CRYORIG R1 Ultimate & R1 Universal on the market

[doyll49]

CryOrig has released their product line; R1 Ultimate, R1 Universal (has better RAM clearance), XT140 fan and XF140 fan in Japan, Korea & Tiawan. Today they are selling in Germany. The MSRP is $89.90 US but the German internet price is € 69.90.. Subract 19% VAT and that is closer to $79.00. UK price is supposed to be £55 (£46 + VAT) according to Vortez.. although I have not seen anyone advertising it here yet. If that is true than about $76.00.

Not as big as the TC14PE
R1 Ultimate = 130x142.4x168.3mm (LxWxH)
PH-TC14PE = 159x140x171mm

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Each tower has two sections of fins; front half is 2.4mm spacing and back half is 1.8mm

Vortez comparison of R1 Ultimate show:
Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme 2.6c cooler,
Silverstone HE01 is only 0.5c cooler,
Dark Rock Pro 2 is 4.1c warmer,
NH-D14 SE2011 is 7.9c warmer.

Vortez only monitors room ambient instead of monitoring the temperature of air going into cooler / radiator. Not using cooler/radiator intake air temp when testing in a case means CLCs have definite advantage over air coolers because

• they move more air through case (their fans are additional exhaust from case)
• they dump all their own heated air outside of case
• air coolers dump their heated air inside of case
• raising the case air temperature
• every degree warmer the air going into cooler/radiator is translates to about a degree warmer the CPU is

I've had mine for over a month and am seeing similar results. Fantastic cooler.:wub: Was a breeze to mount, looks great, performs better than I hoped and is quiet too! Could ask for more... well not much more. :whiste:

 

[BonzaiDuck]

CryOrig has released the line of R1 Ultimate, R1 Universal (has better RAM clearance), XT140 fan and XF140 fan in Japan, Korea & Tiawan. Today they are selling in Germany. The MSRP is $89.90 US but the German internet price is € 69.90.. Subract 19% VAT and that is closer to $79.00. UK price is supposed to be £55 (£46 + VAT) according to Vortez.. although I have not seen anyone advertising it here yet. If that is true than about $76.00.

Vortez comparison of R1 Ultimate show:
Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme 2.6c cooler,
Silverstone HE01 is only 0.5c cooler,
Dark Rock Pro 2 is 4.1c warmer,
NH-D14 SE2011 is 7.9c warmer.

Vortez only monitors room ambient instead of monitoring the temperature of air going into cooler / radiator. Not using cooler/radiator intake air temp when testing in a case means CLCs have definite advantage over air coolers because

• they move more air through case (their fans are additional exhaust from case)
• they dump all their own heated air outside of case
• air coolers dump their heated air inside of case
• raising the case air temperature
• every degree warmer the air going into cooler/radiator is translates to about a degree warmer the CPU is

You should provide us a link to the CryOrig thingamabob.

I'm afraid I'll have to discount your bullets. Any air-cooled rig done thoughtfully will have just as much exhaust as your AiO radiator, even with fewer fans. An especially thoughtful design would reflect some features of the ASUS Sabertooth motherboard -- with cheap materials, you could force air through narrow spaces around hot motherboard components, to be dumped into its own case exhaust; less optimally, all that air would be pushed through the CPU cooler without spending a lot of time inside the case. Even there, I'm not inclined to think that having the CPU cooler get some "sloppy seconds" is going to make a difference, provided the airflow is much better than "anemic."

Anyway, the comparison reviews we've posted here in this forum show that some AiOs rate slightly worse than some air coolers, while others like H100, the "Kuhler" models and the Nepton rate from about 5C to 10C better than top-rated air.

But we are expecting a new entrant -- a replacement to the older NH-D14. If that "double-U14S" design gets within 5C degrees of the Nepton 280L's performance, many will choose it to avoid uncertainties about pump failure and other things.

With margins that close, other factors have more influence on choice.

I'm not acting here as an advocate for air-coolers. It's true that I've used them consistently, accepting the limitations. But if there are performance drawbacks from heatpipe coolers, there are other drawbacks of water cooling. For instance, even if the Nepton 280L is priced at $120-something, you don't get a $95 pump in the bargain. If you want custom-water-cooling, you have to pay more and do more to get it. With the AiO's, you only get a margin of performance, but we're not entirely sure what else -- negative or positive.

