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waggy

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: SickBeastYou know, Cubans aren't allowed to leave the island, and if those Miami residents were to ever try to return to Cuba they would surely be executed or imprisoned for a very long time. So, they can't go back. I have a feeling they see the US as some sort of paradise because of what they see in the media. Nobody in Cuba starves; it can't be *that* bad for them.

wow.

rarely am i shocked at how idiotic a post is. but this one...really i am speechless. just amazing.
Care to point out what was wrong with it instead of insulting me like the rest of your clan?

All Cubans are given food rations by the government there. They don't go hungry. Like I said, I'm interested in knowing *why* they want to leave Cuba. You say you've talked to them and seen their ghettoes but you have yet to explain why they go to Miami.

as a few others told you the political and economic obtions are non existant.


Life is not as rosy as you think. the avarage Cuban situation is bleak.


not only that. The idea that they are only saying bad thins is because they can't go back is retarded.
 

GasX

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It is amazing when really naive and unintelligent people who have enough education to be able to think and write complete sentences start posting on the internet.

After posting the most vapid, laughable & unsupportable comments, they act hurt and shocked that people dismiss them as a suitable conversation partner and call them and their ideas retarded. while that may be a poor convesational tone and is a weak tack to take in an argument, sometimes the original topic and its follow on comments are just so fraught with utter drivel that they cannot be taken seriously.

Sometimes you have to quit while you are behind. An apology would be nice but not necessary.
 

abaez

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: abaez
Whatever you think about the country, it is one of the most amazing places. I went there three months ago and had the time of my life. Casa de la musica club was one of the best experiences.. bands don't start until midnight and people were just dancing all night.

Yes, there are alot of things wrong with the country and right now it is untouched by the corporations (going to be sad once they come in), but I am convinced it is one of the best places I will ever visit.

You can see some pics I took here: http://tinyurl.com/2p9a39

Some are from Cancun, but most are in Cuba.

This just amazes me. So, because you were able to party in some swank hotel at all hours of the night, the people of Cuba are better off now than they will be when corporations (ie, EMPLOYERS) come in and set up shop? God, are you people that blind?

I guess I should rephrase - it was nice to travel around and not be bombarded by billboards, advetisements, mcdonalds etc which is inevitable. I am not saying that they are bad, just the landscape will change.

And you really assume too much, I went out one night to a club to watch a band play and stayed at the habana libre, which is not some "swank" hotel with clubs across the street.
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: GuideBot
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: GuideBot
Originally posted by: SickBeast
You didn't even refute either of my points and you have the audacity to laugh at me? :roll:

Originally posted by: SickBeast
At least I'm not coming up with wacko prophecies. Seriously, get help.

Just shot yourself in the foot. :)
Well, I gave him two chances to actually refute my point instead of laughing at me and he couldn't. It's hard to have rational discussion with people who throw insults instead of engaging in a dialogue.

I don't recall insulting you. You do not seem to hold yourself to the same standards that you hold others to, either.

If you want to talk about this maturely, then do it. If you want someone to back up their arguments, then pony up with your own supporting information that you draw your conclusions from instead of just jumping around the thread barking orders at folks.

Thank you. :)
I suppose I have held a bit of an air of arrogance seeing as only one other person in the thread has actually visited Cuba, and for that I apologize. I've skimmed through and read large sections of the Wikipedia links that others have posted, and really the only seriously bad stuff I read was about that Che Guavera guy, but AFAIK his reign of terror was over long ago.

You did not insult me, so you have my apologies. For future reference, though, laughing at somebody else's legitimate point can be taken quite offensively.

I'm actually tired of discussing this topic. There have been too many right-wing extremists trying to refute me with 'information' from their right wing media outlets. I have never faced so many personal attacks on this board in my 7 years of posting here, and really all I wanted to do was discuss my peaceful vacation in Cuba.

My opinion for what it's worth is that everyone on here who flamed me needs to be a little more open-minded toward the opinions of others. I'm perfectly allowed to vacation in Cuba and tell people how much I enjoyed it. :beer:
 

ric1287

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
LOL. Dude goes to the touristy parts of Cuba and formulates an impression. Feels strongly enough about it to post on a message board forum. Canadian public school system FTW!!!!

