Crude oil dropped below 60/bl

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RU482

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Originally posted by: Muse
I haven't put any gas in my car since July 18th when I paid 4.399. I plan on gassing up at Costco Friday. I'm a rollerskating and bike kind of guy.

Your smugness is so last August
 

DrPizza

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When the hell is home heating oil going to come down? It's still in the high $3 range here. I'm sick of making bi-weekly trips for a few gallons while I wait for the price to drop so I can fill the tank. (minimum delivery here is 150 gallons, hence watching the price carefully can save quite a bit of money)
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
When the hell is home heating oil going to come down? It's still in the high $3 range here. I'm sick of making bi-weekly trips for a few gallons while I wait for the price to drop so I can fill the tank. (minimum delivery here is 150 gallons, hence watching the price carefully can save quite a bit of money)

Why do you think they still have it jacked?
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
When the hell is home heating oil going to come down? It's still in the high $3 range here. I'm sick of making bi-weekly trips for a few gallons while I wait for the price to drop so I can fill the tank. (minimum delivery here is 150 gallons, hence watching the price carefully can save quite a bit of money)

They're probably waiting for everyone to flinch so they can move the expensive shit they already bought. Don't you burn coal though?

I bought 100 gallons from my fuel co-op for 2.72 cash price the other day...it'll probably go down more but I paid 2.59 for my prebuy last year so that's not to bad. My wood could use another year of drying anyway. Others places quoted me like 3.30 though. They can take their heating oil and put it up their ass with that markup.

Vermont and NY seem to be getting raped on the way down with oil prices though.
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: TallBill
In Illinois we still get screwed because of the 15% ethanol mandate, plus crazy taxes. $2.40 still aint bad though.

Thank Obama and his corn ethanol lobby!
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DrPizza
When the hell is home heating oil going to come down? It's still in the high $3 range here. I'm sick of making bi-weekly trips for a few gallons while I wait for the price to drop so I can fill the tank. (minimum delivery here is 150 gallons, hence watching the price carefully can save quite a bit of money)

Why do you think they still have it jacked?
Because they hate America.

Is that the answer? What do I win?
 

ponyo

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I'm more concerned than happy to see crude break $60. I think that's a bad sign for the equities and could lead the stock market to drop below our previous 2008 low.
 

Born2bwire

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Originally posted by: shira
What I want to know is: How come the spread between the three major gasoline octane grades is now signivicantly larger than it was before oil begain its precipitous price decline? Specifically, the typical spread in the price per gallon used to be:

87-octane price = x
89-octane price = x + 10 cents
93-octane price = x + 20 cents


Now I see

87 octane = x
89 octane = x + 20
93 octane = x + 30

So the oil companies have jacked up the price of 89 and 93 octane by 10 cents a gallon relative to what the price used to be. Methinks we're still getting gouged.

It could be that with the tough economy, people are buying less of the premium grades. So the premium grades may have been bought at a higher price but are not being used up fast enough for their price to follow the price for regular.
 

jpeyton

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What poor airline execs got fired for "locking in" jet fuel deliveries when oil was trading at $140/barrel?

:laugh:
 

RU482

Lifer
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Originally posted by: DrPizza
When the hell is home heating oil going to come down? It's still in the high $3 range here. I'm sick of making bi-weekly trips for a few gallons while I wait for the price to drop so I can fill the tank. (minimum delivery here is 150 gallons, hence watching the price carefully can save quite a bit of money)

Around here, diesel has been dropping about 5c a day, I imagine this means heating oil will be soon to follow
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: DrPizza
When the hell is home heating oil going to come down? It's still in the high $3 range here. I'm sick of making bi-weekly trips for a few gallons while I wait for the price to drop so I can fill the tank. (minimum delivery here is 150 gallons, hence watching the price carefully can save quite a bit of money)

They're probably waiting for everyone to flinch so they can move the expensive shit they already bought. Don't you burn coal though?

I bought 100 gallons from my fuel co-op for 2.72 cash price the other day...it'll probably go down more but I paid 2.59 for my prebuy last year so that's not to bad. My wood could use another year of drying anyway. Others places quoted me like 3.30 though. They can take their heating oil and put it up their ass with that markup.

Vermont and NY seem to be getting raped on the way down with oil prices though.

Yes, I heat with coal. Just picked up a ton yesterday. Even the price of coal has gone way up. It was $270. But, my hot water tank is heated with oil. (And our stove & dryer are propane.) We were heating the water with kerosene, but eventually diesel became cheaper than kerosene (despite the road tax on it). Kerosene was still well over $4 the other day. The wife wants me to switch over to propane for the hot water, but I like my hot water too much. (The oil heats the hot water faster than it can be used - you have to actually increase the amount of cold water during a long shower.) I'm still using diesel until I get the tank filled. If I get irritated enough & it's worth the drive, I'll see if I can't find enough plastic tanks & take a ride down to PA (35-40 minutes) and bring back my heating oil. There's a refinery in Bradford, but I don't know if they produce heating oil.
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
One has to wonder if the price oil and gas going down was at first with the expectation of Obama winning and now with Obama winning?


