Crucial strikes again :(

[TunaBoo]

<< TunaBoo: With an IQ of 50 you would have trouble talking, much less building/trouble shooting PCs. From what you've said Tuna, if seems like you've got a huge ego. Instead of insulting him like the mature person you are, why don't you help him?


markrb: Ignore the morons with their lack of morals. Here's what I recommend you do. Try another brand of memory in your motherboard. Doesn't work? Replace the motherboard. >>



It has nothing to do with MY ego - its the ego of BLAH BLAH I made 50 million computers, so I know I do _NOT_ have to try a different motherboard. Troubleshooting as rather universal, and if you choose to not follow the steps then it is your own damn fault, and not crucials. Wangs.

 

[LikeLinus]

It definately does sound like user error or a bad mobo. You've yet to try the ram in different mobos or possibly even slots? You haven't told us a single thing you did to trouble shoot this situation? You just blame Crucial. 3 Bad Sticks in a row? Nah

 

[Kingofcomputer]

try a different mb

 

[Bozo Galora]

and just remember this: don't you ever, EVER bad mouth one of the sacred four on this forum again!!!!!!
(Crucial, Plextor, Newegg, or AMD) :| :| :| :| :|

 

[markrb]

Ok let me get this straight.

Tuna Boo I say that I apoligize for being a hasty and yet you still slam me.
I have said several times I should have tested the memory in another board and admit my error and yet you slam me.
I have said I worked for EMC, the number one vendor of high end storage in the world, and you call them a crappy company.

I asked you if you have actually used this board to get your opinion of it and you ignore that question.

Where did you get the fact that I consider myself a know it all? If I did would I even be here?

Other then my first post and my hasty and way to defensive reply to your post I have posted nothing inflamatory or derogative in any way.
Your posts have been nothing but derogatory and far from helpful.

I have already stated that I have no DDR boards around.

Here is they way I see it and I will leave it at this.

I was to hasty in my original post and became too defensive to your outright attacks.
I could say many bad things about you, but I do not want to get into a pissing contest.
You know nothing of me or what knowledge I have or don't have.
Read your posts and point out one constructive thing you have said.

Why am I even wasting my time defending myself to you. I don't give a rats ass what you think about me.

To all the rest that have attempted to help. This is my current plan. I will be getting the latest module from Crucial probably tomorrow.
If that doesn't work I will take the module and try it in another motherboard at a distributers. If it works fine there I will RMA the board.


I never wanted to sound anti Crucial. I only wanted to see if there have been any problems. I did not make this clear and apologize for my
poor wording and lack of completeness in my post. I have no issue with Crucial and would buy from them anytime. I find the mark of a good
company is how well they treat the customer after the purchase and they have been first rate.

Lastly Tuna Boo I hold no ill will towards you. Lets just consider this a bad start on both our parts and start over fresh in a future thread.
Ignore my, granted idiotic, I built 50 million PC's statement and just understand I only meant I am no newbie by that and was no means an
attempt to brag. I was just a little pissed off when I wrote that.

I hold out the olive branch are you man enough to take it.

Mark

 

[LXi]

<<I don't agree on this. Soltek is not tier 1 mb manufacturer, it's not highly regarded in Asia too.>>

I cant agree with your statement either. First of all, you dont have to be tier1 to make good motherboards, that's been proven time and time again. Second, only three manufacturers are considered tier1 in Taiwan: Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte. You must be kidding if you tell me those are the only three who can make good motherboards.

 

[CraigRT]

<< someone mentioned static, and i think that sounds likely. are you grounding yourself when you install the memory? >>



I doubt highly that is the problem... these days people don't worry about static nearly as much. my computer is on my carpet and i work on it all the time down there and i am not worried, nothing bad has ever happened. you'd have to really try to build up a charge to screw over your memory.

Sounds like either the memory is bad, or ther mobo doesn't LIKE the Crucial memory.. I have seen that too, my MSI doesn't like Mushkin memory!!!

Soltek is a good brand, I'd even consider buying one myself... my friend has an SL75DRV and it's a great board.

 

[Kingofcomputer]

<< I cant agree with your statement either. First of all, you dont have to be tier1 to make good motherboards, that's been proven time and time again. Second, only three manufacturers are considered tier1 in Taiwan: Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte. You must be kidding if you tell me those are the only three who can make good motherboards. >>

I never said tier 2, 3 mb makers don't make good mb as tier 1.
The fact is big mb makers have more resources to develop and test their mb before releasing to the market, smaller mb makers may not make a mb with wide compatibility of different memory as those mb from big mb makers.
In this case, this Soltek mb doesn't work with that Crucial "2-2" memory 3 times in a row, which clearly shows that this Soltek mb has incompatibility issue with that Crucial memory. Why markrb can't accept that and try a different mb instead of blaming Crucial.