See -- I've had my eye on the Nepton cooler for a couple weeks now. If Noctua's April release of the "double-U14S" performs like I think it may, I may likely pick the Noctua. These other items in the market -- we need to see comparison reviews for them with reliable results.

 

[doyll49]

CRYORIG R1 Ultimate - MSRP of $89.95

A Closer look at the CRYORIG R1 Ultimate

CRYORIG’s first launch product the CRYORIG R1 Ultimate is the accumulation of years of research and design. CRYOIG is now revealing a more detailed explanation and closer look at the R1 Ultimate’s extremely long list of trademarked technology and patented designs.

DirectCompress™ Soldering
CRYORIG’s patented DirectCompress™ Soldering, increases the actual contact surface between the heatpipe and heatsink fins. Traditional soldering requires a cut out area next to the heatpipe through hole in order to pass through soldering tools. DirectCompress™ Soldering requires no cut out and has on average at least 10% more contact surface compared to traditional soldering, and the more contact surface the faster the heat conduction.

Heatpipe Displacement Optimization™
On aluminum sheets, heat spreads out in a radial direction. By displacing the heatpipe alignment on the heatsink fins, our Heatsink Displacement Optimization™ allows for better and more evenly spread heat conduction on the fins compared to traditional linear alignment.

Jet Fin Acceleration System™
The individual tower stack on the R1 Ultimate is separated into two sections, the wider gap air intake and the high density exhaust section. By the laws of fluid dynamics, the increase in fin count in the exhaust section squeezes airflow and increases exhaust air speed. The increase of airflow speed in our Jet Fin Acceleration System™ allows heated air to leave the tower faster.

Heatpipe Convex-Align™ System
The R1 Ultimate’s Heatpipe Convex-Align™ System allows for more heatpipes in a given area, optimized heatpipe placement in the copper base, and improved alignment with your CPU. With the Heatpipe Convex-Align™ System, each heatpipe functions to their maximum TDP capacity.

Acoustic Optimizations
Acoustics are just as important as performance. That’s why both the XF140 and XT140 140mm fan integrate acoustic optimizations. Both fans featuring High Precision Low Noise (HPLN&#8482 Sleeve Bearing and the detachable Acoustic Vibration Absorbers that gives the fan a snugger fit while canceling vibration and noise at the same time.

Patent Pending “MultiSeg™” Quick Mount System
CRYORIG’s MultiSeg™ Quick Mount System, features a 1.5mm thick mechanical structure reinforced metal backplate and precision pressure calculated spring screw mounting system. The MultiSeg™ Quick Mount System delivers a quick, ultra secure and sturdy all in one solution on Intel LGA115X platforms. Mount your R1 Ultimate in a matter of minutes.

Product Warranty
Besides the trademarks over trademarks of features, the R1 Ultimate is offering up to six years warranty upon product registration. Each CRYORIG product (besides the CP9 Cryo-Paste) will come with a unique VIP Product Registration Card. By registering your product you not only extend your product warranty to the max of six years, you also instantly become a CRYORIG.com VIP member. VIP members are instantly eligible for our worldwide VIP prize draws, and get a chance to win limited edition products and more!

Product Specifications

CRYORIG R1

Dimension ( with fan ) L130 mm x W140 mm x H168.3 mm
Weight ( with fan ) 1248 g
Weight ( without fan ) 936 g
Heat pipes 6mm heatpipe x 7 units
Copper Base C1100 Pure copper nickel plated

XF140
Dimension L140 mm x W140 mm x H25.4 mm
Weight 156 g
Rated Speed 700 ~ 1300 RPM ±10 %
Noise Level 19 ~ 23 dBA
Air Flow 76 CFM
Connector 4Pin PWM

The CRYORIG R1 Ultimate is scheduled for release on Jan. 2014, in select countries and regions. North America, Japan and Korea MSRP is set at 89.95USD. Please stay tuned to CRYORIG.com for further launch information and regional pricing.

For detailed explanation of the R1 Ultimate please visit:
http://www.cryorig.com/r1-ultimate.php

For full high-definition product photos of the CRYORIG R1 Ultimate, please visit:
http://www.cryorig.com/p_gallery_lists.php

 

[doyll49]

I'm afraid I'll have to discount your bullets. Any air-cooled rig done thoughtfully will have just as much exhaust as your AiO radiator, even with fewer fans. An especially thoughtful design would reflect some features of the ASUS Sabertooth motherboard -- with cheap materials, you could force air through narrow spaces around hot motherboard components, to be dumped into its own case exhaust; less optimally, all that air would be pushed through the CPU cooler without spending a lot of time inside the case. Even there, I'm not inclined to think that having the CPU cooler get some "sloppy seconds" is going to make a difference, provided the airflow is much better than "anemic."

