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Cuccinelli is down, Tea Party: Who's next?

TreVader

TreVader

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And another one bites the dust


So as much as Ted Cruz and the Tea Party might like to believe they are an asset to the GOP they just lost a governorship and from the looks of it, it appears they bit themselves in the a$$ with this shutdown.


Who is the Tea Party going to take down next? We all know it's going to be a fellow republican.


Also, why is it that the Tea Party seems to focus the majority of its time eating it's own party alive? Doesn't seem to be a great strategy.
 
Destroy the GOP and they'll run to the Dems to form a grand coalition. Moment that happens a big opportunity rises for a new opposition party to take their place.
 
Lets go single party socialist rule.

That will make everything great. Streets will be lined with gold. Poor will be rich, cancer cured.
 
michal1980 said:
Your party labels everyone that's not a socialist as totally insane.
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Sure except even the people in your own party are labeling the Tea Party as, in the words of a former presidential candidate, "wacko birds". He's actually right....


But if you want to believe that the tea party is producing actually viable candidates... far be it for me to tell you not to spit into the wind.
 
Jaskalas said:
Destroy the GOP and they'll run to the Dems to form a grand coalition. Moment that happens a big opportunity rises for a new opposition party to take their place.
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Could you type something comprehensible? I don't even know what to call what I just read. I guess the best description would be "technically english".
 
eskimospy said:
I like how "maybe you guys shouldn't nominate people who are totally insane" = "single party socialist rule".
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Winner winner.

Chicken dinner.


I've given up pointing that out to the parrots I know personally - it tends to interfere with them displaying their deep knowledge of socialism for all to enjoy. The ones that aren't too far gone anyway. Just seems like an unnecessary pause in the entertainment.
 
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I respect that the Tea Party in general would rather lose with a candidate they liked than win with one they could barely stomach. If that principle was more widespread we would probably see more third parties.

Right now they're essentially a third party that has the Republican party by the balls. If they start to trend towards fiscally conservative rather than insane (like the shutdown) and reach out to the Democrats on social issues to become the fiscally conservative / socially liberal party it would be very interesting to see what happens.

If they want to be the Ted Cruz / Sara Palin sideshow party that's a shame, but it's still fun watching Karl Rove try to get a leash on them.
 
Theb said:
I respect that the Tea Party in general would rather lose with a candidate they liked than win with one they could barely stomach. If that principle was more widespread we would probably see more third parties.

Right now they're essentially a third party that has the Republican party by the balls. If they start to trend towards fiscally conservative rather than insane (like the shutdown) and reach out to the Democrats on social issues to become the fiscally conservative / socially liberal party it would be very interesting to see what happens.

If they want to be the Ted Cruz / Sara Palin sideshow party that's a shame, but it's still fun watching Karl Rove try to get a leash on them.
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The idea that the Tea Party will become socially liberal is pretty insane. I think you're not understanding what they're about. A small minority of the tea party is focused on fiscal issues, but the vast majority is focused on social issues like abortion and gay rights....

What's far more likely to happen is they will lose standing with the party and eventually, after a very painful and very damaging civil war, be left in obscurity and the GOP may move on.

The GOP would do well to just drop every social issue and focus on their economy line. If they worked on that, and not hating blacks and gays and jews in hollywood they might actually GAIN voters in demographics that are constantly growing like latinos. I know, crazy right?

Edit: Also what is this support for electoral suicide? You would rather lose than win without everything you want? That's exactly what the shutdown was about!
 
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Matt1970 said:
Wholy crap, a Republican lost an election!!! IT's all over now.
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I don't think you understand. He lost an election he should have, and before the shutdown would have won. That's the significance, the Tea Party lost this election, not the GOP.


The more intelligent people in the GOP (like Karl Rove) are very much afraid of the Tea Party, and not because they are opposed to their ideology. They're opposed to losing.
 
TreVader said:
The idea that the Tea Party will become socially liberal is pretty insane. I think you're not understanding what they're about. A small minority of the tea party is focused on fiscal issues, but the vast majority is focused on social issues like abortion and gay rights....

What's far more likely to happen is they will lose standing with the party and eventually, after a very painful and very damaging civil war, be left in obscurity and the GOP may move on.

The GOP would do well to just drop every social issue and focus on their economy line. If they worked on that, and not hating blacks and gays and jews in hollywood they might actually GAIN voters in demographics that are constantly growing like latinos. I know, crazy right?
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How about you stop lying and acting like an idiot? The Tea Party is about the fiscal issues. There is a small minority of idiots who are interested in the social issues many of which contradict small government principles.

You are using a small group to mislabel all of them which is wrong and stereotyping. I thought liberals were against this?
 
TreVader said:
The idea that the Tea Party will become socially liberal is pretty insane. I think you're not understanding what they're about. A small minority of the tea party is focused on fiscal issues, but the vast majority is focused on social issues like abortion and gay rights....

What's far more likely to happen is they will lose standing with the party and eventually, after a very painful and very damaging civil war, be left in obscurity and the GOP may move on.

The GOP would do well to just drop every social issue and focus on their economy line. If they worked on that, and not hating blacks and gays and jews in hollywood they might actually GAIN voters in demographics that are constantly growing like latinos. I know, crazy right?

