Customer gets Arrested...Failure to show reciept to Store Employees

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Hahaha I love this. People don't give a shit when something like the Patriot Act is passed once again, but it's time to draw the line when the big, bad retailer asks for a receipt at a store.

Well most people are reactionary. The won't react till it affects them personally...


sad but true...

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: smack Down
I think the 4th would apply to the rent a cop asking a for a receipt. The 4th protects against wrongful arrest, and the rent a cop would be acting on behalf of the state is when arresting a person.

Again, I'm speaking only of the case where the store notifies the customer prior to purchase that they must show their receipt and allow their bag to be checked as a condition of the sale. I don't know if that is the case here, but I'm speaking more in generalities than about this specific incident. How can a search be unreasonable if you consent to it? If you don't consent to the search, you don't make the purchase.

If CC had some signage stating this, then it would be a different story. This particular CC doesn't so it is a moot point.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: smack Down
I think the 4th would apply to the rent a cop asking a for a receipt. The 4th protects against wrongful arrest, and the rent a cop would be acting on behalf of the state is when arresting a person.

Again, I'm speaking only of the case where the store notifies the customer prior to purchase that they must show their receipt and allow their bag to be checked as a condition of the sale. I don't know if that is the case here, but I'm speaking more in generalities than about this specific incident. How can a search be unreasonable if you consent to it? If you don't consent to the search, you don't make the purchase.

Such a sign would make no difference. They still can not detain someone. Breaking such a contract would not be a crime. it would be a civil matter and they would be with in their rights to sue you to make you produce the receipt.

 

[Venix]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: smack Down
I think the 4th would apply to the rent a cop asking a for a receipt. The 4th protects against wrongful arrest, and the rent a cop would be acting on behalf of the state is when arresting a person.

Again, I'm speaking only of the case where the store notifies the customer prior to purchase that they must show their receipt and allow their bag to be checked as a condition of the sale. I don't know if that is the case here, but I'm speaking more in generalities than about this specific incident. How can a search be unreasonable if you consent to it? If you don't consent to the search, you don't make the purchase.

I agree that a merchant should be allowed to enact whatever rules he wants. But that still doesn't give the merchant the right to forcibly detain the customer, even if the customer intentionally reneges on the agreement.

If I enter into a contract with someone and then breach it, he can not detain me or use physical force to make me perform. That's what civil courts are for.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: KK
Maybe that cop will get shot soon.

:shocked:😱


wow...that is just wrong dude...on so many levels🙁

Well if a cop was going to get shot, I rather it be someone like this cop than a good cop.

 

[pulse8]

Talk about making a fuss over nothing. I can't believe this is what this guy spends his time doing. He's an idiot. Plain and simple.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
What the hell is wrong with some people? Showing a receipt is so simple. Why not just show it, then be on his merry way? I think some people just have one goal in mind, to start trouble.

I'm sorry not every can be personal attack deleted.

Haha, thats got to be the funniest thing I've read in a while. You're joking right, aren't you? I sure hope so, because, wow, that's absolutely ridiculous. It sure takes a lot of courage to stand up to a "security" guard at a store and refuse to show your receipt, and then waste both your own and everyone else's time with getting the police involved. Next time I'm feeling cowardly, I'll keep that in mind, that way I can get back to feeling like a complete badass.

Hey keep taking it up the ass when ever a rent a cop ask. Enjoy

 

[waggy]

err he was not arrested for refusing to show a reciept. so why are people still talking about that? he was arrested for refusing to show ID.

 

[jlee]

Perhaps I'm missing something -- but where are you guys getting 'rent-a-cop' from?

 

[imported_LoKe]

Smack down, are you going to say "rent a cop" in every post you make?

 

[MrPickins]

Dumbass should have shown his ID to the cop (even though he didn't have to). It would only help his case against CC.

 

[elmro]

Originally posted by: waggy
err he was not arrested for refusing to show a reciept. so why are people still talking about that? he was arrested for refusing to show ID.

It is not illegal to not show ID. The only thing you are required to provide by law is your name, address, and birth date.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: MrPickins
Dumbass should have shown his ID to the cop (even though he didn't have to). It would only help his case against CC.

That's what I was about to say. What a freaking moron. If he'd have shown his ID to the cop, the cop likely would have told the CC people they were in the wrong.

But no, he wants to not only prove a point to the CC people, but the police, too.

So he's going to spend lots of mony on attorney fees, etc, and at the end of it all, stores like that will still be checking people's bags and receipts, and cops will still be asking for ID's.

