CRT

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Gah, most LCDs are better than similarly priced CRTs now anyway. I don't see the point of buying a CRT anymore - they're so much harder to transport, heavier, and take up a lot of space. They are easier to clean, though - no need to worry about dissolving the panel or anything.

 

[0roo0roo]

yea and playing cs on anything but a wide screen feels like tunnel vision.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: alkemyst
In much of these threads though no one has really used a top tier monitor. Most using LCD's are using crappy panels. Most don't need uber specs though anyway.

This is true. I used be be a CRT fanboy after having played with many low to medium quality LCDs but after using my Dell 2407FPW I could never go back to CRT. Cheap LCDs are crap but quality LCDs are very, very nice. Don't judge LCD quality based on crappy LCDs.

I had a $650 24" LCD (a year ago) no dead pixels, used the best panel at the time. After a month I sold it, a good CRT is better than a good LCD, a great CRT is better than any consumer LCD on the market. My 22" Trintron right now I would put money against any LCD that mine has superior IQ. Not to say a good LCD is bad, but it doesn't measure up where it counts for me.

I will switch when I can go to Frys and buy an LCD that has IQ that matches my Trintron or Diamitron.

 

[darkswordsman17]

CRTs give me terrible eyestrain (moreso at higher refresh rates actually) so I easily prefer LCDs. Strangely, my CRT HDTV doesn't though, and the picture quality is comparable to my WMGX2.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
CRTs give me terrible eyestrain (moreso at higher refresh rates actually) so I easily prefer LCDs. Strangely, my CRT HDTV doesn't though, and the picture quality is comparable to my WMGX2.

that's because you are sitting further away. CRTs gave me terrible eyestrain too. it's one of the many reasons I'll never go back.

 

[spidey07]

Supply and demand, not to mention cost.

Slim and light at a loss of video quality. Consumer gets what consumer wants.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: us3rnotfound

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
We have smaller, lighter monitors. They are called LCD monitors.

Not to nit pick but they all come with several negative aspects depending on the price you pay (LCD Thread).

Is it a fad? Has CRT technology met its limits? Is the whole thing controlled by marketing?

Actually CRT technology allows for better quality and higher resolutions than LCD's. But nobody wants a CRT anymore and very few people know how to pick out a good quality CRT anyway.
And it is the next big fad so LCD's will always seem "cooler" than CRT's.

The only place where I think an LCD is superior is in portable devices like phones and laptops. For my home TV and my desktop monitor I much prefer a tube. They wont be moved around so I dont care about the weight.
Interestingly enough they are both Philips.

 

[Leros]

Yeah, CRTs made my eyes hurt very bad.

I guess I was conditioned to it before. I used a CRT a few weeks ago after using LCDs for a few years and it actually made me nauseous.

 

[IGBT]

..I recall years ago sony came up wit a folded crt that was small and narrow. Today it's a lot cheaper to make LCD's rather then anything else and the average blurry eyed viewer wouldn't know the diff.compared to a high end crt. It's video for the masses.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: us3rnotfound

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
We have smaller, lighter monitors. They are called LCD monitors.

Not to nit pick but they all come with several negative aspects depending on the price you pay (LCD Thread).

Is it a fad? Has CRT technology met its limits? Is the whole thing controlled by marketing?

Actually CRT technology allows for better quality and higher resolutions than LCD's. But nobody wants a CRT anymore and very few people know how to pick out a good quality CRT anyway.
And it is the next big fad so LCD's will always seem "cooler" than CRT's.

The only place where I think an LCD is superior is in portable devices like phones and laptops. For my home TV and my desktop monitor I much prefer a tube. They wont be moved around so I dont care about the weight.
Interestingly enough they are both Philips.

doesn't scale.

you can get decent res on a small screen. dot pitch on larger screens tended to be much worse. and so resolution didn't scale as well as it does on a lcd, no 30" 4 megapixel screens. a 34" crt is ~200lb. theoretical higher quality of crt tended to not exist in anything other than the high end products like the sony super fine pitch widescreens. the rest of the lot made were low res high dot pitch garbage. just being crt isn't magically better. the vast majority of crt esp for tv were junk.

 

[nageov3t]

CRT is probably dead, for the most part, except for niche markets that don't care about monitor portability.

 

[Papagayo]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: us3rnotfound

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
We have smaller, lighter monitors. They are called LCD monitors.

Not to nit pick but they all come with several negative aspects depending on the price you pay (LCD Thread).

Is it a fad? Has CRT technology met its limits? Is the whole thing controlled by marketing?

Actually CRT technology allows for better quality and higher resolutions than LCD's. But nobody wants a CRT anymore and very few people know how to pick out a good quality CRT anyway.
And it is the next big fad so LCD's will always seem "cooler" than CRT's.

The only place where I think an LCD is superior is in portable devices like phones and laptops. For my home TV and my desktop monitor I much prefer a tube. They wont be moved around so I dont care about the weight.
Interestingly enough they are both Philips.

My company was getting rid of 22inch Black IBM trinitron(spelling) monitors, replaceing them with 19inch LCD Dell Ultrasharp. I picked one up, because it's far superior in quality than any LCD.. I think the max resolution on the CRT is double of LCD. I might pick up another for backup.
Downside, it's heavy. I have limited selection for picking a desk.

