Current job problem! I need some feedback please! Is this unfair to you!?

BarMan

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This is just my little moan, rant, and b_tch about one of my current jobs. I'm a student at the State University of West Georgia (never heard of it, not a huge school, but it's getting bigger) and I work two campus jobs for the school. At one of my jobs I'm a computer lab assistant and work in two general usage labs, this is for the Arts & Sciences Information Technology Services Department of campus. At the other job of mine I'm (well was... let me finish) a networking student supervisor, this is for the main Information Technology Services Department on campus. These are two different departments one being normally called A&S Tech Support and the other being normally called ITS. Now I've been at this school since January 1999 and I'm gonna give you a layout of my work here on campus:

Jan 1999 - Began working for ITS
July 2000 - Quit working for ITS
Jan 2001 - Began working for A&S
Jan 2002 - Re-Hired at ITS, still working at A&S

That's the basic layout of my hiring and work here on campus and here's where my ranting starts off. Like I said I was re-hired at ITS in a networking student supervisor position with two newly hired students under me (one male, Adam Sewell, qualified more in networking and databases and one female, Andrea Collier, qualified in telephone equipment and services). I was sought after for this job because I've previously worked for ITS here on campus. I was hired in at $7.50/hr and the two students were hired in at $6.00/hr due to our qualifications. The reason for me leaving the first time was due to my boss. Since I began working there my boss, Vedat Gunay, didn't like me and didn't trust me, for what reasons I'm still unsure of but all of faculty constantly told this to me. After putting up with him for a year and a half I decided to just quit and be done with him and ITS.

The reason I went BACK to work with ITS was for that $7.50/hr pay AND that I didn't have to report to Vedat Gunay because I was working directly for the telecommunications area of ITS which is under the direction of John Stogner. After doing our job for about a month and a half (and doing it so effecient that we're ahead of schedule by three months) we hear on one friday by our boss that our pay rates were being reduced down to minimum wage (here in Georgia that's $5.15/hr). Now here's where all the bullsh_t comes into play. We were told that the reason our pay was reduced was due to "fairness to all student assistants" and we were told that the student assistants of Vedat made the complaint, bullsh_t. I later found out that it was Vedat, ofcourse, who made the initial complaint of our pay rates and b_tched and complained that his students didn't like it.

Now I don't know about you but I've always thought that people aren't suppose to discuse there pay rates on the job... hmmm, so how in the HELL would these student assistants find out without going the official routes AND why would they care! Well I later found out that they didn't know and didn't care by talking to each one individually. My co-workers and I were told that all student assistants are hired in at minimum wage and that there would be no exceptions regardless of our skill sets by the head director, Mike Russell. That next monday in a meeting with Mike Russell, he said and assured my co-workers and I that he was doing nothing to change the matter and that he cares less about our skill sets. Then right after that he said that in a re-evaluation process that we "may" have our pay raised due to our skill sets.... WTF! Well after getting air blown up my co-workers _sses and mine, we decided to go seek a higher power.

Well that Friday it all happened I went alone to see Human Resources and Payroll here on campus to explain what's happening. I was told to put my situation in writing and send the appeal to the head of Human Resources. You can see what I wrote first hand if you like by clicking here. Well after doing that over the weekend and sending it to the head on Monday I went back to talk and she told me to go talk to my head director. That's when the meeting happened and the bs was blown in the room. So deciding to see a higher power we thought we'd go to my head directors main boss on campus, but we'd like to have facts that something isn't right! I knew from the start that Vedat had all this done only because of his personnal vendetta against me for some d_mn reason and my co-workers just got pulled along for the ride. Well that Monday after the meeting the Mike Russell, we all fully decided to go against what was happening.

Andrea was off work after noon, but Adam and I came back after an hour lunch break (he usually has class till 3pm but skipped that day). Adam and I went to find out a few pay rates of the other student employees due to undisclosed sources telling us what they were making. By another undisclosed source we found some very interesting facts out. The first one is that all of Vedat's SA's were HIRED in higher than minimum wage... secondly one of his SA's was hired only 4 months ago on October 25, 2001 and was hired making more than my current SA's (he started at $6.50/hr). The catch on that is that there's suppose to be one Supervising SA (which I am for my 2 SA's) in that group and that guy hired at that much ISN'T that Supervising SA and the Supervising SA isn't making as much as he is, sounds like BS to you?!

Well after finding out some pay rates ahead of time Adam and I decided to officially request the open records of the PAR's (Personnal Action Request, the hiring contract) of these SA's. This made the Head Director, Mike Russell, VERY VERY mad cause the payroll was froze due to our request... hmm what's that tell ya! Well after that small victory on Monday we find out that the positions of the three of us were moved. Adam and I were moved directly under Vedat's command... hmm... and Andrea was moved under the command of Tim Hines (great guy, glad she didn't get pushed with us, mainly cause Adam and I requested the records). Now, Vedat is director for 2 sets of SA's, one for technical campus use (what I did when I was there at first) and one set for lab usage. Ofcourse I knew I wasn't going to be a technical SA again and I was right, he threw Adam and I in a lab and only gives Adam, a commuter student, 4 1/2 hours to work on Monday, from 7pm to 11:30pm, while I have no current work schedule for the lab.

will finish up soon have to go to class

ok screw class, I'm to pissed... here's a quick summary:

1 - Hired on Jan 2002 at $7.50/hr with 2 SA's hired at $6/hr
2 - Month later but pushed down to $5.15/hr due to "fairness to all SA's"
3 - Found out my old boss that hates me got this done.
4 - Got smoked blown up are _sses, that it's happening no matter what.
5 - Requested open reports of pay rates of ALL SA's in ITS.
6 - Got moved under the boss that hates me, and I'm out of work, but not yet fired.

