Crush = nVidia nForce chipset?

[DevilsAdvocate]

Interesting bit on this over at The Register

Integrated GF2 MX PLUS? Fast as a GF2 GTS? Wow...
Integrated Dolby Digital Surround? Wow...

I know I saw an article somewhere that talked about a DX8 complaint northbridge to be released around the first of the year... If nVidia's video chipsets run on 6 month cycles, would it be possible/likely for nVidia to apply the same standards to their new integrated chipset?

Also - do you think this might be the sort of thing that would lead Intel to finally buy ATi to combat nVidia/AMD?

Flame away...

 

[Killrose]

Is it sampling yet? Sounds like quite a chipset, definately going to hurt Via if it works even halfway decent.

 

[Rand]

it's being LAUNCHED on the 4'th of next month?!

I definitely didnt know it was that soon. Or at least that's what the Reg article seems to indicate.
This is shaping up to be one hell of a 4'th... server Palomino, 760MP, 1.4GHz Athlon, 2 NVidia Crush chipsets....

I still have little faith in NVidia's upcoming chipsets but I'll be interested in how they do.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Ya for all we know the nvidia chipsets can sucks more than ali's socket7 chipset.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Very true... but if nVidia can deliver that kind of performance in integrated video and audio, it could be a dark day for just about every chipset manufacturer.

If nVidia can corner this market, what is to stop them from developing a CPU to take on AMD or intel. Would it be possible for nVidia to gather enough capital to buy AMD? Intel would almost have to buy ATi to compete in the integrated video market.

Where does this leave Via? The answer could be codenamed Columbia... That's right! S3 could be back stirring up tech support nightmares with a 3d chip that is *supposed* to compete with the best ATi and nVidia has to offer.

 

[bluemax]

I've been waiting on the Crush chipsets for a long time now... I'm juuuust waiting. 4th quarter, eh? Can I hold out that long? Will I break down and get a ProSavage core instead? (Not that I'd use Prosavage forever...)
I wonder if a Crush board would cost as much as a mobo + cheap MX anyways, in which case there's not much point until they come down in price to almost match a board with NO video.

You realize, EVERYONE will have a Crush board at that point, except die-hards who need GF3's.

 

[bluemax]

WHOA!!!! I just re-read.... 4th of June!!!! OOOYAH!!!
I gotta' call my nVidia gal and see if she still remembers me...
(You still love me? Can you help a poor guy out? I'll give it glowing reviewwwwwws..... *wink*)

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

bluemax raises an interesting point...

This will essentially kill the value video market. If nVidia can sell these boards 'price-competitive' to video-less boards, there would be no reason whatsoever for the average gamer/user to purchase any alternative.

Thinking back to the SNAP alliance, this could fix AMD's name recognition problem. Intel has done well largely because people are comfortable with the Intel name. You'll find a lot of people here (and especially in IT) that buy intel CPU's and chipsets, because the intel name is well known and respected. INtel is synonymous with stability.

AMD has had a problem getting a killer chipset. There have been many chipsets by Via, AMD, ALi, and now SiS - but none have the name recognition of the evil empire....err nVidia. AMD and nVidia are both household names. If nVidia can get AMD the lost cost, feature rich platform it desparately needs, AMD will thrive...

Integrated GTS-like video, Dolby surround... all for the cost of a mortal motherboard... this could propel AMD systems, which were already a solid value choice to the big time...

With the notebook versions of this chipset, AMD should own the notebook market, and with these mobos AMD will own the value/integrated PC market.

Hmmm.... how will intel respond?

 

[dolphins]

Advocate putting intel aside for a second, the question should also be "How will ATI respond?". This is going straight for the jugular , ATI survives on oem contracts what will happen to them once nvidia can market an all in one board, obviously depending on the cost of this thing. Does ATI, other than the recent anouncement of selling their chips to other card makers, have anything up their sleeve to counteract this? Will ATI be forced into the loving arms of Intel and its stack of cash?:Q

 

[JayPatel]

MSi announces an nForce based mobo.

 

[Odin30]

Wow this does sound promising.
Im building 2 systems this fall for regular users(non gamers-or slight gaming)
And with the integrated sound and video i could make a nice system with less money hopefully.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

dolphins -

point very well taken - nVidia definitely went for the jugular here. ATi will have to respond before intel does. But I think both will ultimately have to respond. An inexpensive, high quality, fully integrated solution for AMD systems could seriously injure intel as well.

Intel will have to respond in the integrated video arena and will have to go with either ATi or STMicro for an integrated video solution.

 

[dolphins]

If this board turns into any kind of performer the Intel celeron line is dead , cooked skewered this may be the celeron killing mainboard that AMD has been waiting on. Oems will be able to package a duron system at much cheaper prices than the current celerons with better performance. ATI
stock (ATYT) sitting at 7.30 as we speak, Intel just may be watching.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Agreed - Celeron is done if the nForce comes through with the goods. Gone too is the remaining life in the P3 line and well - just about all low end P4 sales. Intel could wake up 3 months from now to find itself relegated to the high end market.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

On a side note, I think this could signal the beginning of the end for the add-in graphic card industry. What do y'all think about that possibility?

 

[bluemax]

No, I don't think that will be the case.... there will always be "special needs" people who want something that the internal video can't do, such as dual monitors, hardware DVD, TV stuff, or just blazing top-of-the-line speed.

It WILL severely limit the NEED for them though, and make the nForce 64bit/128bit a defacto standard for all future games. Like 3dfx in its heyday.

 

[pidge]

I think there will be a day when the processor could be powerful enough that it can handle all components from video to audio, communications etc. and we won't need video cards however that day is still far far away. If the chipset is reliable, I do agree it is bad news for Intel. One of the reasons why Intel has done well so far in the budget PC line is because they have an affordable integrated mobo and a stable one to. If the NVIDIA chipset is just as cheap and reliable, it could mean a lot of business for AMD.