Crossfire or R520 single card?

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
You guys seem to have missed the big picture once again . Any CPU Intel or AMD that has enough power to run Vista at its highest level. That =3.ghz intel well now do gaming as Fast as a AMD 64 FX 57. Now thats a big deal . THAT will save people big $$$$$$. So Vista is really looking good.

A 3ghz Intel processor cannot keep up with an FX-57 in any gaming benchmarks I have seen, unless of course you mean the 3ghz Intel that David built for you that also has the highest PCMark score on the web.

 

[Turtle 1]

LOL Vista OS

Now some very important info about gaming on Vista:
- there will be NO graphical difference between an ATI or nVidia card anymore, the only difference will be overall performance
- WGF 2.0 allows GPU processing without CPU intervention
- The Xbox 360 uses some of the technology Vista will use to handle games on the PC


System breakdown

Graphics: Vista has changed from using the CPU to display bitmaps on the screen to using the GPU to render vectors. This means the entire display model in Vista has changed. To render the screen in the GPU requires an awful lot of memory to do optimally - 256MB is a happy medium, but you'll actually see benefit from more. Microsoft believes that you're going to see the amount of video memory being shipped on cards hurtle up when Vista ships.

CPU: Threading is the main target for Vista. Currently, very little of Windows XP is threaded - the target is to make Vista perform far better on dual-core and multi-core processors

RAM: 2GB is the ideal configuration for 64-bit Vista, we're told. Vista 32-bit will work ideally at 1GB, and minimum 512. However, since 64-bit is handling data chunks that are double the size, you'll need double the memory, hence the 2GB. Nigel mentions DDR3 - which is a little odd, since the roadmap for DDR3, on Intel gear at least, doesn't really kick in until 2007.

So it would seem that ATI"S patented dualcore embeddded Dram is a very big deal in gaming performance. as well as HD on the PC. THE 512 memory on the R520 is looking better and better all the time . To bad the R520 is WGF1.0

 

[Munky]

System breakdown

Graphics: Vista has changed from using the CPU to display bitmaps on the screen to using the GPU to render vectors. This means the entire display model in Vista has changed. To render the screen in the GPU requires an awful lot of memory to do optimally - 256MB is a happy medium, but you'll actually see benefit from more. Microsoft believes that you're going to see the amount of video memory being shipped on cards hurtle up when Vista ships.

CPU: Threading is the main target for Vista. Currently, very little of Windows XP is threaded - the target is to make Vista perform far better on dual-core and multi-core processors.

RAM: 2GB is the ideal configuration for 64-bit Vista, we're told. Vista 32-bit will work ideally at 1GB, and minimum 512. However, since 64-bit is handling data chunks that are double the size, you'll need double the memory, hence the 2GB. Nigel mentions DDR3 - which is a little odd, since the roadmap for DDR3, on Intel gear at least, doesn't really kick in until 2007.

HDD: SATA is definitely the way forward for Vista, due, Microsoft tells us, to Native Command Queueing. NCQ allows for out of order completions - that is, if Vista needs tasks 1,2,3,4 and 5 done, it can do them in the order 2,5,3,4,1 if that's a more efficient route for the hard drive head to take over the disk. This leads to far faster completion times. NCQ is supported on SATA2 drives, so expect them to start becoming the standard sooner rather than later. Microsoft thinks that these features will provide SCSI-level performance.

Bus: AGP is 'not optimal' for Vista. Because of the fact that graphics cards may have to utilise main system memory for some rendering tasks, a fast, bi-direction bus is needed - that's PCI express.

Display: Prepare to feel the red mist of rage - no current TFT monitor out there is going to support high definition playback in Vista. You may already have heard rumblings about this, but here it is. To play HD-DVD or Blu-Ray content you need a HDCP compatible monitor. Why? Because these formats use HDCP to encrypt a video signal as it travels along a digital connection to an output device, to prevent people copying it. If you have just standard DVI or even an analogue output, you're going to see HD scaled down to a far-less-than-HD resolution for viewing - which sucks. This isn't really Microsoft's fault - HDCP is something that content makers, in their eternal wisdom, have decided is necessary to stop us all watching pirated movies. Yay.

