Customers injured in the black friday event are sueing

[piasabird]

Since Walmart is making the money from the sale of items then Walmart is making money off of murder and mayhem. It is their property, and it is their responsibility to maintain a safe environment for the employees, and the public. The state should have moved in and shut them down for the next two shopping weeks and say that the store was unsafe to go to. Hurt them where it counts.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The solution is simple: pass out random wrist bands to people waiting outside the store. Then randomly select numbers and allow small amounts of people into the store in the order they are called. Establish some basic security - a few extra guards would suffice.

Jesus fucking christ, Wal-Mart is a multi-bazillion dollar corporation and here I am, some average joe, solving their problems on the interwebs for free.

It's not that difficult people, really it's not.

And what are a few extra guards supposed to do against the mob?

Did you notice the first part of my plan? Evidentally not. See bolded.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The solution is simple: pass out random wrist bands to people waiting outside the store. Then randomly select numbers and allow small amounts of people into the store in the order they are called. Establish some basic security - a few extra guards would suffice.

Jesus fucking christ, Wal-Mart is a multi-bazillion dollar corporation and here I am, some average joe, solving their problems on the interwebs for free.

It's not that difficult people, really it's not.

And what are a few extra guards supposed to do against the mob?

Did you notice the first part of my plan? Evidentally not. See bolded.

And when they get unruly and rush the store as they did last week?

 

[SigArms08]

All that for a darned sale on crap that's not even necessary....imagine how fun it will be if food shortages ever come about.

Ravenous f-ing dogs, those clowns rushing into Walmart. Such greed and complete selfishness.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Cogman
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CR...mpling.suit/index.html

What on earth are these people thinking. "Humm, A stranger beats me up. Im walking into a walmart. Who should I blame? Clearly it is walmarts fault?"

On the bright side, maybe now walmart can legally put in electric fences and arm their employees with cattle prods.

Do you think that walmart could counter sue these people for actively participating in mass-hysteria or being an accomplice to the death of one of their employees?

Who do you *think* was responsible for providing crowd management for safety?

Your analogy to a mugging is ridiculous. Crowd management != mugger crime.

You seem to have no clue about how crowd problems like this happen, where there's no 'intent' to stomp people to death, there's simply danger if the crowd isn't spread out.

The crowd isn't in charge of crowd control, to bring their own bullhorns and set up the system. Each person may play some tiny role by being there, but it's mainly Wal-Mart.

What exactly could they do to prevent people from rushing the door? They can have everyone line up, and they can try to let them in one by one, but as soon as the doors open the assholes in the back are going to rush the door.

They could do what other stores do. They put up some form of barrier that keeps people in a line and pass out tickets for the high value items. Or they could just let in people in groups of 20-30 again based on where they are in some line.

Are you noticing the theme here? Wal-mart is the only major retailer that I am aware of that does nothing in the way of trying to organize the crowds to make it a more orderly or less dangerous mob-like atmosphere. They deserve to be sued b/c they continue to allow this year after year.

Putting up any kind of barrier that would be effective against a mob of people would create a dangerous situation. Now you have a mob of people in a confined space, and no one can get out.

The reason this always happens at Walmart is because of the type of people who shop there.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The solution is simple: pass out random wrist bands to people waiting outside the store. Then randomly select numbers and allow small amounts of people into the store in the order they are called. Establish some basic security - a few extra guards would suffice.
Jesus fucking christ, Wal-Mart is a multi-bazillion dollar corporation and here I am, some average joe, solving their problems on the interwebs for free.

It's not that difficult people, really it's not.

And what are a few extra guards supposed to do against the mob?

Did you notice the first part of my plan? Evidentally not. See bolded.

And when they get unruly and rush the store as they did last week?

Dude! Are you f'ing dense? That's where the 2nd part of my plan comes into play. See bolded again. Sheesh, do I have to lead you around by the nose here or what?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The solution is simple: pass out random wrist bands to people waiting outside the store. Then randomly select numbers and allow small amounts of people into the store in the order they are called. Establish some basic security - a few extra guards would suffice.
Jesus fucking christ, Wal-Mart is a multi-bazillion dollar corporation and here I am, some average joe, solving their problems on the interwebs for free.