WTF is wrong with you? I have been to Disney World and I am positive that is what the rest of the country is like.

haha, damn you beat me to it!

you mean America doesn't have brick lined streets with large dancing animals on evey corner!!!!! (this is how is argument sounds to me :) )
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
It is amazing when really naive and unintelligent people who have enough education to be able to think and write complete sentences start posting on the internet.

After posting the most vapid, laughable & unsupportable comments, they act hurt and shocked that people dismiss them as a suitable conversation partner and call them and their ideas retarded. while that may be a poor convesational tone and is a weak tack to take in an argument, sometimes the original topic and its follow on comments are just so fraught with utter drivel that they cannot be taken seriously.

Sometimes you have to quit while you are behind. An apology would be nice but not necessary.
Pfft. I'd like to see you teach in a second language and design countless buildings and site layouts for major corporations. :roll:

I don't owe you any apologies. I offered one to GuideBot because I realized that I had made a mistake. Waggy was alright, too. The other people like you who just stormed into the thread to insult me should all get a vacation from the forums (and maybe visit Cuba...don't forget to stop in Canada first, though - you can't get in otherwise).
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
LOL. Dude goes to the touristy parts of Cuba and formulates an impression. Feels strongly enough about it to post on a message board forum. Canadian public school system FTW!!!!

WTF is wrong with you? I have been to Disney World and I am positive that is what the rest of the country is like.

haha, damn you beat me to it!

you mean America doesn't have brick lined streets with large dancing animals on evey corner!!!!! (this is how is argument sounds to me :) )

pfft. idiots.

we do have large dancing animals and people singing all over! man you guys need to coem to the REAL US!

now excuse me i got a couple deers dancing in my yard and ruining it. time to fill up the freezer with vinision!
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
... the audacity to tell me what it's like there, and that I'm flat-out wrong.

i think we agree, they are a bunch of commies in cuba

i don't know what cuba is like and i don't really care
their govt. is a communist dictatorship, you can either agree with me on that or not
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
LOL. Dude goes to the touristy parts of Cuba and formulates an impression. Feels strongly enough about it to post on a message board forum. Canadian public school system FTW!!!!

WTF is wrong with you? I have been to Disney World and I am positive that is what the rest of the country is like.

haha, damn you beat me to it!

you mean America doesn't have brick lined streets with large dancing animals on evey corner!!!!! (this is how is argument sounds to me :) )
All three of you are ridiculous. I left my resort of my own accord, used public transportation, and toured the city closest to my resort (Varadero). My GF has toured Cuba extensively and says she never noticed the least bit of poverty. I'm surprised your types of behaviour are tolerated on these boards. :thumbsdown:
 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: GuideBot
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: GuideBot
Originally posted by: SickBeast
You didn't even refute either of my points and you have the audacity to laugh at me? :roll:

Originally posted by: SickBeast
At least I'm not coming up with wacko prophecies. Seriously, get help.

Just shot yourself in the foot. :)
Well, I gave him two chances to actually refute my point instead of laughing at me and he couldn't. It's hard to have rational discussion with people who throw insults instead of engaging in a dialogue.

I don't recall insulting you. You do not seem to hold yourself to the same standards that you hold others to, either.

If you want to talk about this maturely, then do it. If you want someone to back up their arguments, then pony up with your own supporting information that you draw your conclusions from instead of just jumping around the thread barking orders at folks.

Thank you. :)
I suppose I have held a bit of an air of arrogance seeing as only one other person in the thread has actually visited Cuba, and for that I apologize. I've skimmed through and read large sections of the Wikipedia links that others have posted, and really the only seriously bad stuff I read was about that Che Guavera guy, but AFAIK his reign of terror was over long ago.

You did not insult me, so you have my apologies. For future reference, though, laughing at somebody else's legitimate point can be taken quite offensively.

I'm actually tired of discussing this topic. There have been too many right-wing extremists trying to refute me with 'information' from their right wing media outlets. I have never faced so many personal attacks on this board in my 7 years of posting here, and really all I wanted to do was discuss my peaceful vacation in Cuba.