M$ is full of $hit.

Graphics: I can see the move to vector-based graphics in order to have a true 3D-looking API, possibly with 3D lighting, textures, shaders, and what not. But what memory was he talking about? 256mb of video mem - give me a break. Even modern 3d games run sifficiently with 256mb, and he's telling me that some piece of sh!t windoze desktop is gonna require 256mb or more? Bullsh!t. For that kind of requirements, it better have some built-in live pr0n in the desktop, and even that wouldnt require 256mb.

CPU: I open my task manager in win2k and it says I'm using 36 processes and 341 threads. So, I think we have enough threading. Unless they want to take threading to the extreme, so now instead of 1 thread locking up, we have multiple threads that can lock up for the same stupid reason (or even higher chance of deadlock), and all 8 of your glorious cpu cores are now stalled because dumbsh!t windoze is looking for a network connection.

RAM: 2 GB is no big deal, I'm surprised he didnt say 4 GB. I bet by the time Vista comes around WMP is gonna take up 1 GB or RAM for running those cheezy visualizations, and it'll probably be coded in VB.net, so it'll still run like a$$.

HDD: Command queuing is only beneficial in a server environment, with heavy HD usage. Unless M$ plans to use a 8GB fragmented swap file spanning multiple partitions, there's no reason to rely so heavily on HDD performance.

Bus: Agp is not profitable for Vista. Any use of system memory for graphics is slow as hell compared to local video ram, and Pci-e is no better than AGP in that regard.

Display: Yeah, the HDCP crap is really a PITA, but whenever thare's encryption, there's also decryption. I'll just wait for someone to make a "decrypter" for a regular monitor. And, there's always Linux. If I wasnt into gaming, I'd probably be using Linux already instead.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
LOL Vista OS

Now some very important info about gaming on Vista:
- there will be NO graphical difference between an ATI or nVidia card anymore, the only difference will be overall performance
- WGF 2.0 allows GPU processing without CPU intervention
- The Xbox 360 uses some of the technology Vista will use to handle games on the PC


System breakdown

Graphics: Vista has changed from using the CPU to display bitmaps on the screen to using the GPU to render vectors. This means the entire display model in Vista has changed. To render the screen in the GPU requires an awful lot of memory to do optimally - 256MB is a happy medium, but you'll actually see benefit from more. Microsoft believes that you're going to see the amount of video memory being shipped on cards hurtle up when Vista ships.

CPU: Threading is the main target for Vista. Currently, very little of Windows XP is threaded - the target is to make Vista perform far better on dual-core and multi-core processors

Reading comprehension is a challenge for you, if you are reading this "WGF 2.0 also allows GPU processing without CPU intervention. Currently driver overhead is a major issue, but WGF 2.0-capable graphics hardware will be handed the graphics task, and the driver will get out of the way until the card is ready for new instructions." from this article: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1791685,00.asp

I'm really struggling to make the connections that you do, what this means is that there will be less driver related CPU overhead for running graphical applications, it DOES NOT mean that performance will be solely GPU driven and have nothing to do with the CPU employed.

 

[Turtle 1]

THATS A pretty old link try this one

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1841223,00.asp

 

[Turtle 1]

THATS right there is always linux . But if vista works the way its laid out . It will be something. I did say IF

 

[ayabe]

Turtelia that still doesn't in any way support your claim sorry.

 

[Turtle 1]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
LOL Vista OS

Now some very important info about gaming on Vista:
- there will be NO graphical difference between an ATI or nVidia card anymore, the only difference will be overall performance
- WGF 2.0 allows GPU processing without CPU intervention
- The Xbox 360 uses some of the technology Vista will use to handle games on the PC


System breakdown

Graphics: Vista has changed from using the CPU to display bitmaps on the screen to using the GPU to render vectors. This means the entire display model in Vista has changed. To render the screen in the GPU requires an awful lot of memory to do optimally - 256MB is a happy medium, but you'll actually see benefit from more. Microsoft believes that you're going to see the amount of video memory being shipped on cards hurtle up when Vista ships.