Hard to tax those "windfall profits" now they are gone.

They were making "profits" back at $20.00 a barrel oil, you just gotta know which pocket to keep it in.
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
One has to wonder if the price oil and gas going down was at first with the expectation of Obama winning and now with Obama winning?


Hard to tax those "windfall profits" now they are gone.

They were making "profits" back at $20.00 a barrel oil, you just gotta know which pocket to keep it in.

Yep, 8% profit back then. Price of oil tripled, therefore their profits tripled. Because, you know, it's only fair that they make 8% profit on "their investment."
 

harobikes333

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America's economy affects the rest of the world. Whether they like it or not...

hence... why the gas prices have dropped lately...

I live in North Dakota where they are drilling for oil in the Bakken formation. I hope oil stays above 68 a barrel because if it goes below that they will stop drilling new wells....
 

PingSpike

Lifer
Feb 25, 2004
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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: DrPizza
When the hell is home heating oil going to come down? It's still in the high $3 range here. I'm sick of making bi-weekly trips for a few gallons while I wait for the price to drop so I can fill the tank. (minimum delivery here is 150 gallons, hence watching the price carefully can save quite a bit of money)

They're probably waiting for everyone to flinch so they can move the expensive shit they already bought. Don't you burn coal though?

I bought 100 gallons from my fuel co-op for 2.72 cash price the other day...it'll probably go down more but I paid 2.59 for my prebuy last year so that's not to bad. My wood could use another year of drying anyway. Others places quoted me like 3.30 though. They can take their heating oil and put it up their ass with that markup.

Vermont and NY seem to be getting raped on the way down with oil prices though.

Yes, I heat with coal. Just picked up a ton yesterday. Even the price of coal has gone way up. It was $270. But, my hot water tank is heated with oil. (And our stove & dryer are propane.) We were heating the water with kerosene, but eventually diesel became cheaper than kerosene (despite the road tax on it). Kerosene was still well over $4 the other day. The wife wants me to switch over to propane for the hot water, but I like my hot water too much. (The oil heats the hot water faster than it can be used - you have to actually increase the amount of cold water during a long shower.) I'm still using diesel until I get the tank filled. If I get irritated enough & it's worth the drive, I'll see if I can't find enough plastic tanks & take a ride down to PA (35-40 minutes) and bring back my heating oil. There's a refinery in Bradford, but I don't know if they produce heating oil.

Even at $270/ton I think coal is still the cheapest way to heat a house. You could always get a coal boiler and be done with it!

Heh...I suppose that is what will eventually force the price down. If they try to keep heating oil $0.70 more then mass (which has heating oil for 2.50 in some places) then some industrious individuals will put a diesel tank in the back of their pickup truck and do any end run around them. I know I saw some one looking for a fuel tank for his truck on craigslist last week.
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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Originally posted by: blackangst1
brent at $53 right now
What is on "oil-price.net" is just under $57. I think there is brent and light sweet, so sweet is pricier.

Well, I can make a pretty easy prediction: National average gasoline in the US will be under $2 at some point this year. As oil continues to fall we need to remember that gas still hasn't hit as low as it will even if oil plateaued right now--the delay means there's more at the pump even without the continuing destruction of oil values.

 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Gas is still too expensive.
The damage has been done by extremely overpriced energy. Gas needs to keep dropping until people recoup their losses. Maybe $1 per gallon, maybe less ...
 

halik

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Under 56/barrel

Yeah I'm sure the REAL demand for oil (deliveries) dropped so much over the past 6 months that the price crashed by 60%
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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I knew it was high but didn't think it was quite that high :) It's nice to see it fall, though. It was entirely reasonable to expect the US gas average to go under $3 again, but under $2 would have been a stretch--I'm not sure I read that from really anybody, but we're well on that path now. Since Oct 27th price has gone from $2.65 to $2.22 yesterday. Two weeks!
 

JS80

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Oct 24, 2005
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Originally posted by: halik
Under 56/barrel

Yeah I'm sure the REAL demand for oil (deliveries) dropped so much over the past 6 months that the price crashed by 60%

we will never know what the true price of oil is because futures positions are not transparent.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: halik
Under 56/barrel

Yeah I'm sure the REAL demand for oil (deliveries) dropped so much over the past 6 months that the price crashed by 60%

Probably not, but I'm sure the REAL demand for oil was so high that oil got pushed up to well over $100 a barrel.

I think it'll stop around 40, but lower would obviously be nice...