It's not that difficult people, really it's not.

And what are a few extra guards supposed to do against the mob?

Did you notice the first part of my plan? Evidentally not. See bolded.

And when they get unruly and rush the store as they did last week?

Dude! Are you f'ing dense? That's where the 2nd part of my plan comes into play. See bolded again. Sheesh, do I have to lead you around by the nose here or what?

They would need dozens of cops with riot gear, and then they'd probably get sued for using tear gas on the mob. A few extra guards would just get trampled.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: winnar111
And when they get unruly and rush the store as they did last week?

Dude! Are you f'ing dense? That's where the 2nd part of my plan comes into play. See bolded again. Sheesh, do I have to lead you around by the nose here or what?

So walmart security guards are supposed to contain hundreds of people.....how?

Of course, if the security guard gets beaten up, you'd suggest that he should sue walmart too.......

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Cogman
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CR...mpling.suit/index.html

What on earth are these people thinking. "Humm, A stranger beats me up. Im walking into a walmart. Who should I blame? Clearly it is walmarts fault?"

On the bright side, maybe now walmart can legally put in electric fences and arm their employees with cattle prods.

Do you think that walmart could counter sue these people for actively participating in mass-hysteria or being an accomplice to the death of one of their employees?

Who do you *think* was responsible for providing crowd management for safety?

Your analogy to a mugging is ridiculous. Crowd management != mugger crime.

You seem to have no clue about how crowd problems like this happen, where there's no 'intent' to stomp people to death, there's simply danger if the crowd isn't spread out.

The crowd isn't in charge of crowd control, to bring their own bullhorns and set up the system. Each person may play some tiny role by being there, but it's mainly Wal-Mart.

What exactly could they do to prevent people from rushing the door? They can have everyone line up, and they can try to let them in one by one, but as soon as the doors open the assholes in the back are going to rush the door.

There are many methods that work. The fact that 99% of the stores on black friday had no problem like this shows that it can be done. There are lottery system, there is how the people are spaced out, there is having a fire marshall present, there is giving a speech to the crowd and not opening the doors until they're calm and spaced, all kinds of ways.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
So you are asking for them to change their business model based on people's stupidity.

Yes, You are asking for perfectly easy and reasonable solutions to saves lives not to be implemented because you have drunk so much ideological kool-aid you are blinded.

 

[SlickSnake]

According to cell phone pics taken at the Black Panthers, I mean Black Friday civil rights rally outside Wallyworld, 98% of the participants were afrocentric. That's right. They were celebrating Obama's victory in the only way they knew how, by trampling each other to death and breaking down doors to buy a cheap set of $1.50 towels.

And Wallyworld is 100% responsible for crowd control. They should have made them stand far enough away from the doors to prevent this from happening and only allowed 100 at a time into the store or something. Failure to control this MOB, and that's clearly what it was, was Wallyworlds fault. All they had to do was call a crap load of cops when they saw the mob start to grow unmanageably large and get hostile before they ever even rushed the doors before they were open.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
According to cell phone pics taken at the Black Panthers, I mean Black Friday civil rights rally outside Wallyworld, 98% of the participants were afrocentric. That's right. They were celebrating Obama's victory in the only way they knew how, by trampling each other to death and breaking down doors to buy a cheap set of $1.50 towels.

And Wallyworld is 100% responsible for crowd control. They should have made them stand far enough away from the doors to prevent this from happening and only allowed 100 at a time into the store or something. Failure to control this MOB, and that's clearly what it was, was Wallyworlds fault. All they had to do was call a crap load of cops when they saw the mob start to grow unmanageably large and get hostile before they ever even rushed the doors before they were open.

It has nothing to do with race or Obama, you idiotic racist. You might have missed that the guy killed was a black employee who reportedly heroically tried to save a pregnant woman.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
According to cell phone pics taken at the Black Panthers, I mean Black Friday civil rights rally outside Wallyworld, 98% of the participants were afrocentric. That's right. They were celebrating Obama's victory in the only way they knew how, by trampling each other to death and breaking down doors to buy a cheap set of $1.50 towels.