CPU: Threading is the main target for Vista. Currently, very little of Windows XP is threaded - the target is to make Vista perform far better on dual-core and multi-core processors

Reading comprehension is a challenge for you, if you are reading this "WGF 2.0 also allows GPU processing without CPU intervention. Currently driver overhead is a major issue, but WGF 2.0-capable graphics hardware will be handed the graphics task, and the driver will get out of the way until the card is ready for new instructions." from this article: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1791685,00.asp

I'm really struggling to make the connections that you do, what this means is that there will be less driver related CPU overhead for running graphical applications, it DOES NOT mean that performance will be solely GPU driven and have nothing to do with the CPU employed.

I know that I just playing with you . Xbox 3 CPU'S 6 threads at one time.

 

[Turtle 1]

Turtelia I love that I am going to switch to that . That is cool .

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
Turtelia I love that I am going to switch to that . That is cool .

Yeah that can be your next handle after you get banned again for being a serial misinformer.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
LOL Vista OS

Now some very important info about gaming on Vista:
- there will be NO graphical difference between an ATI or nVidia card anymore, the only difference will be overall performance
- WGF 2.0 allows GPU processing without CPU intervention
- The Xbox 360 uses some of the technology Vista will use to handle games on the PC


System breakdown

Graphics: Vista has changed from using the CPU to display bitmaps on the screen to using the GPU to render vectors. This means the entire display model in Vista has changed. To render the screen in the GPU requires an awful lot of memory to do optimally - 256MB is a happy medium, but you'll actually see benefit from more. Microsoft believes that you're going to see the amount of video memory being shipped on cards hurtle up when Vista ships.

CPU: Threading is the main target for Vista. Currently, very little of Windows XP is threaded - the target is to make Vista perform far better on dual-core and multi-core processors

Reading comprehension is a challenge for you, if you are reading this "WGF 2.0 also allows GPU processing without CPU intervention. Currently driver overhead is a major issue, but WGF 2.0-capable graphics hardware will be handed the graphics task, and the driver will get out of the way until the card is ready for new instructions." from this article: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1791685,00.asp

I'm really struggling to make the connections that you do, what this means is that there will be less driver related CPU overhead for running graphical applications, it DOES NOT mean that performance will be solely GPU driven and have nothing to do with the CPU employed.

I know that I just playing with you . Xbox 3 CPU'S

You are going to be banned if you keep this up. You are simply a troll and offer nothing positive to this forum. I know you are Intelia and I know that you and David already had your accounts banned. I hope the mods can wake up a little bit and take care of you.

Here is a link where a poll was taken whether you should be banned on your other account. 92% people wanted to see you banned and for all I know, the remaining 8% were alternate usernames of yours.

 

[Turtle 1]

Well that poll figure makes since. So as I understand it only certain people can flap their jaws off . Isn't that against the US constatusion. I realize this is a forum but this is a debate about a product that isn't out. So there is no right and wrong . But I will email anand and have him read this thread . Than I will abide by what he tells me. SO when ATI brings R520 and it beats THE G70's Rollo will be banned is that correct.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
Well that poll figure makes since. So as I understand it only certain people can shot off there mouths . Isn't that against the US constatusion. I realize this is a forum but this is a debate about a product that isn't out. So there is no right and wrong . But I will email anand and have him read this thread . Than I will abide by what he tells me.

US constatusion?

So is this somewhat of a confession that you are Intelia? Just fess up we all know it already.

Also in this particular case there is a right and a wrong, you are misinterpreting information and interjecting wildly incorrect conclusions derived from your obviously superior intellect. :light:

 

[Turtle 1]

No I am not Intelia but Iam developing a lot of respect for him. No Iam not I said I was playing . Only once. The rest off my stuff is right on the money.

 

[Turtle 1]

I see alot of static over the GPU as to how new that hardware has to be. I am saying IT has to be DX9L or newer to operate in Vista. No one has Complained THAT to get Vista to operate at full capicity you need the following

1) Dual core CPU
2) Brand new LCD or CRT
3)2gigs of memory
4) UP to date Sata harddrives
5) R600 ATI or newer GPU (Nvidia will run but not very well I am sure)(about the same as R520 R580'S with WGF1.0)
Until nvidia gets some info out as to what they have in the form of a WGF2.O specs . All they have is G70's WGF 1.0 And that just won't cut the mustard. The R600 has specs out . ATI has been working on the unified arch since 2000. and they have a working model in the form of the R500. Nvidia has vapor ware only. as far as Vista goes . G70 will run in Vista but crippled only.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
No I am not Intelia but Iam developing a lot of respect for him. No Iam not I said I was playing . Only once. The rest off my stuff is right on the money.

