Cure for Aids or Hoax?

piasabird

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Here is the leader of an African nation that claims his ancestor came in a dream and gave him the cure for Aids. I have my doubts on this, but it might be possible. It makes for intersting reading. This really agitates professional researchers to have some person claim he received the cure for aids in a dream. So is it a gift from god or just some hokus pokus?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/03/15/koinange.africa/index.html

By Jeff Koinange
CNN

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BANJUL, Gambia (CNN) -- At the only hospital in the capital of this tiny West African nation, a 3-year-old AIDS patient named Suleiman receives his daily dose of medication -- a murky brown concoction of seven herbs and spices served out of a bottle that once contained pancake syrup.

The boy is told a spoonful a day will make him better. His mother, Fatuma, takes the same concoction, as do several dozen other AIDS and HIV patients here. Adults take two spoonfuls.

"It's amazing," Fatuma says. "Two weeks ago, I was very ill, weak and couldn't eat without vomiting."

This has become the treatment for HIV/AIDS patients here since early January, when Gambian President Yahya Jammeh announced he had discovered a cure for the disease that has wreaked havoc across Africa. He made that announcement in front of a group of foreign diplomats, telling them the treatment was revealed to him by his ancestors in a dream.

His concoction has stirred controversy and anger among health officials who say the president's claims will bring false hope to the nation's more than 20,000 HIV/AIDS patients. They are also afraid that it could cause patients to stop taking the anti-retroviral drugs that have been proven to prolong life and improve quality of living.

One critic was Fadzai Gwaradzimba, the U.N. envoy to Gambia. She was abruptly kicked out of the country after saying on February 9 that patients should continue their normal treatment and that Jammeh's concoction be "assessed by an international team of experts."

"The U.N. system encourages all patients currently receiving anti-retroviral treatment to continue to comply with their recommended treatment regimens while the efficacy of the new treatment is being assessed," she said. (Read full statement)

The U.N. Development Program stands by the envoy's remarks. The World Health Organization has also been critical of Jammeh's treatment.

No formal medical training
Jammeh, 41, is a former army colonel who has no formal medical training. He wears white robes and carries a copy of the Quran with him in this mostly Muslim nation.

His degree is a high school diploma. But he claims his family has a history of healing people through traditional African medicine.

At the hospital in the capital, patients claim the president's concoction is making a difference to them.

Ousman Sow, 54, said he's been HIV-positive since 1996 and had been taking anti-retrovirals for the past fours years until he volunteered for this program.

Four weeks later, he said he's gained 30 pounds and feels like a new person.

"I am cured at this moment," he said.

Asked if he had any HIV symptoms, he responded, "No, I don't. As I stand before you I can honestly tell you I have ceased to have any HIV symptoms."

Patient after patient gave similar statements to CNN. But it was difficult to verify the authenticity of their testimony. The government claims to have scientific evidence, but it did not provide any to CNN.

Jammeh refused to speak to CNN for this report.

CNN also sought medical reports of the HIV/AIDS patients to see whether they are indeed on the mend. The material was not provided. The government would also not release the concoction to CNN for testing.

Gambian Health Minister Tamsim Mbowe, a trained physician with multiple medical degrees, defended the so-called herbal cure.

"I can swear, 100 percent, that this herbal medication His Excellency is using is working. It has the potency to treat and cure patients infected with the HIV-virus," he told CNN.

What does he have to say to skeptics?

"I will tell them, as a Western medical trained doctor with 13 years experience meeting different professors, meeting different colleagues of mine, I've seen His Excellency, my leader, coming up with herbal medications that are able to treat and cure patients with HIV-virus, which have been proven within all medical and laboratory parameters."

Health officials worldwide remain doubtful of these claims. Experts also say it's in places like Gambia that the poor and desperate will latch onto anything resembling hope -- and that the government's claims are nothing more than a sick joke.

"For a country's leader to come up with such an outlandish conclusion is not only irresponsible, but also very dangerous, and he should be reprimanded and stopped from proclaiming such nonsense," said Professor Jerry Coovadia of the University of Kwa Zulu Natal in South Africa.

 

Aimster

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This guy is taking pills to stop his HIV from turning into AIDS

So in a sense there is a "cure" for AIDS

I don't buy that he isn't taking pills. He is doing it at night when nobody is watching.
 

EagleKeeper

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Natural herb based medicines may have such healing properties.

The dream may be a way of explaining something that was told to him when he was young.

If it works, then utilize it. Do not dismiss it because the solution does not come from a lab initially.
 

Fern

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Sceptical? Sure, Dismissive? No.

IMHO, they need to start investigating it ASAP. Why not (unless you're big Pharma)?

Fern
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: piasabird
a murky brown concoction of seven herbs and spices served out of a bottle that once contained pancake syrup.

