Cummins settles with DOJ for $1.675B over RAM diesel emissions defeat devices

[Puffnstuff]

RAM caught with their diesel hands in the cookie jar. I suppose that the VW diesel gate wasn't enough for them so they too rolled the dice and lost.

Attorney General Merrick Garland Statement on the Agreement in Principle with Cummins to Settle Alleged Installation of Illegal Defeat Devices in Engines

www.justice.gov

 

[sandorski]

Cummins.

 

[Puffnstuff]

There goes the R&D budget. I was watching TFLtruck and they speculate that the others will be in trouble soon as well.

 

[Fenixgoon]

If it doesn't exceed the profits they made, then it's not really consequential.

Still, that is a large chunk of change.

 

[iRONic]

^^This. It's a numbers game.

 

[Fenixgoon]

^^This. It's a numbers game.

Net income in 2022 was $2.2B. So yeah, this is not super meaningful what it happened over the course of a decade...

https://investor.cummins.com/news/detail/592/cummins-reports-strong-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-2022

granted, RAM/Stellantis also bear some liability. Cummins might supply the engine, but RAM/Stellantis is the one responsible for making sure it meets regs AFAIK.

 

[hal2kilo]

The settlement I got for my Grand Cherokee will be exhausted when I have to replace my clogged with soot intake manifold. Sorry I ever bought the POS. Diesels have no future. It was all BS you could make them clean and live as long as a normal diesel engine would.

 

[Zorba]

If it doesn't exceed the profits they made, then it's not really consequential.

Still, that is a large chunk of change.

This is why people need to go to jail.

 

[sdifox]

Why did VW get 10B fine but Cummins only get 1.6B?

 

[Moonbeam]

In a capitalist system the only thing that matters is money and the reason that creates an elegant solution as an economic driver is because of self interest. Competition between individuals and corporations that are legally defined as people based on price focuses attention on the bottom line as the thing that matters most. When regulators try to prevent competition from creating shoddy or dangerous goods those trying to compete will not like it. And since the bottom line and not social responsibility is what really matters they will cheat. The real effort then will be to become too big to fail, to be to important to the economy to be put out of business for wrong doing. An risk analysis will always take place among the most entitled people in such a society based on how they assess the risk of cheating. They will always judge the risk to be less than normal people would and they create the fact they are right by getting away with criminal activity. They create fear, they intimidate, they bribe, and they depend on the cowardliness of regulators to hold their feet to the fire. Nobody today will turn to the guillotine It is considered barbaric to use violence for self defense against criminal behavior, as it should be. So what alternatives might there be?

 

[Drach]

Why did VW get 10B fine but Cummins only get 1.6B?

Maybe the blatancy of the crime?
VW turned off emission controls unless it was hooked up for testing.
As much as I hate c.a.r.b I have visually seen the difference that they have made in California .

 

[skyking]

Fix the title to match the article. It's not Ram, it is Cummins.

 

[Drach]

Fix the title to match the article. It's not Ram, it is Cummins.

True but RAM might be ultimately responsible for what they sell to the public .

 

[Zorba]

Why did VW get 10B fine but Cummins only get 1.6B?

I'm guessing it's x amount per violation and each car is a violation.

 

[Drach]

I'm guessing it's x amount per violation and each car is a violation.

From what I can see the sales were similar . ~half million .

 

[skyking]

True but RAM might be ultimately responsible for what they sell to the public .

No. Ram did not settle with the AG, Cummins did. If we can do just one thing, be accurate.

 

[sdifox]

Maybe the blatancy of the crime?
VW turned off emission controls unless it was hooked up for testing.
As much as I hate c.a.r.b I have visually seen the difference that they have made in California .

They did similar things. I don't see why the punishment is so different. VW's solution was just more elegant.

If anything the second one to try the same shit should be more harshly punished.

 

[Drach]

No. Ram did not settle with the AG, Cummins did. If we can do just one thing, be accurate.

As a general contractor I am ultimately responsible for what my subcontractors do. That's the reason why I stated this and I am being accurate as far as I know in California.

 

[Drach]

They did similar things. I don't see why the pinishment is so different.

Well it better not be because of country of origin . That would make no sense.

 

[cytg111]

Is there a brand that has NOT cheated on the emission test at this point?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Is there a brand that has NOT cheated on the emission test at this point?

Anyone who sells only gasoline engines? All the emissions cheats have been for diesels (or at least that I can recall)

 

[skyking]

As a general contractor I am ultimately responsible for what my subcontractors do. That's the reason why I stated this and I am being accurate as far as I know in California.

the case was settled between Cummins and the AG.
Switching that out to Ram in the original post is how FOX et al operate.
Cummins makes that same engine for other MDTs , and a whole bunch of engines for class 8 trucks too.
The same engine is in Super C motor homes.
Cummins got the message to straighten up and fly right across the whole spectrum with this settlement.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Fix the title to match the article. It's not Ram, it is Cummins.

I changed it for accuracy, however, the original articles showed RAM and as the OEM for the trucks they are still on the hook for customer repairs.

 

[skyking]

Thank you.

 

[portal_in_life]

Seriusly, according to a report from Chistian News website, it stated that if the US had banned electric trains in the United states, the North East would have created enough excess energy to prevent Houston to go dark during that blizzard.

Same thing here, RAM should be let go off, if I were the CEO of RAM I would not pay the fine.