Interesting... Now taken from THIS link...

Originally posted by: Intelia
Paul said to day that the new Conroe chips will be 5x per watt faster. conroe will be 65 watts .I am not sure what smithfield is . will say 130 watts. that means Conroe will be 2 1/2 faster than smithfield. Now thats fast

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25619

I think it is quite clear to anyone reading that you are the same person. I have never seen anyone else on this forum put a period in the places that you do, as well has the same sentance structure you assemble. I would be willing to bet $100 you are the same person.

/pwned.


Edit ** Additionally, Intelia was banned about 2 - 3 weeks ago... Now, look when Turtle signed up... What? Less than 3 weeks ago, that is right... Ok, case closed. This IS Intelia, without a doubt.

 

[Turtle 1]

I will take that bet . Now how you going to pay off ? You ever stop to think the mod might be playing I have moved the question Mark over 4 spaces 3 times and it keeps going back to same spot . The question you need to ask your self is it an accident or am I being punctilious ? Could you be so kind as to post threads that intelia was in ? I would like to read .

 

[Turtle 1]

Hay thanks for that link . Also that was a pretty low blow . You saying I am intelia is an insult to be sure . I have been called worse I think . I read both your post the to ban and the other. I do see how SHE picked her name. The information was questionable maybe . I don't now much about cpu's. She was really never insulting but very Intel bullish.
One other thing I did notice and I haven't read all the recent post in all cat. But the people that were making accusations against her are the same people involved in most of the flame wars here. So I question that. The jewish remark I thought was bad remark. As for the Intel stuff I really haven't a clue. I did however notice that most if not all her accusers were AMD people. Any way thanks for that link both of them . You did however get me curiosity up . SO now I am off to read everthing I can On Conroe . I will tell you this also. If I find what she wrote as plasusible . I will include that in my E-Mail to Anand.

As I said I don't pay much attention to Cpu's. If it was E-penis that got her banned .I will defend her and I think I can do an adequite job of that .

As all the post I have made other than one. Were ascertians based on the available information . This forum may well of done Intelia erroneous damage to her reputation.

As I have been slandered several times in the last couple of days. I will include that in my E-mail to Ananda with the stipulation of a public apology and a emanate ban on all persons involved.
I thank you gentleman and good day to you.

 

[Duvie]

I didn't even votein that thread yet....

Perhaps you can be trained to be a productive member of this forum....You like ATI??? So what, so does 40-50% of the ppl here. That is not the issue. The issue is you repeatedly state items as fact and then when asked to link documents that prove your claim you do not. Not because you dont give us links, but your links often contradict you and say nothing to what you are stating. Make you wonder what you think proff or evidence means. What are we supposed to think...One hand your may be just a zealot who reads what he wants, on the other hand you may just be clinically retarded.

Fact is you have now one wild claim after another and to date I dont htink you have successfully proved one....

Now you can stay and start finding proof or refrain from spreading misinformation, and even perhaps put a disclaimer on the bottom stating you have no proof but just your opinion based on gut feeling and wild speculation. Otherwsie I see you stay here rather short and coming to an end. Intelia was well bahaved in terms of name calling, and you are as well. another striking resemblance as well as some of the most unusual misspellings. She (as she claimed) was banned for relentless posting of FUD that only caused flame wars. Some ppl would say just ignore them but many cannot allow misinformation to run freely.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
Hay thanks for that link . Also that was a pretty low blow . You saying I am intelia is an insult to be sure . I have been called worse I think . I read both your post the to ban and the other. I do see how SHE picked her name. The information was questionable maybe . I don't now much about cpu's. She was really never insulting but very Intel bullish.
One other thing I did notice and I haven't read all the recent post in all cat. But the people that were making accusations against her are the same people involved in most of the flame wars here. So I question that. The jewish remark I thought was bad remark. As for the Intel stuff I really haven't a clue. I did however notice that most if not all her accusers were AMD people. Any way thanks for that link both of them . You did however get me curiosity up . SO now I am off to read everthing I can On Conroe . I will tell you this also. If I find what she wrote as plasusible . I will include that in my E-Mail to Anand.

