CRT's selling more than LCD's

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: VIAN
"During the past year and a half, companies have made a dramatic shift toward buying LCD monitors rather than CRT monitors. Much of this shift has to do with the versatility of the LCD screen, which is lighter and takes up less desk space than CRTs. "Generally, most companies are trying to transition their purchases over to flat panels, unless there's some specific application where color is very important," says Scott Gray, flat-panel display product marketing manager for Hewlett-Packard. For color, "a CRT is still superior."

The primary advantages that CRTs have over LCDs are superior color reproduction, faster screen response times, and more expansive resolution options. CRTs also offer a greater viewing angle than LCDs at this time. CRTs offer a 90-degree viewing angle, which translates into how close to the center of the screen the user needs to be to see the image clearly. LCD viewing angles are slightly narrower; looking at it from anything greater than an 85-degree angle makes the edges of the screen appear to blacken.

The big advantage with flat-panel LCDs comes from their size. They let users reclaim space on their desktops, even though their offices and cubicles aren't getting any bigger. LCDs also generally reduce eyestrain because they don't flicker (85Hz loses the flicker) like CRTs, HP's Gray says. Some even have the ability to rotate from a horizontal to a vertical display, which is useful when designing page layouts. "

CRT's Rule. Better for Gaming.

Don't forget much lower power consumption (1/3 that of CRT's) and virtually nonexistant heat emission (compared to toasty CRT's). Then there's the smaller footprint, the full screen usage (as opposed to CRT's which lose 1-2" diagonally) ... Not to mention reduced eyestrain (just because CRT's have less flicker at 85Hz doesn't mean they still don't cause eye strain).

My one gripe is the "native resolution of LCD's". I hate that. When I get an LCD down the road, I'm hoping I can get a 17" with a native resolution of 1024X768. Anything more is too damn small for my tastes.

I have yet to purchase a single LCD for myself due to pricing being WAY too high for me on good 17" or 18" LCD's. But I can't wait until larger LCD's approach CRT's prices. Then, I will be all over them. The advantages outweight the disadvantages in my personal opinion.

At the moment, however it looks like it will be awhile before there is a parity in the pricing between the two. CRT's have a good 40+ years of manufacturing maturity on their side, so despite the fact that they have about 40 pounds of steel and lead in them total and a large, thick pane of glass in the front, they are still cheaper to manufacture.

 

[VIAN]

What is low power consumption gonna do for you, you dont gripe about your CPU or GPU using a lot of power.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: VIAN
What is low power consumption gonna do for you, you dont gripe about your CPU or GPU using a lot of power.

A CRT uses more power than your entire system. Like 70% more I believe.

 

[ponyo]

Power is cheap. More power please.

 

[Tab]

Until LCD get less expensive I wont be buying one. I do agree that LCDs are MUCH easier on the eyes

 

[Naruto]

3d gaming on the LCD hurts the body. My friend played medal of honor on a lcd monitor, he felt like barfing afterwards.

 

[Zen0ps]

The power consumption of a CRT tends to be overstated.

My 21 inch trinitron consumes 110 watts of power maximum, maybe about 1/3rd what a power-users computer might suck up (330 watts lets say)

Yeah, I forgot to mention you can view a CRT at any angle and it will look great.

LCD's do not have superior colour reproduction. They have oversaturated colour reproduction (same thing with using Nvidia's digital vibrance) Although in some peoples eyes, an oversaturated image looks better.

You can test out color reproduction by searching on your favorite search engine for things like "monitor calibration" or "color tests"

Just for example: http://www.visibone.com/colorlab/colortest.html most LCD's all smush the subtle color differences into a oversaturated mess.

Most LCD's even have a problem with simple greyscales: http://www.jasc.com/monitor1.asp

 

[BG4533]

Originally posted by: Zen0ps
The power consumption of a CRT tends to be overstated.

