#CrimingWhileWhite - White People Confess To Unpunished Crimes

[Joepublic2]

So what is your point? That black people have it good? In fact why don't u take a second and write a 1 line sentence of what point you think u are trying to make. Cuz I'm sure you don't even know.

It seems like you love to play the victim. You started off with, "Oh me, I was poor and all these rich white people had it soo good." Now, "Oh me, I'm white and all these black people can do all these things I can't." Lol. You are amazing..

I'm just saying it's ridiculous to hear black people bitching about whitey keeping them down when they have actually real legally codified advantages over white people like affirmative action for college admissions and hiring, quotas etc. I can't think of ANY other societies that bend over backwards so far to try to address grievances with minority populations as western white majority nations and still all you hear is crying and bitching about how evil we are. Have fun when latinos become the majority in north america cause if you thought white people didn't care about black people you're going to be in for a shock...

 

[OrByte]

IDK personally.

I was unable to find anything on point in NY law with a quick google, but this site indicates police only need "probable cause" and that can satisfied by information from witnesses. I suppose the merchants who complained might qualify as witnesses.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/when-is-an-arrest-a-legal-arrest.html

IDK that they went there with the original objective of arresting him. I suppose it's possible that they were initially there just to question him. I have seen police cuff people when they just want to question them. I've seen them tell the person that they are not under arrest at this time, but just want to question them etc. IDK what the NY laws or practices are.

But in my experience, whether to arrest or question, if the police want to handcuff you, it's gonna happen. Resisting just ensures it's going to be an arrest as opposed to just questioning. I guess I'm suggesting the possibility that this wasn't going to be an arrest until he resisted.

Fern

I have a hard time defining what that man did up to the point at which the cop jumped on his back as "resisting arrest." Being argumentative isn't resisting.

definition of resisting is open to interpretation..so....

Its so hard to tell though with the video what they were saying...I'm sure there are very smart and well versed professionals that went over every second of that video to determine if he was resisting, threatening, or whatever...to the cops...verbally.

BUT

Even after the cop jumped on his back...and after holding his hands up in the air in what can be interpreted as an an act of non-violence and submission..the man was going down because of the acts of the cops..at no point do I see resisting arrest.

I see a man struggling under the weight and actions of 4 armed cops. I see a man trying to go down without the use of his hands, as an indicator that he chose NOT to engage in any physical confrontation. If I'm going to interpret his actions as "resisting" how can I then flip the logic and interpret his hands up in the air as being anything other than submission???

I see a man going down as SAFELY as he can without the use of his hands and with 4 armed officers tugging at him in every which direction which could have resulted in injury..again because the man chose not to use his hands in any way that could be construed as confrontational, if it takes 4 men to take him down...is he really resisting ANYTHING? no..he is going down..and his actions indicate he is trying not to hurt himself in doing so...AND he is pleading for help. That much is clear in the video.

Maybe you see my point. "resisting" arrest is flimsy..at least according to what happened on the video. I see the exact opposite actually. I see the cops creating a scenario where they could justify taking a big man down. Frankly I see a predatory maneuver by at least one of those cops..to re-position to the man so they can get physical. Everything that people are accusing the VICTIM of doing..I actually see the cops being the perpetrators of and the confrontational parties involved in this scary incident. Sad, but true.

I see a man that recognizes he is outnumbered..chose a NON CONFRONTATIONAL stance...continued communication to the cops to "Leave me alone!!" and I see cops circling him all whilst this is taking place.

And lastly, I see a cop place a choke hold on the man, while the man has his hands in the air in an effort to remain non physical in the confrontation.... and I don't see him release the hold until the man is on the ground, lying motionless.

Play a little game with me, close your eyes and change the roles..the victim is now a big angry white man...and the cops are all black. Now honestly ask yourself...how do you feel about that? Play the video in your head...this time, change the races...ask yourself who is being confrontational? turn off the volume...look at the non verbal communication. I see a frustrated SCARED and ANGRY man who sees a whooole world of hurt coming his way.

imagine if there wasn't a video..we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

I should move this to the right thread..apologies forum overlords.

 

[Fern]

I have a hard time defining what that man did up to the point at which the cop jumped on his back as "resisting arrest." Being argumentative isn't resisting.
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Watch the video. When the cop tried to grab his hand/arm, presumably to cuff him, he grabbed and pushed away the cop's arms.

