CROSSFIRE vs SLI

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Rollo
Can I nominate ATI for "Master of the Paper Release" award?

As someone has pointed out ATi hasn't launched/released any of it upcomming products. And you can't blame people for beeing curious about their new technology, therefor snapping up tidbits of informations and starting speculations and rumors.

You can never please the crowd.

ATI has had CrossFire info up on their own website since Computex (I think that was in May), and they have not yet been able to produce a product or even had a reputable third party test site preview them. From reading ATI's site, one would get the impression that you can go out and buy a CrossFire setup today if you wanted to. If that isn't a paper launch than I'm not sure what is.

 

[Eric220]

Rollo- Sick of you whining on every post about video cards. Read this.

http://hardinfo.dk/show.asp?desc=3582

oh, and btw ill find a link on why nvidia made the SLI to compete with a single X850 XT PE. But if you do some searching while i find the link, youll see that the Radeon X850XT PE runs at 540Mhz ( http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=741 ). While the 7800 GTX (NEWER than the X850XTPE) only runs at 430Mhz ( http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Previews/G70preview/ ). As you can see without a link (until i find it). It's common sense Nvidia is trying to compete with ATi by making a faster SINGLE GPU, 540Mhz > 430Mhz. So as you can see, Nvidia wants to make a faster video card, therefore they made the SLI which can compete against clockspeeds with the X850XT PE.

SLI (7800 GTX) - 430Mhz * 2 = 830Mhz
Crossfire (X850XT PE) - 540 * 2 = 1080Mhz

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Rollo
Can I nominate ATI for "Master of the Paper Release" award?

As someone has pointed out ATi hasn't launched/released any of it upcomming products. And you can't blame people for beeing curious about their new technology, therefor snapping up tidbits of informations and starting speculations and rumors.

You can never please the crowd.

Where do you think the website in the link got the pictures, PR info, and "performance" charts about Crossfire?

IMO whether they had an "official launch" or not, encouraging websites to post this sort of thing about their products to hopefully prevent people from buying products that are acrtually available constitutes a "paper launch".

It's pretty much up to peoples own decision if they want to go crossfire, SLI, r520, G70. Sure ATi post these scores to make people wait, no doubt about it, but *IF* they're somewhat accurate I can't see why people shouldn't be allowed based on the scores to wait or go ahead and buy a G70.
And the real funny part about SLI/Crossfire is that most users aren't going to use either, and those who are, are probably those who have so much insight in pro/con for either solution, that they can see through marketing schemes

 

[ryanv12]

Honestly, and I'm certainly no fanboy or anything, who would invest in Crossfire? The point of buying 2 graphics cards is that you want to turn up all the details and eye candy without dropping frames at high resolutions. ATI's cards don't even do SM3, so it's already impossible to play games at their highest details, despite the money invested. That could be different with a R520 Crossfire, but Crossfire on the current generation makes no sense.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Rollo
Can I nominate ATI for "Master of the Paper Release" award?

As someone has pointed out ATi hasn't launched/released any of it upcomming products. And you can't blame people for beeing curious about their new technology, therefor snapping up tidbits of informations and starting speculations and rumors.

You can never please the crowd.

ATI has had CrossFire info up on their own website since Computex (I think that was in May), and they have not yet been able to produce a product or even had a reputable third party test site preview them. From reading ATI's site, one would get the impression that you can go out and buy a CrossFire setup today if you wanted to. If that isn't a paper launch than I'm not sure what is.

Ok, I agree on that point.

 

[imported_humey]

ryanv12, GOOD FEEDBACK man, Correct, who wants 2xGPU's running DX9b and P.S 2.0 and no real HDR. (for current cards).

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: zendari
Crossfire is useless crap.

What the? I don't think we'll know that till it's released. My point was just that the review gives us nothing relevant.

Same deal with SLI: no need to buy 2 cards when you can buy a faster/cheaper/cooler single card.

mull this over . . . take a little time before replying. .

what IF your SINGLE card [i.e. 7800gtx] STILL isn't fast enough for your wants?



:Q

*shrug*

I'm not the kind of person who needs that much from a video card(s).

but can you accept that there ARE those who do?

[i can give you many examples from this forum]

I have no problems with people buying whatever they like. They have their opinions and preferences and I have mine.

 

[ZobarStyl]

Originally posted by: Eric220
Rollo- Sick of you whining on every post about video cards. Read this.

http://hardinfo.dk/show.asp?desc=3582

oh, and btw ill find a link on why nvidia made the SLI to compete with a single X850 XT PE. But if you do some searching while i find the link, youll see that the Radeon X850XT PE runs at 540Mhz ( http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=741 ). While the 7800 GTX (NEWER than the X850XTPE) only runs at 430Mhz ( http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Previews/G70preview/ ). As you can see without a link (until i find it). It's common sense Nvidia is trying to compete with ATi by making a faster SINGLE GPU, 540Mhz > 430Mhz. So as you can see, Nvidia wants to make a faster video card, therefore they made the SLI which can compete against clockspeeds with the X850XT PE.

SLI (7800 GTX) - 430Mhz * 2 = 830Mhz
Crossfire (X850XT PE) - 540 * 2 = 1080Mhz

This may be the most worthless post ever made in this subforum. Clockspeed has little to do with performance, number of pixel pipelines is where the real power lies. Hence, Crossfire X850 = 32 whereas SLI 7800GTX = 48 pipes. Please read up instead of reiterating what basically appears to be Intel-level performance logic (more =! better).

 

[imported_humey]

Also no matter how high clocks are a older card cant compete with new chipsets, look at G-Force 2 GTS Ultra it had more core and memory mhz than the G-Force 3 TI 200 / normal 3 / and TI 500 , but was still overall slower in real use and in benches.

