CUSL2?

[LXi]

Syborg1211:

Extra cooling most likely wont be needed. Unless you're using the on-chip video, which tend to overheat when overclocked, but I doubt you will use it, so there wont be any need for a chipset heatsink.

 

[Syborg1211]

So the MSI it is! 110 at Onvia is making the board really attractive right now. Plus, I can get my SX1030b along with that also. Total will be a tad bit over 200 bucks. Gotta love it.

 

[LXi]

Great, Im glad you made the right decision.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

LXi: At least Mike can make a recommendation based on actually owning and using the product(s) in question ! hehe ...

 

[Midnight Rambler]

Syborg: I'd go with the chipset cooler, nothing fancy, $2-3 tops.

 

[LXi]

<<At least Mike can make a recommendation based on actually owning and using the product(s) in question ! hehe ...>>

You bash the MSI as if you have used it, but I doubt you have seen it in person. So this is a moot point. Mike's experience proves my opinions worthy, thats all.

 

[Wingznut]

I didn't see Midnight Rambler bash MSI at all... At least not on this thread.

 

[LXi]

Ok not on this thread, but he's making false statements about the MSI so the CUSL2 will appear superior. I suggest him stop doing that unless he has used both motherboards.

 

[Wingznut]

Sorry Lxi, but I still don't see it. If you are referring to having to set the jumper to go beyond 133mhz... Well that is a factor for many people, including myself.

I don't get it, but you seem to take the 815E-PRO vs. CUSL-2 debate very personally. It's no big deal which board someone else chooses.

I personally chose the CUSL-2 over the 815E-PRO, simply because of brand loyalty. I've had excellent experiences with Asus boards before, and didn't feel like &quot;experimenting&quot; with a different brand. I just ordered an MSI for a system I am building for someone else, where price was definitely more of a concern, and overclocking is not an issue.

 

[LXi]

<<Sorry Lxi, but I still don't see it. If you are referring to having to set the jumper to go beyond 133mhz... Well that is a factor for many people, including myself.>>

Ok maybe Im wrong, but he IS speaking against the 81E Pro because of his CUSL2 ownership, and if its not bias, I dont know what it is. In the earlier threads similar to this, they fed me with spoonful of MSI bashes and thats what I remember them saying. You'd know if you participated in one of those threads.


<<I don't get it, but you seem to take the 815E-PRO vs. CUSL-2 debate very personally. It's no big deal which board someone else chooses.>>

I cannot stand people knowing only one side of the story bashing the other side with unjustified reasons. Ask a CUSL2 zealot, ask them if they've even seen the 815E Pro in person, the answer is no 9 out of 10 times. They fired it up with tons of positive critics for CUSL2 and tons of negative critics for 815E Pro, that's call card-stacking. Oh yea and their attitude, they don't like anyone saying anything negative about the CUSL2, they do not accept the fact that there is a equally good or better board than the CUSL2, if you say anything not in their favor, you'd get your ass flamed.


<<I personally chose the CUSL-2 over the 815E-PRO, simply because of brand loyalty. I've had excellent experiences with Asus boards before, and didn't feel like &quot;experimenting&quot; with a different brand. I just ordered an MSI for a system I am building for someone else, where price was definitely more of a concern, and overclocking is not an issue.>>

Personally, I own Asus boards, however I had experience with the MSI boards in many occations. Im totally satisfied with Asus, never had a problem with them. Same thing with MSI, they've always been trouble free, and they never stopped working. Im not biased towards either brands because they're both tops in my book. That statement of yours over there? It sounds like all MSI has is price, and nothing else, it also sounds like the MSI is an inferior overclocker compare to the CUSL2 and therefore it should only be chosen when OCing is not an issue.

 

[Wingznut]

See, you read WAY too much into my statement. You automatically decide that it's meant in a negative way towards the MSI board, almost as if you were looking to find that angle.

All I meant was that I knew the CUSL-2 was a good overclocker, but (to me) the 815E-PRO was a mystery. If I were building this other system to overclock, by all means it would have a CUSL-2 in it. Simply because the CUSL-2 has proven itself TO ME, whereas the 815E-PRO hasn't had the chance. An overclocked system is a whole different animal than one running at default speed, and it's not worth the $30 to me to go with something I have no experience with.

Relax. Not everyone is against the 815E-PRO, and even if they were... no big deal. Unless of course you have some sort of financial stake in their decisions.

&quot;Ask a CUSL2 zealot, ask them if they've even seen the 815E Pro in person, the answer is no 9 out of 10 times.&quot;
If I'm not mistaken, I remember in another thread... You mentioning that you've used neither a CUSL-2, nor a 815E-PRO.

 

[Wingznut]

And I'm sorry, but nowhere in this thread does Midnight Rambler speak &quot;against the 81E Pro&quot;.

 

[LXi]

<<If I'm not mistaken, I remember in another thread... You mentioning that you've used neither a CUSL-2, nor a 815E-PRO.>>

Well, you are mistaken, I said I used both motherboards.


<<And I'm sorry, but nowhere in this thread does Midnight Rambler speak &quot;against the 81E Pro&quot;.>>

Oh so do you think he's speaking for the 815E Pro then? Its either for or against. He's not for it, so what else can he be?


Edit I retract all my statements about anyone bashing the MSI board.