Any time, and I don't care if white, black, red or yellow, a person jerks their arm away, or otherwise resists being cuffed, it's ended badly. Every. F'ing. Time. I've. Seen. It.

You don't step away, you don't pull away, you don't brush their hands/arms away. I don't care who you, what color you are. They're going to call that resisting and they're going to win the argument in court.

Resisting isn't putting up a helluva fight. That's actually a different and more serious charge.

So did he resist? Yeah. Did he deserve to die? No.

Fern

 

[Orignal Earl]

Spoken like the hick piece of shit you actually are.

RACIST 4EVER!!!!!

Hey..I'm a hick/redneck and proud of it.
Most of us are ok folk

 

[Svnla]

I'm just saying it's ridiculous to hear black people bitching about whitey keeping them down when they have actually real legally codified advantages over white people like affirmative action for college admissions and hiring, quotas etc. I can't think of ANY other societies that bend over backwards so far to try to address grievances with minority populations as western white majority nations and still all you hear is crying and bitching about how evil we are. Have fun when latinos become the majority in north america cause if you thought white people didn't care about black people you're going to be in for a shock...

And guess who gave a big break to millions of those ILLEGALS recently? Obama. Talk about getting smack in the face by your own race

 

[SheHateMe]

Undercover?

Yea, that other poster thought you were white

 

[peonyu]

I'm just saying it's ridiculous to hear black people bitching about whitey keeping them down when they have actually real legally codified advantages over white people like affirmative action for college admissions and hiring, quotas etc. I can't think of ANY other societies that bend over backwards so far to try to address grievances with minority populations as western white majority nations and still all you hear is crying and bitching about how evil we are. Have fun when latinos become the majority in north america cause if you thought white people didn't care about black people you're going to be in for a shock...

The protests in Ferguson said alot by itself, they had almost the same people there day in and day out for months protesting about Michael Brown being shot for assaulting a police officer. And they were all able bodied people to! Imagine how that area would be like if those folks used that energy to instead try and find a job ?? I know the thought of it is shocking, if they did that then maybe other Michael Browns would be raised better, and tought that working is a good thing and that attacking the popo is not a wise move to ever make...But I digress. Its just easier for lazy people to collect food stamps and live on section 8 housing, and bitch and moan on the [also free] Obama-phone about the invisible boogey-man whitey who "be keepin us down!".

 

[Orignal Earl]

The protests in Ferguson said alot by itself, they had almost the same people there day in and day out for months protesting about Michael Brown being shot for assaulting a police officer. And they were all able bodied people to! Imagine how that area would be like if those folks used that energy to instead try and find a job ?? I know the thought of it is shocking, if they did that then maybe other Michael Browns would be raised better, and tought that working is a good thing and that attacking the popo is not a wise move to ever make...But I digress. Its just easier for lazy people to collect food stamps and live on section 8 housing, and bitch and moan on the [also free] Obama-phone about the invisible boogey-man whitey who "be keepin us down!".

Your the guy who is always preaching about banning Muslims aren't you?
Muslims, lazy black folk..
Are you also scared of the police and kids too?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Your the guy who is always preaching about banning Muslims aren't you?
Muslims, lazy black folk..
Are you also scared of the police and kids too?

If he lives in the US he probably *should* be afraid of the police.

 

[Orignal Earl]

If he lives in the US he probably *should* be afraid of the police.

I've seen some of the craziest things from several posters here
Just last week a couple said they would execute someone robbing them of their wallet or 200 dollar laptop, after the thief was walking away.
Posters calling for the death penalty for children, the list just goes on
I just can't imagine..

Even though I have read all these crazy things for years all on one board, I still won't believe this is a common thing among IT guys

 

[Victorian Gray]

I've seen some of the craziest things from several posters here
Just last week a couple said they would execute someone robbing them of their wallet or 200 dollar laptop, after the thief was walking away.
Posters calling for the death penalty for children, the list just goes on
I just can't imagine..

Even though I have read all these crazy things for years all on one board, I still won't believe this is a common thing among IT guys

I've seen/heard all of that in any number of other places including in person.

It's probably a rather trite comment to make, but I no longer recognize the country and it's not a place that, for the most part, I feel comfortable in any more. I now travel to the US as little as I possible can. <shrug>