Example, you could TEC chill a G-Force 4 ti 4600 to mad clocks and still never even touch a 6800Ultra lol.

So this bellow :Q

SLI (7800 GTX) - 430Mhz * 2 = 830Mhz
Crossfire (X850XT PE) - 540 * 2 = 1080Mhz

= load of b0llocks.

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: Eric220
Rollo- Sick of you whining on every post about video cards. Read this.

http://hardinfo.dk/show.asp?desc=3582

oh, and btw ill find a link on why nvidia made the SLI to compete with a single X850 XT PE. But if you do some searching while i find the link, youll see that the Radeon X850XT PE runs at 540Mhz ( http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=741 ). While the 7800 GTX (NEWER than the X850XTPE) only runs at 430Mhz ( http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Previews/G70preview/ ). As you can see without a link (until i find it). It's common sense Nvidia is trying to compete with ATi by making a faster SINGLE GPU, 540Mhz > 430Mhz. So as you can see, Nvidia wants to make a faster video card, therefore they made the SLI which can compete against clockspeeds with the X850XT PE.

SLI (7800 GTX) - 430Mhz * 2 = 830Mhz
Crossfire (X850XT PE) - 540 * 2 = 1080Mhz

LOL...u seem to have just entered the world of graphics. Clockspeeds mean squat, main power lies in the architecture, drivers, pipelines etc. The GTX at 430Mhz whips the X850XTPE even though its at a 100Mhz clockspeed disadvantage.
Try reading up some forums and hardware review sites before making a meaningless post like this.

EDIT: BTW 430 * 2 = 860 not 830....you didnt even get that right

 

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: ddoggLOL...u seem to have just entered the world of graphics.

That could be one explanation. But I'm going to go with him just being an idiot.

 

[Eric220]

 

[ZobarStyl]

Originally posted by: Eric220

Excellent point.

 

[KeepItRed]

Hey is that R520 (Radeon X900) going to be crossfire compatible? I hear it's dual slot...

 

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Hey is that R520 (Radeon X900) going to be crossfire compatible? I hear it's dual slot...

Should be fine. The 6800Ultra is dual slot as well IIRC.

 

[KeepItRed]

Dual slot means it takes up 2 PCI-E slots..?

 

[imported_humey]

No the 2 gpu slots are far enough apart to accomidate this, some mobos do have a pci slot between these gpu slots so you lose it, who needs them anyhow, at most you will have a dedicated soundcard and possibly a tv card, most will be happy the 7.1 onboard sound anyhow.

 

[KeepItRed]

Ahhh I'm confused.

 

[KeepItRed]

Crap, double post..

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Eric220
Rollo- Sick of you whining on every post about video cards. Read this.

http://hardinfo.dk/show.asp?desc=3582

oh, and btw ill find a link on why nvidia made the SLI to compete with a single X850 XT PE. But if you do some searching while i find the link, youll see that the Radeon X850XT PE runs at 540Mhz ( http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=741 ). While the 7800 GTX (NEWER than the X850XTPE) only runs at 430Mhz ( http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Previews/G70preview/ ). As you can see without a link (until i find it). It's common sense Nvidia is trying to compete with ATi by making a faster SINGLE GPU, 540Mhz > 430Mhz. So as you can see, Nvidia wants to make a faster video card, therefore they made the SLI which can compete against clockspeeds with the X850XT PE.

SLI (7800 GTX) - 430Mhz * 2 = 830Mhz
Crossfire (X850XT PE) - 540 * 2 = 1080Mhz

Before using something as "proof", you might want to double check to make sure that it hasn't been debated here already. We are pretty on top of whats going on with regards to the video card scene her on AT, and your 2 month old article has already been debated.ad nauseam.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1605922&enterthread=y

That being said, welcome to AT forums.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Ahhh I'm confused.

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTExOTA2Mzc3MVkzTzBHeUVEQndfNl84X2wuanBn

That is a picture of a 6800 Ultra (top) that uses two slot cooling and a 7800GTX with a single slot cooler. The difference is in the size of the cooling, not in how many PCI-E slots the card plugs into. The cards are referred to as "dual slot" simply because the larger cooling unit takes up the space of the slot next to the video card.

better picture of a single slot card.

better picture of a double slot card

...what humey is saying is that most SLI motherboards are designed to accomodate two dual slot cards, since they are qute commonplace these days.

 

[imported_humey]

Yes like Asus have 1 normal pci slot between the 2 gpu pci-e slots so if you use 2x gpus you lose use of this pci slot but who cares ?

Dont confuse the slots with the 2x gpu slots they aint all pci-e slots, they will be someday and you will need buy new soundcards and tv tuners to fit then.

BTW you have 2 threads on this rig you want, alienware plug the amd64 rig they do as the best they got not intel and its still dumb to buy alienware anyhow build a good rig.

 

[KeepItRed]

Thanks for the above 2 people. I get it

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: biostud
It's pretty much up to peoples own decision if they want to go crossfire, SLI, r520, G70. Sure ATi post these scores to make people wait, no doubt about it, but *IF* they're somewhat accurate I can't see why people shouldn't be allowed based on the scores to wait or go ahead and buy a G70.
And the real funny part about SLI/Crossfire is that most users aren't going to use either, and those who are, are probably those who have so much insight in pro/con for either solution, that they can see through marketing schemes

The problem is without the framerates, settings, and hardware a 60% difference is totally meaningless 1.6 vs 1 fps is a "60% difference!", but who cares?

 

[KeepItRed]

Lol that's true, I've seen benchmarks where ATi beats Nvidia by like .7 frames. Who cares? lol