Custom build question

[Shinnywolf]

my bad you mean solid state drive i assume. didnt go for one as they are quite pricey for small storage drives

 

[lehtv]

it has its own front fans but surely its just a box for the conponents and wont make that much difference

That's true, but quality and features come into play when you start upgrading parts or even upgrading everything inside. A good case can last over several builds, and while that's possible for a noname plastic case as well, the chances for that are lower. You're more likely to run into problems with a low quality case when upgrading.

my bad you mean solid state drive i assume. didnt go for one as they are quite pricey for small storage drives

Yeah, meant a Solid State Drive. But they're not storage drives... they're performance drives. You only need to fit your OS and the main programs on it to get a huge boost to responsiveness and "snappiness". Things just happen with much less delay than from a HDD install. If you don't have a set budget, you should definitely consider a 60GB/64GB SSD. It'd be useful for interacting with resource-heavy audio and video conversion/editing tools

just reading through the mobo manual and the bios gives the option for overclocking.

It seems like you can make minor adjustments to the base clock of an unlocked CPU and boost frequency of a locked CPU. In any case the range of possible multipliers will be very limited

 

[Shinnywolf]

seems like a option, is there any particular brands to look for or avoid because there seems to be a big difference in price between brands for the same size drive

 

[lehtv]

Still unsure about what country you're located in. :0

 

[Shinnywolf]

im in the uk, what relevance does that have to brand lol

<<<<<<<<< just for you lol

 

[lehtv]

UK is pretty good for availability and selection, obviously, but in some deeper corners of the world you have more limited choice. It also makes a difference because the relative pricing of brands and models depends on location, and some locations like the US often have special deals and manufacturer rebates on products that make them temporarily better choices than the competition.

pcpartpicker.com/uk is a good place to determine which drive is good value at the moment, of course knowing the strengths and weaknesses of different drives. Lots of manufacturers use one or the other Sandforce controller which has a bit of a reputation with unreliability. That probably has changed a bit over time with new revisions and firmware updates, but I think it's still a good reason to stick to non-Sandforce drives like Samsung 830, Crucial M4 and OCZ Vertex 4. Especially seeing as there are no significant differences in price at the 60/64GB capacity.

At the moment, your best choice is Samsung 830 64GB for £51.

 

[Shinnywolf]

fair enough, thought you were gonna pop round for a coffee lol

seriously tho, i take it that the samsung 830 for £51 is gonna be better quality\reliablity than a sandisk ultra sata 2 120gb ssd for £64

 

[lehtv]

Yes . With SSD's, quality/reliability (and in this case speed) matters more than capacity, as long as it's big enough to fit your OS and programs.

Edit: one thing though... your board doesn't support SATA 6gb/s, which somewhat nullifies the differences between a 6gb/s Samsung 830 and a 3gb/s Sandisk. That's just the maximum bandwidth so it limits the maximum speed, but 830 will still be faster, especially with very small files where the 3gb/s limit doesn't saturate anyway.

 

[Shinnywolf]

its just insane how prices vary. ive just been checking around different suppliers as im always after a bargain and the same ssd can be priced up £105 lol
how can they justify the large price differences. your link seems to be the cheapest so far

haha ive found it for 4p cheaper

 

[lehtv]

Yeah I know. Some shops just thrive on customers that are unaware of sites like pcpartpicker

 

[Shinnywolf]

ok so here is the new and hopefully last updated components list

corsair CX600 V2 600W builder series PSU

Envizage E-3393 Black Blue ATX Gaming PC Tower Case

Gigabyte H61M-D2H-usb3 micro atx socket 1155 motherboard

Intel i5 2400 processor

artic freezer pro rev2 cpu fan

Corsair XMS3 CMX16GX3M4A1333C9 RAM Module - 16 GB (4 x 4 GB) - DDR3 SDRAM - 1333 MHz DDR3-1333/PC3-10666 - Non-ECC - Unbuffered - CL9 - 240-pin DIMM

1tb seagate barracuda hd

samsung 830 series 64gb SSD

radeon HD 7770 graphics card

PCI N 300Mbps Wireless /WiFi Lan Card

liteon ihas 524 dvd rom

windows 7 ultimate 64bit

so i think thats finally it, hopefully its all good and will run sweet:\

 

[lehtv]

7770 = 6790 + 10%, FYI

It'll consume slightly less power and overclock better as well.