That's all... what'd you think about this whole thing. If anyone know of a state lawyer who'd like to take a case for us students for free I'd appreciate it!
 

yellowplastic

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Paragraphs are your friend.

Nobody is going to read that chunk of text. Break it up into paragraphs. Bunch similar ideas together in little chunks.
 

Pepsei

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dude, quit your job and get a higher paying job in the commercial district.

and before you leave... unleash a virus/worm at the campus, do it with vedat's machine and id.

what OS are you guys running? unix is easy to hack... depends on how good the admin there is. NT is easier... don't know about 2k
 

Nitemare

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Tell them to go stick it where the sun don't shine...then hand over all your findings including names to the local student newspaper..

also the local paper as well.
 

starwarsdad

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Politics was one of the reasons I hated college. You have two choices:

1) get a better paying job in the "real" world and get experience that will benefit you later if you persue a career in IT
2)stick where you are and make the guy's life a living hell. Don't let the prick win.

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter. Get your education and get the heck out of there.
 

spankyj

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Yea...that really sucks man. I'd say, quit the job, and find another one that pays more. There has to be a similar job elsewhere. Don't take their crap, you can definitely find work elsewhere that'll pay more with actual hours. On top of that, one day you may need a recommendation from your boss, do you really want this guy to write you one??







Then sign that Vedat guy up for a couple of mailings (read porn mail).
 

BarMan

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thanks to all that have replied... all your advice is taken to heart because I'm just to steamed to even think for myself right now.
 

Tominator

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Is it unfair? Depends on one perspective...

Our Government funded so-called educational facilities are inhabited by a bunch of Communists and Socialists....Eqiality and fairness have a very different meaning there.
 

rahvin

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You won't win, by fighting all you are doing is burning bridges. At the first mention of lowering your wage you should have just quit.

That said if you don't care and are going to be graduating soon take it to the press, write a newspaper style article and see if you can get it published in the school newspaper. Send a copy of your complaint to the state board of regents (administers the university system in your state).

Either way chances are nothing will happen other than getting you tossed from your job. Best thing you can do is go confront Vedat, stay calm rational and objective but don't let him tell you any sh!t. Hell I would probably confront him with a tape recorder concealed.
 

BarMan

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I've planned on going to the school paper since I know close friends that work there and possibly the city paper too, but that might be harder.

As far as quiting, I've done that before and I know for sure that's the reason why he's doing all this now is to get em to just quit again. I found out that he didn't wanted me hired in the beginning but he couldn't do anything thing cause I wasn't being hired under him. I'm only staying there (even if I don't have any working hours) just to spite him right now.
 

rufruf44

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If you really want to expose this even further, I'll second the suggestion to publish a report in the student newspaper. At the very least, the department will get some heat, but at the same time, you might as well pack your stuff, you're done there.
 

SCSIfreek

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seek the newspaper for more exposure. Pack your things and leave that freakin job cos you dont need sh!T like that. I use to work at ITS in our University for $6.15/hr starting then later got up to $8.65 after four years of working there. :) Some of the intern was making $11.00/hr <----- 6yrs plus(of course they don't have a life) ;)


--Scsi
 

cyberia

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Starwarsdad is right:

>>In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter. Get your education and get the heck out of there.<<

Once you get a degree and find a real job(assuming you are in computer science or information systems, but it does not matter), you will be laughing that you ever worried about that meager pay and jerks like Vedat.

On the other hand, even though your pay will be much higher, jerks like Vedat are everywhere. But then you will have much more knowledge and experience and can always find a company that values that.



 

Red Dawn

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Look for another job and when you find one give them notice. It wont do you any good to fight this as all it will do is make you even more bitter and alienate yourself from your co-workers. Trust me, you aren't the only person who has receieved the high hard one unfairly do to Work Politics. Just remind yourself that this Vedat Gunay isn't worth you losing sleep. If he really dislikes you like you say he does then you have to know that you being upset is exactly what he would want. Screw that Bungholer, don't give him the satisfaction.
 

wyvrn

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Well when you get a job in the real world, you get paid more but you still have to deal with jerks like Vedat all the time.
 

dirtboy

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<< dude, quit your job and get a higher paying job in the commercial district. >>



Great advice.
 

Corn

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<< Look for another job and when you find one give them notice. It wont do you any good to fight this as all it will do is make you even more bitter and alienate yourself from your co-workers. Trust me, you aren't the only person who has receieved the high hard one unfairly do to Work Politics. Just remind yourself that this Vedat Gunay isn't worth you losing sleep. If he really dislikes you like you say he does then you have to know that you being upset is exactly what he would want. Screw that Bungholer, don't give him the satisfaction. >>



My god........

OK something strange is happening here lately. For the past month or two, Red's posts here have been strangely on-topic and relevent--damn, even in this instance outright helpful.

I submit to the members of his fine BBS, beware, the body snatchers are real!!! You've seen the evidence, it's time to act!!!!! ;)


In any case, ditto to what Red said, with the slight difference being I wouldn't bother giving any "notice" of my intent to quit. You obviously won't be getting positive refrences from ITS so screw 'em, especially since you're not getting any work from them anyway. LOL, I'm grouchy enough to probably remind your "boss" that he's where he is because he couldn't hack it in profit driven real world.