 

[markrb]

Kingofcomputer please read my post I said if this module doesn't work I will RMA the board. I will accept it.
It's kinda wierd that one of the modules works 100% perfect and the others do not.

While this thread was going I emailed a friend in England that I just found out has this board and also has Crucial memory.
He has had no problems. The other thing is that he has the 2-2 date code too.

Like I said if this last module that Crucial has asked me to try does not work I will attempt to test the memory in another board and if it works I will RMA the board.
If I still have a problem on the next board (oh please lets hope not) I will return the Crucial memory and try another brand as a last resort.

Like it or not I am stuck with this board (type, I can RMA a defective one). So I must make an attempt to make this work.

I have proof that Crucial memory works with this motherboard.

Until the new memory arrives I have no way of testing any theories out.

I know it's a 1 in a million, maybe even billion, chance that I could get three bad modules in a row, but it is possible, even from the best company and Crucial is a great company.

It could also be(and more likely) that certain modules don't get along with my motherboard. Maybe the tolerances are perfect for 99% of the boards out there,
but mine needs that little extra. Lets hope that more then 1 in 4 are compatible. If this is the case it would be the fault of the motherboard.

It should all become much clearer in the next day or two.

Thank you all for your insight and help, yes even Tuna Boo for making me think a little clearer,
Mark

 

[Bozo Galora]

ya, markrb, you have more than apologized. don't keep arguing with the nasty boys, they'll answer back
till the cows come home.
we would like to know the outcome tho.
you quite incisively mentioned "fit" , since some mobo dont work with "thin" (fewer layered) PCB RAM, but
since you have Crucial (which is "thick"), maybe the reverse is also true.
just hope your board doesnt have a DIMM voltage jumper (too lazy to look up your manual)

 

[markrb]

I sent an email to Soltek about this and they did suggest upping the voltage on the Dimms to 2.6v from the default 2.5v.

Like I said I am new to the whole DDR world and never even new about changing voltages on Dimms until reading these forums about AMD.
I knew about voltages on CPU's and even PCI, but not the DIMM.
It just isn't done in the workstation and sever arena.

Never did it on standard SDRAM or on RDRAM either, but I have never used RDRAM in a PC only in an SGI.

Thats why I come to places like this to keep up on whats going on in the PC world. Better place for real info you just can't find.

I don't think that upping the voltage would have helped on the module that only half showed up, but it may have helped on the other two.

I will try the new module at the default voltage first and then if I need to I will bump it up.

I will definately let everyone here what the results are and what I did.

I am sorry I don't understand what you meant by fit. If you meant how well did the modules fit into the socket and did they make good contact then the answer is yes, they made very good contact. I looked at them when I took them out and there was a light scratch on each of the connectors exactly where it should have been, right in the middle.

Thanks again,
Mark

 

[markrb]

Ok so far here are the results and a possible reason for my problems.

Got the new memory today and it is perfect so far. I am going to run memtest to be sure.

One unlikely, but possible reason for my issues.
I talked to my Fedex driver and he asked me why he was shipping the same thing three times in a week.
I told him I was having problems with computer memory and he said "It's computer memory? Why isn't there a
NO X-RAY sticker on it? That could be your problem we X-ray much, much more now after Sept. 11th."

Just another possibility to think of. Just to be safe if you are shipping anything electronic by Fedex get one of those stickers.
Fedex might open your package to inspect it, but they shouldn't X-ray it with that sticker.

Thanks for all the help,
Mark

 

[Uclagamer_99]

never head of x-ray stickers or seen'em on my memory shipments either :Q

 

[markrb]

Yeah first I heard of them too.
I have seen stickers like Electronic equipment keep away from magnets and stuff like that, but never No-Xray, except maybe on film.
Most of these type label I have seen in Hospitals and labs, but then they warn you about everything.

I kinda doubt that this was an issue, but I thought I would just tell everyone what the Fedex guy said, just in case.

So far still perfect. Ran memtest x-86 for about an hour on the new module alone and then two more hours with both installed.

I just checked and the new module has the 2-2 code on it. I guess that theory went up in smoke.

Mark

 

[TunaBoo]

In all fairness I had to bump my epox 8k7a up to 2.6V in order for the crucial to be flawless @ 133 MHz. It doesn't hurt DDR to give it a little extra juice. Now bumping it up to 3V is not the best idea in the world, but anyways...


I will have to ask my ECE friends, but from what I know of the inner workings of ram, I don't believe a norma x-ray could hurt them. ECE is not my field however.