair cut, they told me one of the conditions was to keep my hair short. I don't know if they were kidding of not, I don't plan on growing long hair again.

I've been turned down before from jobs that wouldn't hire long-hairs and didn't feel it was fair then and I don't now either. Even though I've got short hair myself.

PH
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Is it really worth that much to you guys? I understand where you're coming from but turning down great jobs just because you want to keep your hair long seems a bit silly. It may not even show the company is unreasonable - ie, if you're going to be dealing with clients the company you are with may not care but may feel their clients care (many will), and so leaving your hair short is a reasonable expectation.
 
Unless you have a specific medical condition or religious reason, a private company can demand almost anything. I would get a haircut just because it looks more professional and give the interviewer a better impression of you as a person. Does that mean a person with long hair is a irresponsible hippie and those with short hair are dependable employees? Not by a long shot. It it fair to judge a person by their grooming habits? No way but this is corporate America. No matter what they say about &quot;casual environment&quot; always dress in your best suit with a ironed shirt and fresh breath when you interview. Perception counts for alot.

Windogg
 
There is a stereotype that long haired, facial hair, tatoos, piercing (ear ring) for men would mean drugs, liquor, and theft. At the company I am at, we do not hire these types. Our Human Resource department is very particular on who they hire. They also don't hire minorities. If you walked in to our company you would see only WASP type people. I'm not saying it is right, but I am saying we make a hell of a lot of money. Is this the reason why? Not the one reason, but definately in the top 10.

What happens when someone already hired decides to let his hair grow or gets an ear-ring? They are turned down for promotion, not taken to company shows, and other perks. They learn right away right behavior from wrong. If anyone doesn't like it, they can quit and go elsewhere. Very few quit. They like the WASP people here and the money is great. Sort of like a club.
 
Wow, Wangel.

More proof that I should just shoot myself now. Thank God I married the right race and religion!

I've infiltrated the system...

😉
 
<<They like the WASP people here and the money is great. Sort of like a club.>>

And I really do hope that someone sues your company for discrimination one of these days. You will find out how costly it can be....
 
Prior to my employ as a banker type, I was a long hair. Cutting my hair hurt, but ultimately was worth it--my wife didn't much like my long hair either and I was rewarded (and still am) when it got cut.....
 
I've been in charge of hiring IT folks in a couple of area's before, and I can tell you, the answer is YES. It may not be 'fair', and they may not even 'ask' you to cut your hair.... If I'm hiring someone for an entry-level position, I'm not risking much, so I can take a chance on someone that doesn't &quot;look the part&quot;. However, if I'm hiring for someone for a serious position, I have to feel comfortable that I'm getting the right person -- after all, I'm investing lots of money, training etc into that person. I don't have much to go by to really 'know' the person. Personal appearance figures into the equation more than anyone will tell you. Look like a skuzz, and you won't land any serious jobs, unless you're the only one qualified to do it.

The key is to &quot;look the part&quot; for the job you want. If you want to work at a bank as a financial analyst, you'd better show up in a conservative suit, no earrings etc etc, or you won't land the job - regardless of qualifications. The same holds true in other fields as well.

I'm not arguing whether it's &quot;fair&quot; or &quot;just&quot; or good or bad, I'm just stating the facts about how appearance factors into evaluations.
 
What I don't understand is why if you have long hair, you &quot;look like a skuzz?&quot; You could have very nice, long hair in a pony tail and wear a nice suit and not look like a skuzz. I'm just curious as to how this long hair=messy appearance thing works out. As for Wangel's WASP work environment, is sounds more like a cut than anything. If you do something different with your apperance or anything...then we're going to outcast you until you're like us again. Just my contribution.

David
 


<< . Thank God I married the right race and religion! >>



more like sold out to the white boy club....

<boarderline racist remark>
sorry but i cringe every time i see a beautiful latina woman thats married to an white guy...i mean it's such a waste, no white man can truly appriciate a latina woman.
</boarderline racist remark>

i dont really mean that but rather i see and can feel that in many latino men.


WANGLE

you need to tell me where you work so that i can apply get turned down and then sue for racial discrimination. i surprised that they havent been caught already....and it does seem that your defending there practices so since what they are doing is obviuosly and blatantly racist does that make you racist?