Colonel Sanders mixture is the cure? I doubt it.

:laugh:
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: piasabird
a murky brown concoction of seven herbs and spices served out of a bottle that once contained pancake syrup.

Colonel Sanders mixture is the cure? I doubt it.

LOL....
 

beyoku

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There is no separation between AIDS and HIV.
Long ago they made a mistake of creating the term "AIDS" when really the virus doesnt transform and differnt groups have different difinitions of "AIDS"
WIKI: Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome or acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS or Aids) is a collection of symptoms and infections resulting from the specific damage to the immune system caused by the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)

Doctors cannot agree on these "collection of symptoms and infections"....... some say other major disease=AIDS......low % T-Cell count= AIDS.....etc etc. Now most doctors or HIV awareness people just simply say "HIV"

Regardless of how the revelation came to him about the "cure" or treatment who cares. We never know, it could work. BUT people should still be encouraged to take their anti-viral treatment along with whatever potion, formula or herb they have been taking. Some African nations understand that the people are used to traditional medicines such as this concoction but they are still telling people to continue to take their prescribed anti-viral drugs.......OTOH Some dont. I know in Thailand they had a traditional medicine made of roots and herbs that were given as a bundle from the hospital that had positive effects before anti-viral drugs were availible. I am not sure if people are still taking this. In Ethiopia there were groups of people that though they will be cured if they bathed in one of the natural springs in the countryside. Some even claimed that when they got back to Addis and went to the clinic for an HIV test they were negative. This was in the local news their and news in US. Also i have met here in the us, a US Educated West African doctor who also claimed they have been expirimenting with a "cure" made from local herbs and goats blood.

I guess im saying most cures are made from plants.......I can never discount stories like this. I have been to Africa more than once and i have been amazed at some of the effectivness of thier traditional medicine and even their recreational drugs......I hope his dream comes true, good luck.
 

SsupernovaE

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Why not investigate it? Just watch the country for a couple years and, voilà, free study!

If it works that would be absolutely amazing. Although the odds are probably 1: 10 ^ ^ ^ infinity.
 

Kreon

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why can't it work?

Most of those lovely pills people take are just stuff that's been harvested/seperated from plants and compressed into a pill

Maybe its a chemical in one of the plants that works to counteract the virus.
Who knows?

Wait to see if it works, but do so in a lab setting (to make sure nobody is popping "real" pills behind your back)
 

maluckey

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Far stranger thing have I seen. While working in the Amazon Basin, I encountered a witch doctor who offered to treat a persistent skin lesion dissappear on my leg..he did it.
I was on prescription after prescription for twelve years, but that couldn't cure what the witch doctor cured in a week.

The stuff came from one the local Croton lechleri trees. The locals use the sap to cure dysentery, skin lesions and ulcers, along with cuts scrapes and virtually anything that just seems nasty. I later looked it up on a botany site and found one of the active ingredients in the sap to be Taspine. Further research showed it to be in it's raw form, one of the most potent antiviral/antibacterial substances ever encountered. AIDS sufferers are now claiming that drinking the stuff reduces viral load. Whether or not it cures HIV related complications, it certainly is one of the most potent compounds out there, even in it's raw form it kills MRS (methicillin resistant staph) with a quickness. Several local doctors use it to treat stomach ulcers with great success.
 

jackschmittusa

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I agree that many traditional remedies are effective. And most that really work do not see widespread use because they cannot be patented, ergo, no profit incentive for the drug companies.

Worthless, and even harmful ones have far outnumbered those of value where they were actually evaluated.

The idea of this coming to this guy in a dream does sound a little shakey. Some have suggested it was a childhood memory re-surfacing in a dream. If this is the case, it is hardly likely that only one guy remembers the formula.

What we have is a person of substantial influence and a national platform advocating an unproven cure. We know that even placebos generate positive anecdotal evidence.

If in fact he does have a cure, and is interested in the welfare of his people, he would make the recipe for his concoction publicly known, rather than be the sole supplier of his wonder cure. He should also submit it for testing and validation. If he is sure that it works, there should be nothing to fear by letting others confirm his belief in his concoction.

As long as it remains unproven, he should only distribute it with a warning to patients to continue to use available, proven treatments as well.

While I do not dispute its curative powers out of hand, I think the probability is small that it is, and that it is being handled in a terrible way.
 

judasmachine

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I believe it! I'll be selling off all my worldly goods, and haul people to his flock so they can be cured. Thank you ancestral ghost.

Even if they have some local traditional remedy that works, this whole ghost thing is just to make himself more powerful, and the sad fact is that it will work. I have to admit though it'd be great if the treatment worked.
 