 

[Cheesetogo]

I would suggest that you take a look at at the NEC LCD2490wuxi. It's considered to be pretty much the best LCD on the market (aside from a handful of ultra professional monitors I suppose) and would offer a pretty similar experience to a CRT. While it's about $1200 (roughly double that of your typical 24" IPS), you should probably note that a good CRT of the same size (i.e. Sony FW900) would have cost around $2000 when they were still in production.

 

[TallBill]

Still have my Viewsonic 19" E90f+, it's dirty as fuck but other then that it's great.

 

[Arkaign]

When OLED or Laser displays become a marketplace norm, you'll wonder how anyone ever dealt with crappy LCD/Plasma/CRT technology.

 

[yinan]

will use an LCD over CRT any day. CRT is too damn heavy. If you want to move your tv do you want to have to call three people over so you can? I can move my 50" DLP by myself.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
When OLED or Laser displays become a marketplace norm, you'll wonder how anyone ever dealt with crappy LCD/Plasma/CRT technology.

OLED is hot shit right now. Pioneer has been using that in their car CD players for years. They always said that it was the next great thing. All those promises are finally starting to shape up.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
One thing I wish they did standard with LCDs though is have a glass over it so you can still treat it like a CRT (touch it, clean it with windex, etc).

Touch it? Never ever touch my screen, CRT or LCD, I hate dirty screens like that.

Using glass cleaner that is non-ammonia based is fine on LCDs.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Papagayo

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: us3rnotfound

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
We have smaller, lighter monitors. They are called LCD monitors.

Not to nit pick but they all come with several negative aspects depending on the price you pay (LCD Thread).

Is it a fad? Has CRT technology met its limits? Is the whole thing controlled by marketing?

Actually CRT technology allows for better quality and higher resolutions than LCD's. But nobody wants a CRT anymore and very few people know how to pick out a good quality CRT anyway.
And it is the next big fad so LCD's will always seem "cooler" than CRT's.

The only place where I think an LCD is superior is in portable devices like phones and laptops. For my home TV and my desktop monitor I much prefer a tube. They wont be moved around so I dont care about the weight.
Interestingly enough they are both Philips.

My company was getting rid of 22inch Black IBM trinitron(spelling) monitors, replaceing them with 19inch LCD Dell Ultrasharp. I picked one up, because it's far superior in quality than any LCD.. I think the max resolution on the CRT is double of LCD. I might pick up another for backup.
Downside, it's heavy. I have limited selection for picking a desk.

whats the max resolution? lcd max resolution is simply what they make the native resolution. pixel density possible is very high, just look at laptops with 1680x1050 or 1920x1200 15" screens. they don't go for density on desktops yet because size is more important to the consumer. no 15" lcd that i've seen could do anything more than 1024x768 without getting blurry.

 

[Papagayo]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Papagayo

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: us3rnotfound

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
We have smaller, lighter monitors. They are called LCD monitors.

Not to nit pick but they all come with several negative aspects depending on the price you pay (LCD Thread).

Is it a fad? Has CRT technology met its limits? Is the whole thing controlled by marketing?

Actually CRT technology allows for better quality and higher resolutions than LCD's. But nobody wants a CRT anymore and very few people know how to pick out a good quality CRT anyway.
And it is the next big fad so LCD's will always seem "cooler" than CRT's.

The only place where I think an LCD is superior is in portable devices like phones and laptops. For my home TV and my desktop monitor I much prefer a tube. They wont be moved around so I dont care about the weight.
Interestingly enough they are both Philips.

My company was getting rid of 22inch Black IBM trinitron(spelling) monitors, replaceing them with 19inch LCD Dell Ultrasharp. I picked one up, because it's far superior in quality than any LCD.. I think the max resolution on the CRT is double of LCD. I might pick up another for backup.
Downside, it's heavy. I have limited selection for picking a desk.

whats the max resolution? lcd max resolution is simply what they make the native resolution. pixel density possible is very high, just look at laptops with 1680x1050 or 1920x1200 15" screens. they don't go for density on desktops yet because size is more important to the consumer. no 15" lcd that i've seen could do anything more than 1024x768 without getting blurry.

IBM ThinkVision C220P (Black) 22 inch CRT Monitor

22 inch, CRT, Dot Pitch: 0.24 mm, Max. Resolution: 2048 x 1536

Almost double of the 19in LCD..

 

[0roo0roo]

well thats a 22". and .24mm dot pitch is ok, but not great.

15.4" lcd viewing area 101.84 sq in
2,304,000 pixels at 1920x1200
22623 pixels per sq in


22" crt viewing area 211.68 sq in (~21" viewable)
3,145,728 pixels
14,860 pixels per sq in

so you see, the pixel density of the lcd is still higher than the crt.

and using a crt at its very max tends to yield slightly fuzzy images, a lcd at its native res is crystal clear

 

[Cabages]

I have a FW900 sitting in the closet I have to get out sometime.

I think I fucked it up. Magnets.

 

[us3rnotfound]

Originally posted by: Cabages
I have a FW900 sitting in the closet I have to get out sometime.

I think I fucked it up. Magnets.

Oh what a shame. Try degauss function?

 

[Loreena]

Oh man do those CRT tubes sound AWESOME when busted up. 40" NEC tube in compactor sounds like a grenade going off! Even the 20 inchers got some thump to 'em.

I could run crt tubes through a shredder all day long. That bomb looked kind of scary though. :Q