 

[Shinnywolf]

7770 = 6790 + 10%, FYI

It'll consume slightly less power and overclock better as well.

even tho the 7770 is only a 128bit
i always thought higher bitrate was better graphics but then again since ive started this thread ive found out i dont really know as much as i thought i did^_^

 

[lehtv]

The rest of the specs: 7770 vs 6790

Core clock: 1000MHz vs 840MHz
Memory data rate: 4.5 GB/s vs 4.2 GB/s
Memory bandwidth: 72 GB/s vs 134.4 GB/s
Architecture: GCN vs TeraScale 2

Based on performance per clock, the 7770 should be more than only 10% faster, the memory bandwidth probably drags it down a bit. Not sure how much more efficient the new architecture is.

 

[Shinnywolf]

Thanks for the info, that clears that up I think lol

So low bitrate high spec is better than high bitrate low spec?

 

[lehtv]

Spec just stands for "specification", usually used in plural i.e. specs.

Do you mean whether core clock speed is more important than memory bandwidth? The answer would seem to be yes . But as I said I don't know how much difference the architecture makes. Maybe someone else can give you a clearer answer

 

[Shinnywolf]

Lol by spec I was just generalising

I mean higher core clock and memory data rate is more important than bitrate

 

[Shinnywolf]

Thanks again for all the advice guy or girls.
If I can just pick your brains again, what ram combination performs best 4x4gb or 2x8gb?

 

[lehtv]

2x8GB is always better but usually more expensive. The less modules, the less likely you are to run into any problems, and leaves two slots free. But if you have no plans for more than 16GB, it's fine to get 4x4GB just to save some cash

 

[Shinnywolf]

Thanks lehtv for coming to my aid again I Understand that less parts means less problems but is the any performance difference between the combinations as I don't mind paying the extra £10 for 2x8gb if it's going to provide a noticeable difference.

 

[lehtv]

There's no performance difference given identical RAM clock speeds and timings, and even with different specs you would not notice a difference outside of benchmarking.

 

[Shinnywolf]

Ok that's good to know. Cheers

 

[Shinnywolf]

Hi guys, I need to pick your expert brains again.

I've finally got all my parts, upgraded a few from the list

ok so here is the new and hopefully last updated components list

corsair CX750M PSU

Envizage E-3393 Black Blue ATX Gaming PC Tower Case

Gigabyte H61M-D2H-usb3 micro atx socket 1155 motherboard

Intel i5 3570k processor

artic freezer pro rev2 cpu fan

Corsair XMS3 CMX16GX3M4A1333C9 RAM Module - 16 GB (4 x 4 GB) - DDR3 SDRAM - 1333 MHz DDR3-1333/PC3-10666 - Non-ECC - Unbuffered - CL9 - 240-pin DIMM

1tb seagate barracuda hd

samsung 830 series 128gb SSD

radeon HD 7770 graphics card

PCI N 300Mbps Wireless /WiFi Lan Card

liteon ihas 524 dvd rom

windows 7 ultimate 64bit

Ok my problem is when I turn the pc on it boots fine but I get a continuous beep. I've checked the motherboard manual but it has no reference to beep codes so I did a google search and got lots of conflicting info about what may be causing it.
I've tried swapping the ram slots and booting with only one stick in every slot but still the same.
I took the processor out and re fitted it, still the same.
I've removed everything but the processor, fan and ram. Still the same.

Any ideas?
This continuous beep is frustrating

 

[Shinnywolf]

My bad. I've sorted it. My case has built in fans that power from 4 pin molex so no need for system fan. Went into bios settings and disabled system fan warning beep and all sorted
Happy days