Aisengard

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HIV is the virus, and AIDS is the syndrome that arises from having the virus for a while. So, yeah, there is a separation between the two. They're not the same thing, even if they're directly related.

What's really sad are the moronic African nation leaders, who think that the disease only exists because people take the medication, and so refuse to do anything to help their population.
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
I agree that many traditional remedies are effective. And most that really work do not see widespread use because they cannot be patented, ergo, no profit incentive for the drug companies.

Worthless, and even harmful ones have far outnumbered those of value where they were actually evaluated.

The idea of this coming to this guy in a dream does sound a little shakey. Some have suggested it was a childhood memory re-surfacing in a dream. If this is the case, it is hardly likely that only one guy remembers the formula.

What we have is a person of substantial influence and a national platform advocating an unproven cure. We know that even placebos generate positive anecdotal evidence.

If in fact he does have a cure, and is interested in the welfare of his people, he would make the recipe for his concoction publicly known, rather than be the sole supplier of his wonder cure. He should also submit it for testing and validation. If he is sure that it works, there should be nothing to fear by letting others confirm his belief in his concoction.

As long as it remains unproven, he should only distribute it with a warning to patients to continue to use available, proven treatments as well.

While I do not dispute its curative powers out of hand, I think the probability is small that it is, and that it is being handled in a terrible way.

QFT

My thoughts exactly.
 

Aimster

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my friend told me herbal remedies cured her grandmother's cancer. She had a huge cancerous tumor on her neck and the doctors at georgetown university hospital gave her 6 months to live. She went to one of those """doctors""" that specializes in alternative medicines and he gave her some stuff.

tumor disappeared and the doctors at georgetown university hospital had no words to describe it.

I highly doubt it had anything to do with the alternative medicines though. Stroke of luck....
 

ericlp

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When you have aids and your going to die. You'll spend money on anything.... Look at all the fat people out there SPENDING tons of cash to be skinny, when the fine print on the bottom of the TV screen is so damn small you can barely make out the fine print "results not typical" ... Face it if there really was a fat reducing pill they would sell millions and no one would be fat anymore.

Hey, I have some land on the moon for sale... I'm only gonna give you a good deal because your eyes are brown. Hahaha!
 

rickn

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sounds like the placebo effect. the mind is a powerful tool when it's used
 

sandorski

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I'll go out on a limb(very sturdy one) and say this is all bupkus! That said, ya it should be investigated anyway. Africa has all kinds of "cures" for AIDS, from having sex with Virgins to this, none work.
 

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Originally posted by: Aimster
my friend told me herbal remedies cured her grandmother's cancer. She had a huge cancerous tumor on her neck and the doctors at georgetown university hospital gave her 6 months to live. She went to one of those """doctors""" that specializes in alternative medicines and he gave her some stuff.

tumor disappeared and the doctors at georgetown university hospital had no words to describe it.

I highly doubt it had anything to do with the alternative medicines though. Stroke of luck....

There are lots of foods and herbs that are well documented to greatly improve the body's ability to fight cancer cells. Some doctors insist on blasting everything with radiation or some modern method, when they should embrace both practices.

Garlic:
http://whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=60

Spinach:
http://whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=43

Green tea:
http://whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=146

References are all at the bottom. All based on solid science.


The problem is that the number of snake oil vendors greatly outnumbers honest people.
 
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I don't doubt that the cure for HIV could be found in Herbs. Heck, Penicillin is just a mold. But it's a mold that's been thoroughly tested, it's a mold that has side effects, and it's a mold that some people can have deadly allergic reactions to. Point is that even if this is real, it needs to be tested and studied an awful lot.

In this case, I have serious doubts. First of all, we already have several drugs that stop HIV in its tracks; so this would be nothing new. The problem with HIV is that it is incredibly mutagenic. So if you hit it with 1 effective antiretroviral, it will quickly mutate and resist that drug. That's the whole point of the triple cocktail: you hit the virus with 3 or 4 different types of drugs at once, and lower the virus count so much that it doesn't have a chance to develop resistance to any of the drugs individually. Doing this essentially stops HIV in its tracks. The problem is that these drugs are extremely toxic, extremely expensive, and the regimen must be adhered to at a 98% consistency rate.

I recommend reading even just a couple of articles on Wikipedia about HIV and antiretroviral drugs; it's very interesting stuff, and a peek at some of the problems scientists are trying to tackle.
 

HombrePequeno

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I'm pretty sure this guy is just a loon. From what I recall hearing, he only allows a few people a day to use his 'cure.' You would think he would want to help everyone in his country that has HIV by giving them his cure. What's more probable is that his cure is really just treating some symptoms and is doing nothing to stop HIV. It's a shame too because the people using his cure can't take drugs that will actually help them and by the time they go back on it, it won't be nearly as effective.