Anyway, the comparison reviews we've posted here in this forum show that some AiOs rate slightly worse than some air coolers, while others like H100, the "Kuhler" models and the Nepton rate from about 5C to 10C better than top-rated air.

But we are expecting a new entrant -- a replacement to the older NH-D14. If that "double-U14S" design gets within 5C degrees of the Nepton 280L's performance, many will choose it to avoid uncertainties about pump failure and other things.

With margins that close, other factors have more influence on choice.

I'm not acting here as an advocate for air-coolers. It's true that I've used them consistently, accepting the limitations. But if there are performance drawbacks from heatpipe coolers, there are other drawbacks of water cooling. For instance, even if the Nepton 280L is priced at $120-something, you don't get a $95 pump in the bargain. If you want custom-water-cooling, you have to pay more and do more to get it. With the AiO's, you only get a margin of performance, but we're not entirely sure what else -- negative or positive.

See -- I've had my eye on the Nepton cooler for a couple weeks now. If Noctua's April release of the "double-U14S" performs like I think it may, I may likely pick the Noctua. These other items in the market -- we need to see comparison reviews for them with reliable results.

Problem is reviews using cases are not done "thoughfully." They are usually just a box stock case.. and when they install a 240 CLC radiator in the top where there were no fans to start with that's 2 more 120mm fans exhausting air from the case than the air cooler in same case has.

Every degree warmer the air is going into an air cooler is a degree warmer the CPU will be.

All of this is really irrelevant because the simple solution is to monitor the air temp going into cooler / radiator and not the temperature of room.

Think of the room ambient temp as the ambient temp of your home.
The computer case is your family room
The CPU & GPU is your fireplace.
Your home is 23c.
You light the fireplace and family room warms up to 27c
But the rest of your home is still 23c
So you open the door and windows in family room, but the it's still 25c
The rest of home starts to cool down, furnace kicks on to maintain the 23c, and family room warms up

How many of the reviews you refer to monitor the cooler / radiator intake air temp and not the room them?

:thumbsdown:The reality is these reviews using room ambient have no idea what the air temp going into CPU cooler or GPU cooler is. They are not doing a "scientific" test of cooler performance because they are only guessing at what cooler intake air temp is. :thumbsdown:

:thumbsup:And the solution is so simple. Monitor the air temperature going into component being tested. Not the temperature on a thermometer mounted on the wall 3 meters away. :whiste:

I do agree that CLC (different from AIO as they are sealed system) are about the same and maybe the best are marginally better than top air coolers. I think that is changing with the likes of Swiftech H320 and similar.. but again it is not a CLC, it is a AIO.

Indeed.
The new Silver Arrow IB-E is coming too.
As is the CapTherm MP1120

I need to check out the Nepton


I do like smileys :wub: We need the head banging against the wall one.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Geesh! I thought this CryOrig thingie was an all-in-one cooler -- water with a pump! That's a heatpipe cooler!

I can't believe the case interior air of my rig is significantly different than room ambient. A different rig with smaller intake fans -- then yes.

I was going to make a footnote to the comparisons you posted earlier. Not "sensitive" about my NH_D14 (three-year-old design), I've posted in this cooling forum several times recently about my startling result for replacing the two limp Noctua fans with a single 140mm Akasa. I don't hear any extra noise that blunts my joy over the result.

But every comparison review that cites the (old) D14 should be revised by the reader to show 5C better for it with the right fan replacement. So when the listing you posted said "7.9C warmer," read "~3C warmer."

That's not a big margin. So what will we get in April, with that double-U14S release? Don't know.

And I'm still "thinking" about building a bong. I just don't know if it's possible to find 8"-dia PVC tubing -- let alone "clear" PVC . . . What would you use in substitute for PVC pipe? That's why I'm "thinking" . . .