My opinion for what it's worth is that everyone on here who flamed me needs to be a little more open-minded toward the opinions of others. I'm perfectly allowed to vacation in Cuba and tell people how much I enjoyed it. :beer:

Once again I have to ask then why did you include this? From that one little section you took it from talking about a vacation in Cuba to inviting discussion and debate about Cuba.

The funny thing was, there was a show on local radio the day before I left talking about how evil Catro is, how many people he kills each year, and how Cuba had better quality of life than most of Europe did in the 50's (but not anymore - he said something along the lines of no Hatians being willing to move there). IMO they have equal quality of life to Europe TODAY.

Thoughts?
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: Linflas
Once again I have to ask then why did you include this? From that one little section you took it from talking about a vacation in Cuba to inviting discussion and debate about Cuba.

The funny thing was, there was a show on local radio the day before I left talking about how evil Catro is, how many people he kills each year, and how Cuba had better quality of life than most of Europe did in the 50's (but not anymore - he said something along the lines of no Hatians being willing to move there). IMO they have equal quality of life to Europe TODAY.

Thoughts?
The entire point of my thread was to express how shocked I was after visiting Cuba (it's even in the title of the thread!). That snipit was to explain *why* I was shocked. Everything I had heard about Cuba before I visited there was complete and utter nonsense.

I can see your point; this thread *could* have fit into P&N...but really why do you care? It's pretty grey-area IMO. It's about my vacation.

The whole point of internet forums is to have discussion and debate. The people who flame and insult others have it all wrong. :light:
 

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When small children leave in leaky rowboats or innertubes to cross 90 miles of shark infested waters, there must be some good reasons for their parents to risk their lives.

They can drown, dehydrate/dry of starvation/thirst, become shark chum.

Let alone CUBAN gunboats using them for target practice.

And then you have private airplane spotters that get shot at by Cuban jets in international airspace because the Cessna was circling over a raft so the US Coast guard could pick them up.

The US embargo may be bad for Cuba; however, when people are willing to dy to get out of that country, one needs to ask why?
How many are trying to get back?

Cuba is not the paradise for Cubans that their governemnt wants to paint for the tourists.
Cuba is a paradise provided by the Cuban government for the tourist .

W/ respect to your taxi driver - he knew where he was allowed to take you - had you attempted to leave the santioned ares, there would have been a serious problem.

It is good that you saw what Cuba once was and could become again. Just please understand, that you were being spoon fed the standard propaganda package.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
My GF has toured Cuba extensively and says she never noticed the least bit of poverty.

I have to call shens on this, you can "extensively" visit almost any country in the world and find "the least bit of poverty" pretty easily.

I could be wrong and Cuba is a latin paradise where nothing is wrong, everyone is happy, and everything it perfect. Even though the available facts don't bear that out.....
 

ric1287

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
LOL. Dude goes to the touristy parts of Cuba and formulates an impression. Feels strongly enough about it to post on a message board forum. Canadian public school system FTW!!!!

WTF is wrong with you? I have been to Disney World and I am positive that is what the rest of the country is like.

haha, damn you beat me to it!

you mean America doesn't have brick lined streets with large dancing animals on evey corner!!!!! (this is how is argument sounds to me :) )
All three of you are ridiculous. I left my resort of my own accord, used public transportation, and toured the city closest to my resort (Varadero). My GF has toured Cuba extensively and says she never noticed the least bit of poverty. I'm surprised your types of behaviour are tolerated on these boards. :thumbsdown:

the fact that you honestly believe cuba is some dreamland paradise blows my mind. You continue to use the word "resort" which also makes me chuckle. Your story also keeps changing. First you base your ENTIRE argument on your isolated 'journey' through the tourist area of cuba and that your GF had dinner with some family or something. Now apparently your GF is some adventurous explorer who has seen and spoken to everyone in Cuba?

People aren't "CRAZY RIGHT WING NUTS!!!" or whatever garbage you wanna call them. They are just pointing out how ridiculous it is that you are attempting to inform people that Cuba is an amazing place based on your vacation to a resort. This same statement would go for anything, any country, state, city, etc.