And he'll still be an idiot.

 

[PokerGuy]

I hope the guy ends up suing CC, he's definitely going to have a case. The cop appears to have been ignorant of the law. Then, when they (the cops) realized they didn't have anything to charge him with and didn't want to look like complete fools, they came up with some bogus charge. Of course, that charge is not going to stick, but now the guy has to spend money on hiring a lawyer to defend himself against the bogus charge.

Either way, in Ohio you do not have the obligation to show a receipt, and certainly not in the parking lot of the store. Even at private 'club' stores like Costco the agreement states that you are obliged to show your receipt before you leave -- they can't come after you in the parking lot unless they have evidence that you shoplifted. Basically, what CC did was unlawful detention, if I were him I'd be hiring a lawyer to sue them.

Just because it's "no big deal" or "for a good reason" does not mean people should give up their lawful rights, and they can certainly not be forced to give up those rights.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: MrPickins
Dumbass should have shown his ID to the cop (even though he didn't have to). It would only help his case against CC.

That's what I was about to say. What a freaking moron. If he'd have shown his ID to the cop, the cop likely would have told the CC people they were in the wrong.

But no, he wants to not only prove a point to the CC people, but the police, too.

So he's going to spend lots of mony on attorney fees, etc, and at the end of it all, stores like that will still be checking people's bags and receipts, and cops will still be asking for ID's.

And he'll still be an idiot.

yeah i agree he is a idiot. i can see refusing to show the reciept. thats bullshit that they attempt to force you to.

but to refuse to show it to a officer? he can arrest you! heh

though i bet the idiot wins. law says he does not have to show it. but no doubt he was being a dick about it. and the cop was pissed at being out there for nothing.

but anyway most either did not read the link or do not understand it. he was not arrested for not showing the reciept.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: MrPickins
Dumbass should have shown his ID to the cop (even though he didn't have to). It would only help his case against CC.

That's what I was about to say. What a freaking moron. If he'd have shown his ID to the cop, the cop likely would have told the CC people they were in the wrong.

But no, he wants to not only prove a point to the CC people, but the police, too.

So he's going to spend lots of mony on attorney fees, etc, and at the end of it all, stores like that will still be checking people's bags and receipts, and cops will still be asking for ID's.

And he'll still be an idiot.

The law of that state SPECIFICALLY says that people do NOT need to show ID to an officer. If it did not mention it then I would say you may be right. As it is, the government of that state decided for whatever reason that citizens are NOT supposed to show ID.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
I hope the guy ends up suing CC, he's definitely going to have a case. The cop appears to have been ignorant of the law. Then, when they (the cops) realized they didn't have anything to charge him with and didn't want to look like complete fools, they came up with some bogus charge. Of course, that charge is not going to stick, but now the guy has to spend money on hiring a lawyer to defend himself against the bogus charge.

Either way, in Ohio you do not have the obligation to show a receipt, and certainly not in the parking lot of the store. Even at private 'club' stores like Costco the agreement states that you are obliged to show your receipt before you leave -- they can't come after you in the parking lot unless they have evidence that you shoplifted. Basically, what CC did was unlawful detention, if I were him I'd be hiring a lawyer to sue them.

Just because it's "no big deal" or "for a good reason" does not mean people should give up their lawful rights, and they can certainly not be forced to give up those rights.

he sues CC he will lose. they didnt arrest him or have him arrested. The idiot was arrested for failure to show ID to a officer.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
I hope the guy ends up suing CC, he's definitely going to have a case. The cop appears to have been ignorant of the law. Then, when they (the cops) realized they didn't have anything to charge him with and didn't want to look like complete fools, they came up with some bogus charge. Of course, that charge is not going to stick, but now the guy has to spend money on hiring a lawyer to defend himself against the bogus charge.

Either way, in Ohio you do not have the obligation to show a receipt, and certainly not in the parking lot of the store. Even at private 'club' stores like Costco the agreement states that you are obliged to show your receipt before you leave -- they can't come after you in the parking lot unless they have evidence that you shoplifted. Basically, what CC did was unlawful detention, if I were him I'd be hiring a lawyer to sue them.

Just because it's "no big deal" or "for a good reason" does not mean people should give up their lawful rights, and they can certainly not be forced to give up those rights.

he sues CC he will lose. they didnt arrest him or have him arrested. The idiot was arrested for failure to show ID to a officer.