 
Unbelievable.

Vince you make a blatantly racist statement and then want to sue someone else for discrimination.

If you don't mean it, don't say it. As Kurt Vonnegut said, &quot;Be careful who you pretend to be, for in the end, you ARE who you pretend to be.&quot;

Any man can appreciate any woman. It doesn't take a white man for a white woman, a black man for a black woman, etc.....

That is incredibly insulting. It should also be noted that Wangel's employer is obviously (depending on the size of the company) in possible violation of several federal statutes.

Racism + racism = good?

I think not.
 
i really wasnt trying to be racist i was simply expressing what i have seen in realtion to what ISLA said, furthermore it was not my intent to insult anyone i just wanted to display an atitude that i have seen i many many latino men....
 
yo dude.. as long as you keep it nice.. i dont see the problem.. you got to aks youself.. if the company wants you to change your image to fit in, is this really a company that you want to werk for? I wouldnt. Im currently on an internship with a pretty good company.. I have my ears and lip pierced and I have fairly long sideburns.. And you know what, Ive been turned down for jobs because I look too aggressive, but I also got outstanding job offers out the yin yang. The most important thing in life is your happyness as yourself. I dont look down on people that change their image to fit in the companys desired roles, to each his own, but personaly if an interviewer gives me the snob look, I say lata, cuz there conformaty is not something i want to surround myself with... I guess you gotta way out whats important to you, and that could be your hair or your job or a combo of both.. anyways
g'luck man 😉
 
No one is entitled to a job with any company. It's their money, investment, training, and liability. They can and should hire who they want.

If their requirements are that you shave your head to work for them, then that's their perogative. If you don't want to shave your head, don't, but don't expect that company to have to pay you to make your own fashion statement when they want their employees to make another.

Some people act like it's terrible that they can't express themselves in a way that makes them feel comfortable; but on the other hand, it's a crime for a business to want to express themselves in a way that will make their clients or their owners feel comfortable.
 
bigvince bent over, spread his cheeks and out came:



<< sorry but i cringe every time i see a beautiful latina woman thats married to an white guy...i mean it's such a waste, no white man can truly appriciate a latina woman. >>



That is the one of the most moronic thing I've ever heard. Did ya even stop to think that a &quot;white guy&quot; married a latina woman because he truely appreciates her?



<< ....i really wasnt trying to be racist.... >>



Ya know, it doesn't matter if you were trying to be racist--the fact of the matter is that you are racist.

Now my question to the mods are, will bigvince be banned for his racist comments? I would certainly be disappointed to see that it's ok to make racist anti-white comments here while banning and supressing other's voices because they might have inadvertantly said something (intentional or not) that could be construed as racist towards people of color.
 


<< Some people act like it's terrible that they can't express themselves in a way that makes them feel comfortable; but on the other hand, it's a crime for a business to want to express themselves in a way that will make their clients or their owners feel comfortable. >>



no its not a crime.. if they want to encourage everyone to look like what they want.. all the power to them, i guess its THIER company... but, there are more and more companys nowdays encouraging employees to express themselves. I have freinds on both sides of the court, and i can say that the ones who do decide to conform, defintely have the feeling that they are lacking appreciation within their firms, and its proven that a werker is most efficient when happy. soo whatever..

ive been starting a little side project myself, a mini business, and all the people involved have tatoos or piercings of some type.. and let me tell you, the talent I've seen from these people far surpasses any of my collegues at previous jobs.. white shirt types def get pissy and jealous when they see the type of werk we can produce.. anyways im drifting here..
 
I've had long hair all my life and the only time it has been an issue is when I had an interview at Rockwell. I was asked if I would cut my hair to collar length. I said no. That was the end of it. I was still hired and had bno problem with my co-workers. Sure, I get alot of wierd looks from the older people who think I'm some kind of hippy but thats there problem and as long as I do my job as best as I can nobody will say a thing.
 


<< Ya know, it doesn't matter if you were trying to be racist--the fact of the matter is that you are racist. >>



you obviously know nothing white boy....

bigvince, and with a statement like that, you're obviously outta here!


