Current Athlon XP to get HEATSPREADER!

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Tambora
The guys at HardOCP indicate the picture is of the next generation ATI cpu, not an Athlon XP(Need translator for the picture page). They linked to same photos, but did not reference the website linked to above. Yummy, Clawhammer anyone?

Guess what my name is.........shame he didn't link MY site, thats what I put in the email.....

Never mind......

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: MichaelD
This is not good!!! That bigazz plate will just TRAP the heat underneath itself, effectively creating an oven.

IMO, AMD is doing this to prevent people from messing with the bridges.

The bridge thing is a good point......

I doubt that - if modders really want to mess with the bridges, all you do is pop the spreader off, adjust them, and maybe just leave the heatspreader off.

Originally posted by: Jeff7181


What's the difference if the heat is spread out by the heat spreader or the base of the (edit) heatsink? The surface area of the core is still limited no matter what you throw on top of it whether it be a piece of metal they call a heat spreader, or the base of the heatsink.

The main problem I've seen with heatspreaders is that the thermal interface material used between the core and the heatspreader is usually the cheapest stuff availalbe. That means that the heat isn't as able to get to the heatspreader, where it will again have to go through some kind of interface material to then get to the heatsink.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Maybe these will just be the PIB sets, the retail 'Processor in a box' solutions and the OEM's will be plain core's?

 

[Sid03]

so, not only are they going to change the specifications for the heatsink retention, but they are also going back to the green packaging?

i don't think so.

 

[Killrose]

Is it a Heatspreader or an Anti-Bridge connector?

 

[deerslayer]

I definitely don't like it :disgust:

 

[LP29]

I don't like it to

 

[chizow]

Wouldn't be so bad, free case badge with your stepping info on it....you'd never have to shoot photos of your stepping again

Chiz

 

[Confused]

Does anyone think that the heatspreader look just a little bit too similar to the shape of the P4 heat spreader?


Case in point?



Confused

 

[deerslayer]

Originally posted by: Confused
Does anyone think that the heatspreader look just a little bit too similar to the shape of the P4 heat spreader?


Case in point?



Confused

They do look rather similar.

 

[Zor Prime]

If you look at the bottom left side of that picture it looks like there are bridges outside of the heat spreader.

Just an observation.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Zor Prime
If you look at the bottom left side of that picture it looks like there are bridges outside of the heat spreader.

Just an observation.

That's the OPGA packaging code. Probably like 27291. I don't know what you guys were expecting the shape to look like, but they could very well be using the same OEM for heatspreaders.

Chiz

 

[Wingznut]

No way this is for real.

As someone else mentioned, adding an IHS would change the requirements for the heatsink retention devices. That would be an absolute mess.

Also, what would be the point of making the IHS the entire size of the packaging??? That's frickin' huge! I know, the theory is that it covers the bridges. If they really wanted to stop people from unlocking their cpu's, they could easily do it in a much less expensive and intrusive way.

 

[Tambora]

DivideByZero: Sorry, did not recall who sent email to the Hardguys.

 

[Jeff7181]

I think it's funny that people are assuming this foreign website is accurate...

In the event that it IS accurate, and AMD will be adding heat spreaders... lets hope they make them out of pure copper for cooling purposes.

I've read a few times now how "AMD always runs hotter than Intel" and a lot of people see that as a bad thing. There's 2 reasons why this is true, and neither is because AMD doesn't use a heat spreader currently.
First... AMD CPU's typically use a higher voltage than Intel CPU's... more voltage = more heat
Second... AMD's core is substantially smaller than Intel's core, which is a negative for cooling, but a small core size is what makes the average AMD processor less expensive than the average Intel processor.

I guess it's up to each person to decide whether those are positive or negative aspects... I'd rather spend $30 on a heatsink, and $100 on a CPU than $150 on a CPU, and $20 on a heatsink.

Here's an idea... AMD should put heat spreaders on all Retail processors so people who don't know what they're doing have that added protection against cracking their core... and leave OEM processors without heat spreaders.

 

[Bovinicus]

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
AMD's core is substantially smaller than Intel's core, which is a negative for cooling, but a small core size is what makes the average AMD processor less expensive than the average Intel processor.

Actually, why the Athlon is cheaper than the P4 is because of basic economics... They (like Intel, or any other corporation in the world) price their products at what the market will bear.

A lower cost of manufacturing (i.e. more die per wafer) will obviously help the bottom line, but it doesn't set the pricing.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
AMD's core is substantially smaller than Intel's core, which is a negative for cooling, but a small core size is what makes the average AMD processor less expensive than the average Intel processor.

Actually, why the Athlon is cheaper than the P4 is because of basic economics... They (like Intel, or any other corporation in the world) price their products at what the market will bear.

A lower cost of manufacturing (i.e. more die per wafer) will obviously help the bottom line, but it doesn't set the pricing.

I thought they were so inexpensive so that you could get top of the line performance for dirt-cheap and then use the old ones for poker chips

Chiz

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: chizow

I thought they were so inexpensive so that you could get top of the line performance for dirt-cheap and then use the old ones for poker chips

I'll see your 1.4ghz XP, and raise you a 1.67ghz MP!!!

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: chizow

I thought they were so inexpensive so that you could get top of the line performance for dirt-cheap and then use the old ones for poker chips

I'll see your 1.4ghz XP, and raise you a 1.67ghz MP!!!

Winner gets to sell on FS/FT

Chiz

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Here's an idea... AMD should put heat spreaders on all Retail processors so people who don't know what they're doing have that added protection against cracking their core... and leave OEM processors without heat spreaders.

As I mentioned earlier, I think this would be the only way they could do it. This way, the heatsinks that are modded for the XP's with HS' come with the processor in the PIB package. No more retail RMA's due to div's cracking cores.

Leave all the OEM procs as core only to keep the hardcore happy and Bob's your Uncle.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Here's an idea... AMD should put heat spreaders on all Retail processors so people who don't know what they're doing have that added protection against cracking their core... and leave OEM processors without heat spreaders.

As I mentioned earlier, I think this would be the only way they could do it.

... And have two separate specifications for retaining the heatsinks?

Not gonna happen.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Here's an idea... AMD should put heat spreaders on all Retail processors so people who don't know what they're doing have that added protection against cracking their core... and leave OEM processors without heat spreaders.

As I mentioned earlier, I think this would be the only way they could do it.

... And have two separate specifications for retaining the heatsinks?

Not gonna happen.

Why not? The only difference will be the distance to the top of the package, the form factor does not change. Socket A uses clips, so tell me how this would not suffice?

They have simply added a heatspreader to the standard package.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: chizow

A lower cost of manufacturing (i.e. more die per wafer) will obviously help the bottom line, but it doesn't set the pricing.

You don't think a lower bottom line allows them to sell the product for a lower price while maintaining a profit?

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Why not? The only difference will be the distance to the top of the package, the form factor does not change. Socket A uses clips, so tell me how this would not suffice?

I could be wrong, but I would think that the added heighth would create the need for a different clip.

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
You don't think a lower bottom line allows them to sell the product for a lower price while maintaining a profit?

Except that AMD isn't maintaining a profit. But even if they were, they would still price their products as high as the market will bear, while being able to sell the quantity that they desire.

i.e. Let's say that Wingz Inc. can make widgets for $10 each. And when they price them at $100, they can sell enough to meet their target quantities. CEO John figures out that they can decrease the cost by 50%! Even though they will now reap a better net profit, there's no point in reducing the price point, since the market will bear selling them at $100 each.

At least that's my opinion of how it works.