And Wallyworld is 100% responsible for crowd control. They should have made them stand far enough away from the doors to prevent this from happening and only allowed 100 at a time into the store or something. Failure to control this MOB, and that's clearly what it was, was Wallyworlds fault. All they had to do was call a crap load of cops when they saw the mob start to grow unmanageably large and get hostile before they ever even rushed the doors before they were open.

It has nothing to do with race or Obama, you idiotic racist. You might have missed that the guy killed was a black employee who reportedly heroically tried to save a pregnant woman.

The circumstances leading to this happening has everything to do with race, you idiotic racism denier. And I hardly consider myself a racist since I voted for Obama and I was a delegate for him at the Democratic caucus. For your information.

The Wal-mart stampede, caught on camera

Tell me what you see here in these pics. Any white people? Hard to say, maybe 2 or 3 out of hundreds? What does that tell you?

And I will tell you something else. Where I live, it's mostly whites and Mexicans and the Wallyworlds allow the customers into the store prior to BF deals being offered because we do not act like a stampede of bloodthirsty savages when the deals are offered at 5:00am.

The fact this store made these AfricanAmericans wait outside was their attempt at crowd control because they knew how these people had acted in the past at this store, and they were trying to mitigate this unruly gang like behavior, and unfortunately Wallyworld failed in this case.

Maybe next BF they will block off the entire parking lot with barbed wire chain link and make them pass single file through metal detectors and past armed national guard troops before they buy cheap PS3s with stolen credit cards to resell on Craig's list.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
The circumstances leading to this happening has everything to do with race, you idiotic racism denier.

The Wal-mart stampede, caught on camera

Tell me what you see here in these pics. Any white people? Hard to say, maybe 2 or 3 out of hundreds? What does that tell you?

And I will tell you something else. Where I live, it's mostly whites and Mexicans and the Wallyworlds allow the customers into the store prior to BF deals being offered because we do not act like a stampede of bloodthirsty savages when the deals are offered at 5:00am.

The fact this store made these AfricanAmericans wait outside was their attempt at crowd control because they knew how these people had acted in the past at this store, and they were trying to mitigate this unruly gang like behavior, and unfortunately Wallyworld failed in this case.

Maybe next BF they will block off the entire parking lot with barbed wire chain link and make them pass single file through metal detectors and past armed national guard troops before they buy cheap PS3s with stolen credit cards to resell on Craig's list.

You're disgusting, and I'm not going to bother with you. You're not going to comprehend things like the fundamental flaws in your logic however clearly they're explained, I suspect.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
The circumstances leading to this happening has everything to do with race, you idiotic racism denier. And I hardly consider myself a racist since I voted for Obama and I was a delegate for him at the Democratic caucus. For your information. (fixed it for you)

The Wal-mart stampede, caught on camera

Tell me what you see here in these pics. Any white people? Hard to say, maybe 2 or 3 out of hundreds? What does that tell you?

And I will tell you something else. Where I live, it's mostly whites and Mexicans and the Wallyworlds allow the customers into the store prior to BF deals being offered because we do not act like a stampede of bloodthirsty savages when the deals are offered at 5:00am.

The fact this store made these AfricanAmericans wait outside was their attempt at crowd control because they knew how these people had acted in the past at this store, and they were trying to mitigate this unruly gang like behavior, and unfortunately Wallyworld failed in this case.

Maybe next BF they will block off the entire parking lot with barbed wire chain link and make them pass single file through metal detectors and past armed national guard troops before they buy cheap PS3s with stolen credit cards to resell on Craig's list.

You're disgusting, and I'm not going to bother with you. You're not going to comprehend things like the fundamental flaws in your logic however clearly they're explained, I suspect.

Yea, truth is pretty disgusting, isn't it?

And you were so hot to play the race card on me and see what I posted to your response, that you didn't include my updated post I made a few minutes later in your quote.

Also understand that I voted for Obama and support him fully. But that don't mean I also agree with the racial politics of a lot of other brothers who voted for Obama, too.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
We are so spoiled in the U.S. The lefties like to talk up about how rich the rich are, how poor the poor are, and what a terrible country we have become. These stories just remind us exactly how wealthy we are. Sure the rest of the world has mobs and people racing for things, trampling over others in their way - but those in other country are fighting over things like food & water. We trample other people for big-screen plasma tvs. 😛

Why even mention political ideologies in a story like this?