But then again, you can't/won't understand this, so i suppose it doesn't really matter right?
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: SickBeast
My GF has toured Cuba extensively and says she never noticed the least bit of poverty.

I have to call shens on this, you can "extensively" visit almost any country in the world and find "the least bit of poverty" pretty easily.

I could be wrong and Cuba is a latin paradise where nothing is wrong, everyone is happy, and everything it perfect. Even though the available facts don't bear that out.....
Well, you would have to ask her about it. Like I said, she even went for dinner at one of their houses. I'm just telling you, the streets there were immaculate. Some of the dwellings looked a bit worn down, but I don't consider that 'poverty'. I suppose we may be getting lost in semantics here. What I mean by poverty, is that you don't see any kids starving in the streets. In fact, I didn't see a single homeless person there. The government feeds *everyone*...I suppose by 'poverty', I'm taking about starvation and death because people can't afford to eat. That does not exist in Cuba. The problems there are purely political. The people there are basically well fed, well cared for, and well educated slaves of Fidel Castro. I *do* have a personal issue with that. I'm just saying, I expected them to be waaaay poorer than they actually are.
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
LOL. Dude goes to the touristy parts of Cuba and formulates an impression. Feels strongly enough about it to post on a message board forum. Canadian public school system FTW!!!!

WTF is wrong with you? I have been to Disney World and I am positive that is what the rest of the country is like.

haha, damn you beat me to it!

you mean America doesn't have brick lined streets with large dancing animals on evey corner!!!!! (this is how is argument sounds to me :) )
All three of you are ridiculous. I left my resort of my own accord, used public transportation, and toured the city closest to my resort (Varadero). My GF has toured Cuba extensively and says she never noticed the least bit of poverty. I'm surprised your types of behaviour are tolerated on these boards. :thumbsdown:

the fact that you honestly believe cuba is some dreamland paradise blows my mind. You continue to use the word "resort" which also makes me chuckle. Your story also keeps changing. First you base your ENTIRE argument on your isolated 'journey' through the tourist area of cuba and that your GF had dinner with some family or somthing?

People aren't "CRAZY RIGHT WING NUTS!!!" or whatever garbage you wanna call them. They are just pointing out how ridiculous it is that you are attempting to inform people that Cuba is an amazing place based on your vacation to a resort. This same statement would go for anything, any country, state, city, etc.

But then again, you can't/won't understand this, so i suppose it doesn't really matter right?
I don't know how to make this any clearer to you: WE LEFT THE RESORT. I have said that all along. How could I swim with dolphins without leaving the resort? My GF has been to Cuba 5 times and *has* travelled the island extensively.

I don't think Cuba is a dreamland paradise. All I'm saying is that it's not the wasteland that CNN says it is.

Many people on here are very right-wing. I was called a communist within 10 seconds of my first post in the thread, link and everything.
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The US embargo may be bad for Cuba; however, when people are willing to dy to get out of that country, one needs to ask why?
I'm guessing freedom is the answer. The only reasons I've been getting have been purely political. From what I saw, freedom and perhaps more money is all that they are missing in Cuba.
 

ric1287

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
LOL. Dude goes to the touristy parts of Cuba and formulates an impression. Feels strongly enough about it to post on a message board forum. Canadian public school system FTW!!!!

WTF is wrong with you? I have been to Disney World and I am positive that is what the rest of the country is like.

haha, damn you beat me to it!

you mean America doesn't have brick lined streets with large dancing animals on evey corner!!!!! (this is how is argument sounds to me :) )
All three of you are ridiculous. I left my resort of my own accord, used public transportation, and toured the city closest to my resort (Varadero). My GF has toured Cuba extensively and says she never noticed the least bit of poverty. I'm surprised your types of behaviour are tolerated on these boards. :thumbsdown:

the fact that you honestly believe cuba is some dreamland paradise blows my mind. You continue to use the word "resort" which also makes me chuckle. Your story also keeps changing. First you base your ENTIRE argument on your isolated 'journey' through the tourist area of cuba and that your GF had dinner with some family or somthing?