AFTERTHOUGHT: I think I agree about the choice of room ambient versus "air-going-into-the cooler." I need to think more about this, but that choice would be more intrinsic to the cooler -- and therefore the comparison. It separates the responsibility of the enthusiast/builder who might have warmer or cooler case interior temperatures. I guess the question is really "When does the testbed remain standard across all test subject, and when does it change because the configuration of one subject modifies it?"

Isn't that what we're saying?

 

[doyll49]

Indeed. Using room ambient leaves many variables that are removed when the component intake air temp is used.

It's cheap and easy to do. A simple digital indoor/outdoor wired remote thermometer, a 30cm piece of wire, an all plastic clothespin and some tape. Twist the wire into probe lead from probe back about 20cm and put the clothespin on the end. Position probe 2-5cm in front of component intake.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I've always tried to read those reviews to see what was deliberately hyped, or what was carefully controlled (like the test-bed). Ultimately, if you get a 25-product comparison review from Anandtech, a 10-product comparison from Tech-Report, another from Frosty-tech and another from Bit-Tech -- you have some decent information.

But you really raise an important question, now that we have these closed-loop water-cooling entries. If there is something that the reviewers innocently failed to account for, it will distort the decisions of buyers. If it were only the difference between heatpipe coolers, that's one thing. But an apples and oranges situation -- that's another.

Aigomorla came in here in a huff the other day, peeved at Jakob Dellinger's interview. We all know that --yes -- it's a matter of simple physics in the sheer performance of an optimized water-cooling setup and a heatpipe cooler. But that's not the debate.

If people have reasons for sacrificing sheer performance while getting the best they can with their decisions, it's less important that you can do 20C better with high-end water-cooling.

I still think Dellinger had something right, though, if only to compare with the sealed-unit water-coolers. It "boils" down to the size of the IHS and then the size of the processor die. You can only remove so much energy over a unit of time . . . and the size factor is making it more troublesome even if the TDP's of the cores are coming down.

 

[doyll49]

Indeed.
Problem is none of the reviewers you listed monitor the component intake air temp.

I think it's still a variable with only air coolers. It doesn't take much of a change to have a significant effect of airflow. The fin design, pipe layout pattern, cooler offsets (HR-02, HR-03, Silver Arrow IB-E, R1, air speed through cooler, exhaust fan speed all play a part in how the air flows from cooler to and out of exhaust vent.

CryOrig R1 is a good example of how fin design affects airflow / cooling.
http://www.cryorig.com/r1-ultimate.php

"Boiling" it down to new technology in cooling could very possibly overcome the chip heat issue. We used to use blocks of aluminum and/or copper with fins and extreme users were making their own water coolers. Now extreme users are cooling with liquid nitrogen. Maybe a new cooling liquid / design will be developed taking us another step toward better cooling.

I know you've seen the MP1120. :thumbsup:

 

[doyll49]

Here's a little more detail of what I mean about testing CLC and air coolers in cases without monitoring the air temperature going into cooler / radiator.

Vortez comparison of R1 Ultimate show:

• Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme 2.6c cooler with 2x 2500rpm 130cfm fans
• Silverstone HE01 is only 0.5c cooler with 2000rpm 171cfm fan
• Dark Rock Pro 2 is 4.1c warmer,
• NH-D14 SE2011 is 7.9c warmer.

Vortez only monitors room ambient instead of monitoring the temperature of air going into cooler / radiator. This skews their CLC reading to be 5-10c warmer. Not using cooler/radiator intake air temp when testing in a case means CLCs have definite advantage over air coolers because

• they move more air through case (their fans are additional exhaust from case)
• they dump all their own heated air outside of case
• air coolers dump their heated air inside of case
• raising the case air temperature
• every degree warmer the air going into cooler/radiator is translates to about a degree warmer the CPU is

i7 3820 @4.75GHz
Temperature is delta.
H100 . . . . . . . . . 41c2500rpm . . . . . . . . . 55dBA 2x fans (stock)
SA SB-E . . . . . . . 42c1100rpm & 1300rpm. . 38dBA TY-150 & TY-141 (stock)
SA SB-E Extreme. . 34c2500rpm . . . . . . . . . 56dBA 2x TY-143 (stock)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6xrsuPwDbo
jump in to 3:40 for results

And that doesn't even address the noise level of CryOrig R1 Ultimate compared to the others.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Here's a little more detail of what I mean about testing CLC and air coolers in cases without monitoring the air temperature going into cooler / radiator.