Look, I understand how much you're in love with your CUSL2, and I respect your preference with all my regards. But I think you CUSL2 zealots should respect the opinions of the others in return.

 

[subhuman]

Tom's opinion of these 815 boards..

The only thing bad he had to say was that it wasn't rock-solid at 166mhz if you plan on running an overclocked EB chip to get maximum FSB action, then you will want to get some sort of chipset cooler.

The ASUS was solid up to 166mhz and beyond in Tom's testing.

The price of the MSI is outstanding and I would buy an MSI board, it is second only to the ASUS as far as brands I personally like.

 

[Syborg1211]

Heh, if push comes to shove I will just pull the heatsink off my old Be6-2 and slap it on there.

 

[Wingznut]

&quot;Its either for or against.&quot;

See, that's your problem right there. It's not that one has to choose sides. Jeez, it's only a piece of hardware.

And since when did I not respect your opinions?

As a matter of fact, I have already ordered a MSI for another system (because as you pointed out, they are priced lower), so how you can call me a zealot... I have no idea.

 

[LXi]

<<See, that's your problem right there. It's not that one has to choose sides. Jeez, it's only a piece of hardware.>>

Why dont you apply the same idea to those zealots who also happen to take this as serious as me? So whats your problem with people being serious? Is there anything wrong with that?


<<And since when did I not respect your opinions?>>

Im talking to the CUSL2 zealot community in general, not specifically to you.


<<As a matter of fact, I have already ordered a MSI for another system (because as you pointed out, they are priced lower), so how you can call me a zealot... I have no idea.>>

I never said you disrespected my opinions, I also never called you a zealot, but if you want to admit that you are, thats totally fine with me.

 

[Radboy]

Dang, this thread is nearing the magic 100-post mark.

Fact remains that the CUSL2 wa the *only* 815e board that Mike could get to run with all 3 RAM slots full. That's why he rated it tops in his 815e round-up.

Nobody is saying the 815e is a bad board. I haven't heard one person say that. But most folks who actually own &amp; use a CUSL2 will (gladly) say they love the board. Does that make them a zealot?

You don't own the MSI board, so most folks are not going to put as much credence in your opinions as they do the person who does.

Have you run any of those MSI boards with all 3 RAM slots full?

Just to make sure I have sppt'ing linkage, here is where Mike says:

quote: &quot;Once again, we found that 3 DIMM's were not stable at 133 MHz.&quot; unquote

The CUSL2 has it's own web site, where users can go to get answers to any question they have .. chances are someone else has already has an answer to any prob they might have. The MSI board does not have the grass-roots sppt of the CUSL2.

The only (real) advantage I can of the MSI board over the CUSL2 is price .. &amp; that's a valid point .. but you have to ask yourself, &quot;Is the lower price of the MSI board due to econmic factors of (high) supply &amp; (low) demand?&quot;

 

[LXi]

We ran 2 sticks of 128MB at 133MHz, with a 700E overclocked to 933 with more headroom left. I have not tried 3 DIMMS on neither 815E Pro and CUSL2, we didnt need to. 2DIMMs are enough for everybody.

While I do agree, the Asus board capable of doing 3 DIMMs 133MHz is certainly impressive, and it definitely is a positive thing. But I will wholeheartedly disagree that the MSI board not capable of running 3 DIMMs 133MHz is a con. Why? Simple, because its not their fault, its a limitation of the i815E chipset itself and they're not obliged to get around it, nor should they be blamed for that. I applaud Asus' effort to get around the limitation, but I just dont think its fair to blame that on the MSI.

The MSI has more than just the price, it's got a couple of features that the Asus doesnt have, again, for the Nth time, their D-LED and FuzzyLogic. Most importantly the clearance around the socket, which is one of the severe disadvantages of the CUSL2. Since you always quote Gamersdepot for their excellent Iiyama review, I suggest you refer to their 815E Pro/CUSL2 reviews, there is a reason why they gave the MSI 6 drips and the Asus 4.5.

815E Pro review
&quot;Looking at the screen below you can see that we were able to crank up our PIII 933 up to a 149Mhz Bus, which yielded an overall clock speed of 1043!! This is the furthest we?ve been able to take any motherboard to date in the GD labs with just standardized cooling!&quot;

&quot;With the best overclocking ability we've seen to date, very robust features, and plenty of expansion slots, the 815E Pro has now become our point-of-reference i815 board to which others in future reviews will be judged by.&quot;

CUSL2 review
&quot;The only thing that could potentially be in your way is the hefty capacitors that may prohibit you from slapping on some of the larger heatsinks out there.&quot;

&quot;Overall, ASUS has another winner on their hands in terms of great stability and having a full set of features, however it didn?t quite clock up as high as the MSI 815E Pro did that we looked at last week.&quot;

CUSL2.com is a great web site, I never refuse to take a stand on that. If I have the money and resource I'd be glad start the 815epro.com.

 

[Radboy]

Everybody makes mistakes from time to time.

 

[LXi]

Of course, that Iiyama review was definitely a mistake.

 

[LXi]

What does it take for us to become friends, Radboy? I admitting CUSL2 is the absolutely superior of all i815E? If thats all it takes?

 

[Radboy]

What makes you think we're not friends already?

 

[LXi]

Hm... good point.

 

[Wingznut]

Well, I hate you both!!!

So, what are you guys gonna do for me so that we can be friends?