Originally posted by: cubby1223
You can't sue people who cannot be identified by the shoddy security cameras. And you can't expect those trampled to bear the full medical costs. But suing the store could force the retail industry to rethink black friday safety.

I hope it does. In this case the employee was not properly protected and was killed as a result. The employer is liable and I'm guessing will either settle out of court or lose if it gets there.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
According to cell phone pics taken at the Black Panthers, I mean Black Friday civil rights rally outside Wallyworld, 98% of the participants were afrocentric. That's right. They were celebrating Obama's victory in the only way they knew how, by trampling each other to death and breaking down doors to buy a cheap set of $1.50 towels.

And Wallyworld is 100% responsible for crowd control. They should have made them stand far enough away from the doors to prevent this from happening and only allowed 100 at a time into the store or something. Failure to control this MOB, and that's clearly what it was, was Wallyworlds fault. All they had to do was call a crap load of cops when they saw the mob start to grow unmanageably large and get hostile before they ever even rushed the doors before they were open.

You could have dropped the N-bomb and your post wouldn't be any less racist.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
According to cell phone pics taken at the Black Panthers, I mean Black Friday civil rights rally outside Wallyworld, 98% of the participants were afrocentric. That's right. They were celebrating Obama's victory in the only way they knew how, by trampling each other to death and breaking down doors to buy a cheap set of $1.50 towels.

And Wallyworld is 100% responsible for crowd control. They should have made them stand far enough away from the doors to prevent this from happening and only allowed 100 at a time into the store or something. Failure to control this MOB, and that's clearly what it was, was Wallyworlds fault. All they had to do was call a crap load of cops when they saw the mob start to grow unmanageably large and get hostile before they ever even rushed the doors before they were open.

It has nothing to do with race or Obama, you idiotic racist. You might have missed that the guy killed was a black employee who reportedly heroically tried to save a pregnant woman.

The circumstances leading to this happening has everything to do with race, you idiotic racism denier. And I hardly consider myself a racist since I voted for Obama and I was a delegate for him at the Democratic caucus. For your information.

The Wal-mart stampede, caught on camera

Tell me what you see here in these pics. Any white people? Hard to say, maybe 2 or 3 out of hundreds? What does that tell you?

And I will tell you something else. Where I live, it's mostly whites and Mexicans and the Wallyworlds allow the customers into the store prior to BF deals being offered because we do not act like a stampede of bloodthirsty savages when the deals are offered at 5:00am.

The fact this store made these AfricanAmericans wait outside was their attempt at crowd control because they knew how these people had acted in the past at this store, and they were trying to mitigate this unruly gang like behavior, and unfortunately Wallyworld failed in this case.

Maybe next BF they will block off the entire parking lot with barbed wire chain link and make them pass single file through metal detectors and past armed national guard troops before they buy cheap PS3s with stolen credit cards to resell on Craig's list.

FFS voting for Obama doesn't mean you aren't a racist so apparently it is YOU that is the racism denier. Racist.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: Robor

FFS voting for Obama doesn't mean you aren't a racist so apparently it is YOU that is the racism denier. Racist.

Everyone is a racist to some degree. If claim you are not supportive of your race, you are a forum hypocrite.

I have many different races in my blood including native American, you know, those harmless friendly Indians that had whole villages slaughtered to steal their land. Of course, the Indians finally learned about the murderous white devils and fought back, but it was too little and too late, sadly.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Cogman
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CR...mpling.suit/index.html

What on earth are these people thinking. "Humm, A stranger beats me up. Im walking into a walmart. Who should I blame? Clearly it is walmarts fault?"

On the bright side, maybe now walmart can legally put in electric fences and arm their employees with cattle prods.

Do you think that walmart could counter sue these people for actively participating in mass-hysteria or being an accomplice to the death of one of their employees?

Who do you *think* was responsible for providing crowd management for safety?

Your analogy to a mugging is ridiculous. Crowd management != mugger crime.

You seem to have no clue about how crowd problems like this happen, where there's no 'intent' to stomp people to death, there's simply danger if the crowd isn't spread out.