Edit: Also what is this support for electoral suicide? You would rather lose than win without everything you want? That's exactly what the shutdown was about!
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I read this article recently which is what started my daydream. http://www.salon.com/2013/10/26/gop...tea_party_disdains_religious_right/singleton/

I agree that the Tea Party will probably fade into obscurity, but I think it will rot rather than flame out in a civil war. I think idealistic candidates will turn into typical politicians and voter enthusiasm will fade.

Article picture is too good not to post.

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I have stopped being surprised at how people vote against their own self interest. But right now the GOP is a tough sell for the young, poor, non-Southern Baptist, people of color, etc. Pretty soon if the Republicans continue with their efforts to shift the tax burden from the wealthiest onto the middle classes along with cuts in programs that benefit them. They will lost support of the middle class too.
 
There was a decent third option in that race. GoP is simply counting on their base at this point. They win on fewer issues. .. then they get upset about it; that the citizens didnt conform their ideals to fit the party instead of the other way around! My two biggest problems with the dems are they want to spend too much and the issue of yhe 2nd amendment.

Enter the libertarian!
 
There should really be 4 parties:
* Fiscal conservative, social conservative (ideal tea party)
* Fiscal liberal, social conservative (republicans)
* Fiscal conservative, social liberal (the ideal libertarian)
* Fiscal liberal, social liberal (democrats)

Unfortunately the parties don't seem to actually line up like that.
 
Juddog said:
There should really be 4 parties:
* Fiscal conservative, social conservative (ideal tea party)
* Fiscal liberal, social conservative (republicans)
* Fiscal conservative, social liberal (the ideal libertarian)
* Fiscal liberal, social liberal (democrats)

Unfortunately the parties don't seem to actually line up like that.
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And that would (in theory) help these morons actually try to govern and make compromises on the things they can. Unfortunately as it stands now it's this constant back and forth of all or nothing.

And if one really looks at our current pols, you realize the vast majority could give a shit about whatever cause they are espousing. They care about where the next "campaign" contribution is coming from and if that contractor they put a loophole into law for has their summer cottage completed yet.
 
Incorruptible said:
How about you stop lying and acting like an idiot? The Tea Party is about the fiscal issues. There is a small minority of idiots who are interested in the social issues many of which contradict small government principles.

You are using a small group to mislabel all of them which is wrong and stereotyping. I thought liberals were against this?
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you're wrong, but even if you're right the image the Tea Party is portraying isn't that of a group of people concerned with the economy. If you were concerned with the economy you wouldn't shut down the government and lose 40 billion dollars on a foolish bet that obama would somehow cave on the landmark legislation of his presidency.


The Tea Party is the fanatical wing of a GOP that is mired in hatred of everything new and unfamiliar. You may be able to take districts in the deep south and west by pandering to the fears of old white men but that will never win you the presidency. That won't even win you congress.

If the GOP doesn't get rid of the Tea Party they're party will not last, period. You do not gain supporters in any demographic you don't already dominate by fear mongering.
 
TreVader said:
you're wrong, but even if you're right the image the Tea Party is portraying isn't that of a group of people concerned with the economy. If you were concerned with the economy you wouldn't shut down the government and lose 40 billion dollars on a foolish bet that obama would somehow cave on the landmark legislation of his presidency.


The Tea Party is the fanatical wing of a GOP that is mired in hatred of everything new and unfamiliar. You may be able to take districts in the deep south and west by pandering to the fears of old white men but that will never win you the presidency. That won't even win you congress.

If the GOP doesn't get rid of the Tea Party they're party will not last, period. You do not gain supporters in any demographic you don't already dominate by fear mongering.
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another one...

If the teaparty wasn't around, you'd be ripping the GOP. the tea party is just your target du jour.
 
Juddog said:
There should really be 4 parties:
* Fiscal conservative, social conservative (ideal tea party)
* Fiscal liberal, social conservative (republicans)
* Fiscal conservative, social liberal (the ideal libertarian)
* Fiscal liberal, social liberal (democrats)

Unfortunately the parties don't seem to actually line up like that.
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And these are the actual parties:

* People who hate gays, jews, blacks, latinos, hollywood, "the media", taxes, government, education, compromise (The Tea Party)

* People who hate the Tea Party because it ruins their chances to win elections and makes their party look like idiotic bigots (Republicans)

* People who hate the Tea Party because it's comprised of idiotic bigots (Democrats)



The first two are technically both called republicans, and it's kinda like the republicans are carrying around a cranky younger brother (the tea party), a toddler that is throwing tantrums. The Republicans are adults and can't stand the way he refuses to compromise, cries constantly, is embarrassing in public, and is generally a pain to be around but he's family so what are you gonna do?
 
michal1980 said:
another one...

If the teaparty wasn't around, you'd be ripping the GOP. the tea party is just your target du jour.
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It's the greater of two evils. But i'm torn, you know?


If the tea party breaks of and creates a 3rd party, effectively making it impossible for either it or the republicans to win the presidency or really any other office, will we be a one party system? I think that would be better, but I don't know it might be worse.
 
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