He was illegal detained by CC prior to the illegal arrest by the police. He can sue both parties for their illegal acts.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
I hope the guy ends up suing CC, he's definitely going to have a case. The cop appears to have been ignorant of the law. Then, when they (the cops) realized they didn't have anything to charge him with and didn't want to look like complete fools, they came up with some bogus charge. Of course, that charge is not going to stick, but now the guy has to spend money on hiring a lawyer to defend himself against the bogus charge.

Either way, in Ohio you do not have the obligation to show a receipt, and certainly not in the parking lot of the store. Even at private 'club' stores like Costco the agreement states that you are obliged to show your receipt before you leave -- they can't come after you in the parking lot unless they have evidence that you shoplifted. Basically, what CC did was unlawful detention, if I were him I'd be hiring a lawyer to sue them.

Just because it's "no big deal" or "for a good reason" does not mean people should give up their lawful rights, and they can certainly not be forced to give up those rights.

he sues CC he will lose. they didnt arrest him or have him arrested. The idiot was arrested for failure to show ID to a officer.

He was illegal detained by CC prior to the illegal arrest by the police. He can sue both parties for their illegal acts.

while true it won't go anywhere.

now the suit against the police is one thing. i think he will win and win a decent chunk of money.

 

[dartworth]

The cop should know the law and realize this person did not have to show him ID...

 

[thepd7]

Of course you should show them your receipt, it's so easy. Also, your should give the FBI permission to tap your phone because hell, if they ever have to go through the court and all that it's SO MUCH HASSLE. Go ahead and have them bug your house while you are at it, if you aren't doing anything wrong what does it matter? Don't be a dick and make people actually respect your rights, that's for bitches.



Yes I know they aren't the same but it IS the same principle. I do show my receipt at Fry's because it doesn't bother me to give up that part of my rights, but I sure as hell am not going to chastize someone for not wanting to do the same. That's just plain stupid.

 

[BoomerD]

As with the TigerDirect thread, I agree that the guy could have avoided the entire incident by just showing his receipt to the rent-a--cop who asked for it, but if the law doesn't REQUIRE it, nor allows them to detain you for refusing, then he was within his rights to do so, PLUS, if Ohio law doesn't REQUIRE him to show his driver's license if he's not driving or in physical control of a car, then he was within his right to refuse that as well...
NO, it perhaps wasn't the smartest thing to do, but WTF? WHY should we have to be subject to arrest for refusing to show identification? Unless state law REQUIRES identification upon demand, all that is REQUIRED is that you identify yourself.
"My name is John Doe
I live at 123 Anywhere Drive
Bumfuck Egypt.

That's all.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: RedCOMET
Hey all.... Excuse the Subject title and summary, Its been a long day driving and this was the best I could come up with.

So in homage of the Customer refuses to show receipt when exiting Tigerdirect store thread, I have a Fraternity brother who got arrested for something in directly related to not letting Circuit City staff check his reciept of stuff he purchased.

Blog Link

Now I don't personally know the gent, but I'm on emails list and so I read his blog entry... Civil rights and all that jazz, etc.

The key thing though, is that he called the cops to assist him, and then when he failed to show the cops his ID, when asked for it, he refused... apperently you can do that in Ohio.

Lots of interesting info in the blog post about what he was arrested for vs what he was charged with.

So, considering peoples responses from the Tiger Direct thread, would any of you change your minds after reading what the statutues/code say....

US Supreme Court has ruled that it's legal for cops to stop u and ask for ID for no reason.

intersting.. did he know that u can refuse to show ID to cops in Ohio?

 

[CasioTech]

I don't buy that guys' bs. The cops always do things wrong too. Both were jackoffs. I also don't believe he has 'overwhelming' response. What else will he write to get donations, that no one cares? He will probably get money if he hires an attorney. Pretty much anyone can if they have some reason to feel harassed by big business.

The guy is a rich bastard. He wanted to belittle the loser at the front of the store by pretending he's scum whilst passing. That is why he wants to start a fight. Like some internet trolls but IRL.

 

[Agentbolt]

US Supreme Court has ruled that it's legal for cops to stop u and ask for ID for no reason.

Cite the case, please? I'm pretty sure that's not true. Again, some people don't HAVE ID. You are never legally required to furnish it. Some people walk without their wallets, or don't have State IDs, or whatever. This guy was the passenger in a car, there was no reason to insist on an ID, and that's why if the guy decides to pursue a case against the Police Department he will likely receive a settlement or win outright.

edit: Obviously if you're driving the cops can ask for your driver's license, which is ID. That's to prove you have the right to drive though, not for ID purposes.