People aren't "CRAZY RIGHT WING NUTS!!!" or whatever garbage you wanna call them. They are just pointing out how ridiculous it is that you are attempting to inform people that Cuba is an amazing place based on your vacation to a resort. This same statement would go for anything, any country, state, city, etc.

But then again, you can't/won't understand this, so i suppose it doesn't really matter right?
I don't know how to make this any clearer to you: WE LEFT THE RESORT. I have said that all along. How could I swim with dolphins without leaving the resort? My GF has been to Cuba 5 times and *has* travelled the island extensively.

I don't think Cuba is a dreamland paradise. All I'm saying is that it's not the wasteland that CNN says it is.

Many people on here are very right-wing. I was called a communist within 10 seconds of my first post in the thread, link and everything.

Yeah, and I am pretty sure the everyday life of a Cuban citizen includes swimming with the dolphins. Do you realize how that sounds? Thats comparable to saying: I DID LEAVE DISNEY WOLRD, I WENT TO UNIVERSAL STUDIOS!!!!!!!!!! (yeah, decided to stick with DL example).

You keep flip flopping on your arguments. Now you are down to "its not a wasteland", while in previous posts you compare it to modern Europe, that you would rather live there than USA, that there is no poverty....etc. and now your GF went from:

1.) having dinner with a random family (which also happens to prove that the entire island is perfect somehow)
2.)An extensive traveler of the island.
3.) A 5 time explorer.

Are you starting to see why this sends of idiot alarms in 99% of people?
 

Pepsi90919

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: bapace
Originally posted by: SickBeast
To be honest, I think I would rather be a Communist than live under Bush's rule.

holy shit, what a fucking moronic statement. Get the fuck out then.

Agreed, GTFO of America if you are that stupid. We don't want to mix your genes into our only sorta-homogeneous cultural stew.

he does not live in your country

why does everyone here assume people live in the US? the internet is global.
Thanks. :)

You guys in Fort Erie must be good at dealing with people like this.
there are a number of members here in western NY, but no members between me and Burlington. so i have quite the job to do ;)
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: ric1287
You keep flip flopping on your arguments. Now you are down to "its not a wasteland", while in previous posts you say you compare it to modern Europe, say you would rather live there than USA, that there is no poverty....etc. Now your GF went from:

1.) having dinner with a random family (which also happens to prove that the entire island is perfect somehow)
2.)An extensive traveler of the island.
3.) A 5 time explorer.

Are you starting to see why this sends of idiot alarms in 99% of people?
I cropped the beginning of your post because your repeated crap is starting to really annoy me.

In response to the rest: I really felt no need to involve my GF in this thread. It was only after being pestered by numerous people that I decided to share more about her travels in Cuba. I'm sure she has pics to prove that she has been there 5 times, if you want. She might even have pics of her having dinner with them for all I know. She certainly has pictures of Havana. I'll talk to her tonight and see what I can do; she's at work now (I'm a teacher).

By the way, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from referring to people as 'idiots'. I'm far from it. You don't even know me. I'm tempted to contact the mods, so watch it.
 

Pepsi90919

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Here's a 'quality of life' link

Cuba ranked 108th overall, but I think the numbers are a little skewed. They were given "0" for freedom. I understand they have less freedom than people living under a democracy, but really, they can pretty much do what they want when they're not at work.

They scored very high on environment and culture, which is what I experienced and I suppose what I base most of my opinions on.

You have no idea what freedom is, do you?
Canadians have more civil liberties than Americans.

er, I wouldn't go that far. as (more of) a socialist country, the government maintains a certain amount of control.
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Pfft. I'd like to see you teach in a second language and design countless buildings and site layouts for major corporations. :roll:
So you are a part time TOESL instructor who dabbles in architecture? Is your name Art Vandalay, per chance?

I don't owe you any apologies. I offered one to GuideBot because I realized that I had made a mistake. Waggy was alright, too. The other people like you who just stormed into the thread to insult me should all get a vacation from the forums (and maybe visit Cuba...don't forget to stop in Canada first, though - you can't get in otherwise).