AnandTech Moderator





you have made an assumption as to my beliefs from one sentance from one post out of the 1000+ posts ive made here. You dont know who i am, yet your able to know if im racist or not.

and another thing .... you will never know what it is like to be minority and therefore cannot comment on how i came to say the things i said.


my ultimate underlieing point was that being hispanic in america is really hard harder than being black or any other race because you can never satisfy either group. for the hispanics your not spanish enough and for the whites your not american enough it's a no win situation. so when people see a white man with a hispanic woman the spanish people say that she sold out and the white people say that he's sluming. ive seen it too amny times for it to not be true and that is what i was tryig to say before you jumped up on your soapbox started calling me a racist and went crying to the mods that Vince is a racist and should be banned. think thing through before you post.
 


<< you obviously know nothing white boy.... >>



And you know even less........by referring to me as &quot;white boy&quot; and saying things like &quot;all whites...blah, blah blah....&quot; and &quot;you've sold out to the white boys club&quot;...you show, with overwhelming evidence that you are a racist and you keep compounding that racism with racist comment after racist comment. Your &quot;one sentence&quot; does define you as a racist--obviously someone that isn't racist would never utter such comments.

What I find even more disturbing is your apparent rationalization of your behavior because of the &quot;unfairness&quot; of you being born of the &quot;race&quot; you are. You are a hypocrite, you whine about how much racism has affected your life, but then exhibit the very same behavior yourself.



<< ...my ultimate underlieing point was that being hispanic in america is really hard harder than being black or any other race because you can never satisfy either group. >>



No vince, your ultimate underlying point (rather ironic how you misspelled &quot;underlying&quot;, very telling--freudian slip perhaps?) was exactly what you said--white boys can't possibly appreciate a latina woman. How you can equate what I just quoted from you with what you originally said? You can't and now you are trying to back pedal by adding non-existant hidding underlying meanings....

Here's a thought, how about you think things through before you say something stupid and reveal your own racism and hypocracy for all to see.
 


<< How you can equate what I just quoted with what you originally said? >>





what i said earlyer

<< white boys can't possibly appreciate a latina woman >>

was not my opinon on anything, i said it to display the attitude that is prevalent among hispanic men today, i said that before. it's funny how you seem to omit anything in my posts that refutes your point.




<< You &quot;one sentence&quot; does define you as a racist--obviously someone that isn't racist would never utter such comments. >>




i dissagree. im willing to bet that everyone here has uttered a racist coment at some point or another, weather they ment it or not. I am not racist yet i do utter racist comments in jest of racists.


i think you need to lighten up .......white boy.
 
CoolTechie,

I believe that if you're running a business in which creativity and initiative are valued, you would be much better off disposing of any dress code. You're not going to be very competitive if the people working for you can be easily assimilated.

On the other hand, if you're running a business in which protocol must be followed, you'd be foolish to hire someone who won't play by the rules. Say like a law firm. They know a lawyer who shows up for court in jeans and a tie-dye T-shirt is going to be thrown in jail for contempt by the judge and that's not going to do the firm or the client any good.

I just don't care for the notion that some people have that they should be able to have everything their way or somebody's gonna have to pay.
 
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let me explain something that i have just realized. I was born and raised in Chicago IL USA which if you dont know is prolly one of the MOST racialy segregated cities in the nation. when i was a kid I grew up in a predominantly Korean nieghborhood and alot of my friends were Koren as was my first girlfriend. now Koreans have an intrinsic sense for isolationism (at least the adults did) and seeing as i had been accepted into thier culture I may have picked some of that up. also the niehgborhoods in this town are very very segregated. everybody knows what hood the blacks live in,the polocks, the hispanics,the assyrians and so on. now i learned at a very young age that i was not welcome in certain neiborhoods, because when i went there i was greeted with dirty looks and comments such as &quot;damn spics&quot;. so growing up in such an enviorment taugt me to be racist without me even knowing the effect that my enviorment has had on me. and it wasnt uncommen for me to greet my white friends with &quot;whats up white boy&quot; and for them to respond with &quot;nothing bean boy&quot; and it was accepted language. so while some of my commetns mave have been takin as raceist i certanly am not although i have had a very hard time coming to terms with my belifes.
 
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