The crowd isn't in charge of crowd control, to bring their own bullhorns and set up the system. Each person may play some tiny role by being there, but it's mainly Wal-Mart.

What exactly could they do to prevent people from rushing the door? They can have everyone line up, and they can try to let them in one by one, but as soon as the doors open the assholes in the back are going to rush the door.

They could do what other stores do. They put up some form of barrier that keeps people in a line and pass out tickets for the high value items. Or they could just let in people in groups of 20-30 again based on where they are in some line.

Are you noticing the theme here? Wal-mart is the only major retailer that I am aware of that does nothing in the way of trying to organize the crowds to make it a more orderly or less dangerous mob-like atmosphere. They deserve to be sued b/c they continue to allow this year after year.

Putting up any kind of barrier that would be effective against a mob of people would create a dangerous situation. Now you have a mob of people in a confined space, and no one can get out.

The reason this always happens at Walmart is because of the type of people who shop there.

Wal-mart is required to provide riot control. They just need to provide crowd control. All they need was a rope line going around the building forcing the people to be in single file.

No dangerous situation created and if people get out of line tell them to leave.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Robor

FFS voting for Obama doesn't mean you aren't a racist so apparently it is YOU that is the racism denier. Racist.

Everyone is a racist to some degree. If claim you are not supportive of your race, you are a forum hypocrite.

I have many different races in my blood including native American, you know, those harmless friendly Indians that had whole villages slaughtered to steal their land. Of course, the Indians finally learned about the murderous white devils and fought back, but it was too little and too late, sadly.

Whatever. You can try to justify the racist statements you made in this thread but it's complete fail.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Cogman
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CR...mpling.suit/index.html

What on earth are these people thinking. "Humm, A stranger beats me up. Im walking into a walmart. Who should I blame? Clearly it is walmarts fault?"

On the bright side, maybe now walmart can legally put in electric fences and arm their employees with cattle prods.

Do you think that walmart could counter sue these people for actively participating in mass-hysteria or being an accomplice to the death of one of their employees?

Who do you *think* was responsible for providing crowd management for safety?

Your analogy to a mugging is ridiculous. Crowd management != mugger crime.

You seem to have no clue about how crowd problems like this happen, where there's no 'intent' to stomp people to death, there's simply danger if the crowd isn't spread out.

The crowd isn't in charge of crowd control, to bring their own bullhorns and set up the system. Each person may play some tiny role by being there, but it's mainly Wal-Mart.

What exactly could they do to prevent people from rushing the door? They can have everyone line up, and they can try to let them in one by one, but as soon as the doors open the assholes in the back are going to rush the door.

There are many methods that work. The fact that 99% of the stores on black friday had no problem like this shows that it can be done. There are lottery system, there is how the people are spaced out, there is having a fire marshall present, there is giving a speech to the crowd and not opening the doors until they're calm and spaced, all kinds of ways.

99% of walmarts didn't have a problem.... so maybe it's not about the store, but rather the customers?

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Robor

FFS voting for Obama doesn't mean you aren't a racist so apparently it is YOU that is the racism denier. Racist.

Everyone is a racist to some degree. If claim you are not supportive of your race, you are a forum hypocrite.

I have many different races in my blood including native American, you know, those harmless friendly Indians that had whole villages slaughtered to steal their land. Of course, the Indians finally learned about the murderous white devils and fought back, but it was too little and too late, sadly.

Whatever. You can try to justify the racist statements you made in this thread but it's complete fail.

You are complete fail by failing to acknowledge your own racist shortcomings in the process of calling someone else a racist when you don't have a clue, pal.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

99% of walmarts didn't have a problem.... so maybe it's not about the store, but rather the customers?

Exactly. Well, 99.9% of Waldomarts didn't have a problem, but close enough.

So I guess that statement makes you a racist too, brother. 😉

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

99% of walmarts didn't have a problem.... so maybe it's not about the store, but rather the customers?

Exactly. Well, 99.9% of Waldomarts didn't have a problem, but close enough.

So I guess that statement makes you a racist too, brother. 😉

No, it makes me a realist. I don't care who the people were or what color they were because it doesn't matter in this case against Walmart. Whether white, black, brown, or purple - the people involved were at fault here - not Walmart.