See, as I was apparently too subtle originally, let me be more blunt. when you post some ignorant drivel and then invite comments, you have to expect to be called on it. taking the self-righteous defense that your post was sweet and nice and that all the people who flamed you should be banned is the internet equivalent of putting out a grass fire with jet fuel. Let's look back at your posts, shall we?

Really and truly, if I had the chance I would be very tempted to immigrate there.
This is a place on everyone's list of places to NOT live. The people who do live there are constantly trying to escape. In fact they are SO desperate to escape that they try to navigate the open ocean in innertubes and home made boats. I do not need to have lived in, visited or flown over its airspace to know that is a stupid comment.

IMO they have equal quality of life to Europe TODAY.
While I am sure some cubans have it better than some Europeans, you can't possibly expect anyone to take seriously the conjecture that one of the poorest countries in the world has a better QOL that, say Germany or Holland or the EU as a whole. It is just such a red herring to your original point that it is a nice place to visit that it can't be left to go unanswered.

The people are fine living there, and most are actually ok with Castro. He provides everyone with food, education (free university), and there is a zero-unemployment rate (I guess in a sense they are all his 'slaves' - he is reportedly a billionaire). In any event, as I said, they seem to live quite well even on very little money.
Anyone have a new car? big screen TV? brand name clothes? a weight problem?

By paying taxes I would be supporting their actions. Honestly I would contantly feel compelled to start a revolution and protest all the time.
Well, you took a big left turn from vacation photos, when living in the US became adisgusting shameful act and living in Cuba an ideal to aspire to.

You've just exemplified why I had a better time in Cuba than I have ever had in the US. I've visited the "touristy" parts of the States, and Cuba was *way* nicer. Oh, and the people were 10 times friendlier. You might want to work on that.
You are surprised that poor people in a country living on tourism are friendly to rich tourists?

Perhaps things are better now than they once were. My hotel was a few miles from the closest point between the US and Cuba; it's apparently where they try to do that. I didn't see anyone attempting it.
So, in a country where packing 50 people into a rowboat with a 40HP outboard and a gallon of fresh water gets you jail time, you are suprised noone tried leaving when you were watching?

That's just some of your drivel on page one of this thread. So, I'll leave you to some introspection. Maybe you'll get it and maybe you'll go back to gnawing on your lead paint chips...
 

Pepsi90919

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Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
They are ingenious though!
Those certainly aren't bathtubs. :p

They are good with cars there. Just about every car I saw was vintage from the 50's.

it's because there's an embargo. they HAVE to be good with cars or they'll have none.

That was a joke you'd get if you looked at the link.

Besides other countries than America make cars.

Japan.
China.
Germany.

to name a big set of 3.

I hate it when people try to blame the U.S. for Cuba's faults. Instead blame the fact that it's run by an old crooked regime that has temper tantrums.
i was commenting on "Just about every car I saw was vintage from the 50's". i didn't care about whatever the link was.
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Here's a 'quality of life' link

Cuba ranked 108th overall, but I think the numbers are a little skewed. They were given "0" for freedom. I understand they have less freedom than people living under a democracy, but really, they can pretty much do what they want when they're not at work.

They scored very high on environment and culture, which is what I experienced and I suppose what I base most of my opinions on.

You have no idea what freedom is, do you?
Canadians have more civil liberties than Americans.

er, I wouldn't go that far. as (more of) a socialist country, the government maintains a certain amount of control.
Our taxes are only higher because of healthcare and education, and that is completely offset by the higher prices Americans pay for heath care (not to mention things like road tolls).

Why does this thread keep crawling into P&N territory? Is there a way to have it moved?
 

BoomerD

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I doubt life in Cuba is as rosy as the OP wants to believe it is...othewise, Cubans wouldn't risk EVERYTHING to leave in droves.

As for the Government's food program:

http://www.durangoherald.com/a...s/04/news040504_21.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/Internat...l/wireStory?id=3338659

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FE482

Although I'm sure the OP will denounce those as "right-wing propaganda", it appears that the Cuban government helps supplement the food supply of the people living there, but doesn't actually provide ALL their food...just a meager ration equal to about 11 calories per day.