My 21 inch trinitron consumes 110 watts of power maximum, maybe about 1/3rd what a power-users computer might suck up (330 watts lets say)

I would like you to show me a "power user" who actually uses 330w of power or anything close to that. The only way I can see that possible is with dual processors and a lot of other devices. Even a 3GHz p4, R9800Pro and otherwise decked out system will struggle to reach 200W of power. Just because a user has a 330W PSU or 550W PSU for that matter does not mean he is even stressing it.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Genx87
LCDs just dont give a very nice picture compared to CRT's. I think eventually Plasma screens will change this. I wouldnt expect CRTs to die for another 10 years or so.

Yeah... when California outlaws them due to their higher power demands

 

[VIAN]

sucks for you california people dont it.

 

[ponyo]

Isn't California Communist country like Cuba and North Korea?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I'm working on my laptop's 1600x1200 UXGA display and I can tell you first hand that it kicks the snot out of my 19" flat screen CRT. I was worried about 1600x1200 on a 15" display but the immage is so crisp that even withe everything being so tiny, it's still very very very clear and just plain beautiful. And I can game on it too. Sure, different resolutions might look worse but there's little reason to need to change it up much. LCDs > CRTs if and only if you can afford it. Otherwise I'd agree that CRTs can offer a LOT of bang for the buck, especially for gamers.

 

[PCHPlayer]

Originally posted by: Naustica
Isn't California Communist country like Cuba and North Korea?

Hey, don't insult caleefornia or we will have to terminate you!!!!

 

[PCHPlayer]

Originally posted by: Naustica
Isn't California Communist country like Cuba and North Korea?

Hey, don't insult caleefornia or we will have to terminate you!!!!

 

[Blackroot]

Originally posted by: Genx87
LCDs just dont give a very nice picture compared to CRT's. I think eventually Plasma screens will change this. I wouldnt expect CRTs to die for another 10 years or so.

I am guessing they will be replaces sooner then that


I won't get a LCD unless i don't have room for a CRT moniter, no other reason to get LCD in my opinion

 

[nRollo]

I just bought a NEC FE2111 22" CRT. (20" viewable) Mitsubishi Diamondtron tube looks great, has 3 super bright modes, and it cost half what 20" viewable would cost in a LCD.
I like LCDs, but I like a good size screen and flexibility with settings as well.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I just bought a NEC FE2111 22" CRT. (20" viewable) Mitsubishi Diamondtron tube looks great, has 3 super bright modes, and it cost half what 20" viewable would cost in a LCD.
I like LCDs, but I like a good size screen and flexibility with settings as well.

even less if you buy a crappy CRT, and a cheap CRT still beats a high end LCD for games.

 

[Zen0ps]

Its pretty easy to get to 330 watts consumption.

Add in your average P4 processor or AMD (70-80 watts)
Add in your average actively cooled mobo (30 watts)
Memory (10)
Harddrive (30)
40x CDRW (30)
Videocard (10 to 40 watts)

Thats about 200watts right there... But also don't forget that there is no powersupply in the world that runs at 100 percent efficiency.. The best powersupplies need active cooling (heatsinks and fans inside) because they only run at about 70 percent power effeciency converting from household AC to 12,5 and 3.3 volts.

Soooo >200watts at 70 percent efficiency is about 300watts of power consumed. And no, i just dont pull these numbers out of my butt.

 

[Zen0ps]

But yeah, holy smokes do Californians get shafted on electricity.

I know guys up here in RedDeer (Canada) who pay like less than $50Cdn (~$35US) a month and they have stuff running all the time. Lights on, computers running 24/7, etc...

Better hope Ahhhnold doesn't pump up the elecricity bill even more.

 

[hans007]

CRTs are outselling LCDs in net sales.

but thats by dollars and well LCDs cost a lot more.


LCDs are not outselling CRTs by unit. i know for a fact that there is tons of demand world wide for even 15 " CRTs in the 50-60 dollar range. most people do not want to spend the rest of the money on a 15" LCD, when that extra $200 can buy an entire computer.

not everyone is wealthy. if we can provide $230 computers with monitors to everyone in america that i think woudl be far better than saving some electricity with some LCDs.