As I said I don't pay much attention to Cpu's. If it was E-penis that got her banned .I will defend her and I think I can do an adequite job of that .

As all the post I have made other than one. Were ascertians based on the available information . This forum may well of done Intelia erroneous damage to her reputation.

As I have been slandered several times in the last couple of days. I will include that in my E-mail to Ananda with the stipulation of a public apology and a emanate ban on all persons involved.
I thank you gentleman and good day to you.

The scary part of all of this, is that I think she really believes she is fooling people. I almost think she believes what she writes... Whatever the case, I am not sure if I should make fun of, or feel sorry for her... Maybe both?

You write this "Ananda" person and see if he responds... LOL

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I didn't even votein that thread yet....

Perhaps you can be trained to be a productive member of this forum....You like ATI??? So what, so does 40-50% of the ppl here. That is not the issue. The issue is you repeatedly state items as fact and then when asked to link documents that prove your claim you do not. Not because you dont give us links, but your links often contradict you and say nothing to what you are stating. Make you wonder what you think proff or evidence means. What are we supposed to think...One hand your may be just a zealot who reads what he wants, on the other hand you may just be clinically retarded.

Fact is you have now one wild claim after another and to date I dont htink you have successfully proved one....

Now you can stay and start finding proof or refrain from spreading misinformation, and even perhaps put a disclaimer on the bottom stating you have no proof but just your opinion based on gut feeling and wild speculation. Otherwsie I see you stay here rather short and coming to an end. Intelia was well bahaved in terms of name calling, and you are as well. another striking resemblance as well as some of the most unusual misspellings. She (as she claimed) was banned for relentless posting of FUD that only caused flame wars. Some ppl would say just ignore them but many cannot allow misinformation to run freely.

ROFL, I started laughing out loud at work here and got a few people wondering what was so funny... If only they knew...

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
Hay thanks for that link . Also that was a pretty low blow . You saying I am intelia is an insult to be sure . I have been called worse I think . I read both your post the to ban and the other. I do see how SHE picked her name. The information was questionable maybe . I don't now much about cpu's. She was really never insulting but very Intel bullish.
One other thing I did notice and I haven't read all the recent post in all cat. But the people that were making accusations against her are the same people involved in most of the flame wars here. So I question that. The jewish remark I thought was bad remark. As for the Intel stuff I really haven't a clue. I did however notice that most if not all her accusers were AMD people. Any way thanks for that link both of them . You did however get me curiosity up . SO now I am off to read everthing I can On Conroe . I will tell you this also. If I find what she wrote as plasusible . I will include that in my E-Mail to Anand.

As I said I don't pay much attention to Cpu's. If it was E-penis that got her banned .I will defend her and I think I can do an adequite job of that .

As all the post I have made other than one. Were ascertians based on the available information . This forum may well of done Intelia erroneous damage to her reputation.

As I have been slandered several times in the last couple of days. I will include that in my E-mail to Ananda with the stipulation of a public apology and a emanate ban on all persons involved.
I thank you gentleman and good day to you.

Good luck with the emanate bans on all gentleman.

Also, trying to defend yourself while speaking in the third person is pretty funny.

 

[KeepItRed]

I vote for R520 in Crossfire. 😀 Drooling.........

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

You are going to be banned if you keep this up. You are simply a troll and offer nothing positive to this forum.

Please stop threatening people with bans and calling them trolss just because they are expressing opinions you don't agree with. If you don't like what he has to say, then ignore his posts.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

You are going to be banned if you keep this up. You are simply a troll and offer nothing positive to this forum.

Please stop threatening people with bans and calling them trolss just because they are expressing opinions you don't agree with. If you don't like what he has to say, then ignore his posts.

I think we should adopt a new term into netspeak though:

"teh Turtle"

Anyone agree with me? He merits it?