Vortez comparison of R1 Ultimate show:

• Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme 2.6c cooler with 2x 2500rpm 130cfm fans
• Silverstone HE01 is only 0.5c cooler with 2000rpm 171cfm fan
• Dark Rock Pro 2 is 4.1c warmer,
• NH-D14 SE2011 is 7.9c warmer.

Vortez only monitors room ambient instead of monitoring the temperature of air going into cooler / radiator. This skews their CLC reading to be 5-10c warmer. Not using cooler/radiator intake air temp when testing in a case means CLCs have definite advantage over air coolers because

• they move more air through case (their fans are additional exhaust from case)
• they dump all their own heated air outside of case
• air coolers dump their heated air inside of case
• raising the case air temperature
• every degree warmer the air going into cooler/radiator is translates to about a degree warmer the CPU is

i7 3820 @4.75GHz
Temperature is delta.
H100 . . . . . . . . . 41c2500rpm . . . . . . . . . 55dBA 2x fans (stock)
SA SB-E . . . . . . . 42c1100rpm & 1300rpm. . 38dBA TY-150 & TY-141 (stock)
SA SB-E Extreme. . 34c2500rpm . . . . . . . . . 56dBA 2x TY-143 (stock)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6xrsuPwDbo
jump in to 3:40 for results

And that doesn't even address the noise level of CryOrig R1 Ultimate compared to the others.

Overlapping other threads on the air-vs-water topic, it's useful attempting to recall the gains made by air-coolers over the years. If that niche and industry can just manage another 10C improvement in LinX load temperature, certain balances in market-demand would be altered.

But you can only get so many heatpipes equally mated to an IHS, and putting heatpipes on top of heatpipes would almost seem useless. But for the 10C, who says they won't be able to do it?

 

[doyll49]

Another Cryorig R1 Ultimate review is out!
http://www.nikktech.com/main/articl...yorig-r1-ultimate-cpu-cooler?showall=&start=5
Shows XSPC Raystorm 750 EX280 is 4.6c cooler than Cryorig R1 Ultimate. Interesting how a cooler (H2O) costing almost 3 times as much is only 4.6c cooler.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Another Cryorig R1 Ultimate review is out!
http://www.nikktech.com/main/articl...yorig-r1-ultimate-cpu-cooler?showall=&start=5
Shows XSPC Raystorm 750 EX280 is 4.6c cooler than Cryorig R1 Ultimate. Interesting how a cooler (H2O) costing almost 3 times as much is only 4.6c cooler.

As per another thread, I'm "conceptually exploring" a separate project to build a bong cooler. I aim to take my time if "conceptual" becomes "actual." In the meantime, I'm going to look with expectation for reviews of that "dual-U14S" from Noctua.

Somehow, being inclined and aligned with air-cooling aficionados, water makes more sense only if it's "better than water."

After these and other results, I'm not sure I'd ever buy an H100, Raystorm EX280, or even a Nepton 280L. Suppose the anticipated "dual-U14S" falls 5C short of one of these CLC. . . AiO or whatevers? And suppose it has another pair of limp Noctua fans? Maybe it could even exceed those coolers in performance. It seems logically possible, since the NH-U14S comes pretty close.

I really have the "New Build" fever this year. Gotta . . . getta . . . grip on myself . . . :|

 

[doyll49]

Another review out. No comparison coolers but shows good detail images of cooler and install
http://www.coolaler.com/showthread.php/312311-大塔型散熱器-CRYORIG-R1-Ultimate-開箱測試?p=3211360

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Another review out. No comparison coolers but shows good detail images of cooler and install
http://www.coolaler.com/showthread.php/312311-大塔型散熱器-CRYORIG-R1-Ultimate-開箱測試?p=3211360

I can't read Chinese or even "Pin-Yin," but the screenies show it. For an i7-2600K, the temperature maximums for stress at 4.8 to 5.0Ghz really shows something there. Those peak core averages are better than my own core average @ 4.7 Ghz with the D14 cooler . . . by at least 5C. So it would be even more revealing to see what 4.7 would show.

Yet, it's not an "oranges-to-oranges" comparison unless the processor is loaded by the same software -- in my case, LinX. The review shows something like Super-Pi or "Hyper-Pi."

And -- gee whiz! -- look at the voltages they needed to get those overclocks. . .

Let's say the R1 Ultimate has "great promise." We'll only know how much from comparison reviews that really thermally stress the processor.