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Crime stats in CO after pot legalization

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Pray To Jesus said:
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I think you're stupid.

What causes you to be stupid?


My guess is Autistic Spectrum Disorder.
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You should go back to masturbating over an open bible and leave medical diagnosis to the professionals.

As far as the OP; Facebook contains all kinds of weirdos pushing agendas.
 
Jhhnn said:
Random marijuana prohibitionist makes ridiculous claims on internet... His source? Probably a chain email or his own imagination. Standard FUD, the only reason cannabis was ever made illegal.
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OutHouse said:
who is this guy? how about somebody out him for spreading bullshit and if WASPC is posting these numbers they better back them up with facts.

how many liquor stores get robbed every night across the country?
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Stewox said:
Paid trolls are known to spread misinformation about gun violence data and other stuff, there is a huge internet information battle in this arena as well as other topics like climate change hoax.
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I understand there are individuals out there that purposely spread misinformation, but this particular person is someone I know from as far back as grade school. We've never been close friends, and I've had literally no contact with him for decades other than Facebook. I have gathered that he's a bit of a conservative loon -- particularly one to extraordinarily glorify the police and military.

Regardless, instead of substantiating his claim he appears to have deleted the post entirely from his wall and un-friended me last night, and I cried big ol' crocodile tears as I went to sleep.

To me it is just really perplexing how a person can wind up like him.
 
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PricklyPete said:
With a plethora of medical and now recreational cannabis shops less than a mile from my house, I can happily say that there has been no noticeable change in my neighborhood.
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Yep. After all the dire predictions & the initial publicity splash, it's mostly a non-event at the level of everyday life for non-participants.

One of the things often overlooked is the positive impact on community relations for law enforcement. Freed of the burden of enforcing extremely unpopular statutes, their efforts will be more welcomed & their impact more positive.
 
davmat787 said:
Also, it takes awhile for all the precincts and reporting agencies to compile stats and roll them up to the state level, and then for the state to compile the stats.
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Agreed. As of yet there are no useful statistics to support any position and in any case the handful of days changes have been in effect do not allow for useful analysis.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Agreed. As of yet there are no useful statistics to support any position and in any case the handful of days changes have been in effect do not allow for useful analysis.
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Well, yeh, but if there was some sort of massive crime wave it surely would have been noticed, with the lurid details translated into 300 languages, plastered across every front page in the world.

Instead- Nada. zero. zip. nothing. nyet.

That seems likely to continue.
 
Greenman said:
It's not wrong, you just don't agree with it. I found bigfoot I have an alien probe in my brain I have a four dollar device that makes my car get 100mpg Will you accept any of those at face value? If so, I'd like you to contact my bridge sales department.
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nopt trying to contradict the arguement

just trying to improve it

have you never heard the phrase "nothing is impossible"

many things in science were thought to be entirely impossible until they were proven right

there is a phrase called truth is stranger than fiction
 
*shrug* All I seem to hear about more and more often is people blowing themselves up by trying to make butane hash oil.

Otherwise, seems like business as usual.
 
These businesses deal mostly in cash and so armed robberies are at an all time high. These places can have like $100k in the safe so no wonder.
 
True, but most shops have guards who are armed to the teeth. The robberies won't last long. 😉

Boulder is issuing a large number of $500 citations for public smoking, so there's your crime spree. The Colorado laws state that you can only smoke in private. I've seen cops tell people to put it away, but haven't seen anyone ticketed yet.

http://www.dailycamera.com/marijuan...lic-pot-use-boulder-quadruple-since-amendment

One story that nobody is reporting (yet), is that the new laws have given illegal growers almost carte blanche. We saw this to some degree when the medical marijuana laws first went into effect. Cops are less likely to investigate and go after illegal grows now, which is making it pretty easy to get away with growing for the black market. There's also the issue with licensed growers who can sell product out the back door. Supposedly, strict accounting and bookkeeping requirements for licensed growers are supposed to keep this in check, but I know several growers and know that they're not used to paying strict attention to either the law or to details.

The free-for-all has also depressed street prices for weed, from what I hear. The weed sold at retail is taxed to an insane degree. As I understand, wholesale transactions are taxed 15%. Then retail sales are hit for a 15% excise tax and a 10% special sales tax, in addition to the normal 2.9% state tax, plus county and municipal sales taxes of another 2-5%. This makes the good, old fashioned buy from your local grower/seller quite a bargain.
 
My $.02 on this is that crime must have gone down! Legalize one of the more common crimes that is committed everyday, its not like people are finding a different crime to commit now that pot can be legally smoked there.

Also I know that there is some concern about buying weed from street level dealers to evade the taxes, I would guess that the stores will never go away, some people don't know private dealers or just want the hassle free experience of going to a store at their own convenience, and would be willing to pay extra. From what I've seen it looks like the stores charge around what the street level prices usually are, so dealers would have to lower price now in order to sell it. Obviously if you can grow it legally then the price would come down anyways.
 
Ksyder said:
From what I've seen it looks like the stores charge around what the street level prices usually are, so dealers would have to lower price now in order to sell it.
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And most have. It's so incredibly plentiful that the competition is keen.

But that points up another concern.

There's been a lot of talk about neighboring states seeing increased marijuana use because of Colorado's laws. But not too many people are going to drive into Colorado to buy massively taxed weed one ounce at a time in the pot stores, then drive back to bufu Nebraska with it. So far, reports from those states say they're not seeing much evidence of this happening.

I would think the real concern should be that street prices are becoming so depressed within Colorado that growers (who, again, have it pretty easy) will look to sell it elsewhere. But I think it's still too early to see the effects of this. Hell, the town where I live hasn't even decided yet if they'll permit retail shops. It's all still very much in its infancy.

Obviously if you can grow it legally then the price would come down anyways.
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The Colorado recreational laws allows anyone to grow it legally. You can have up to six plants, three of them in flower, growing at all times. Per person.
 
norseamd said:
what liscenses are available?
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To grow for yourself? No license is needed.

With medicinal pot, you can be a caregiver, which permits you to grow six plants per 'patient'. This has caused a lot of confusion, as people have had dozens of plants growing and claimed (sometimes rightfully, sometimes not) to be the caregiver for many people. It's something of a law enforcement nightmare, which is why they don't waste their time any more unless they genuinely know they're busting a large illegal grow.

Commercially, there are medicinal shops, retail shops, wholesale (grower) and I think maybe a distinction for producers of edibles. I don't really know all the ins and outs. I believe that you can also have a shop that sells both medicinal and retail, and that licensed medicinal shops were given automatic approval to be the first retail shops that opened.

(It's interesting that medicinal marijuana taxed only by the standard 2.9% state sales tax, so there may still be a very good reason to get your MMJ card for that debilitating insomnia or turf toe.)
 
norseamd said:
was just wondering what they allow for like medium size growers. like maybe an organic farmer wanted to grow some
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I really don't know all the laws. There's information from the state of Colorado online about licensing. I've heard that all the licensing fees for a retail shop can be formidable. I imagine it's similar for someone doing cultivation.

With the older medical marijuana laws I think dispensaries were required to grow some major percentage of what they sold - something like 70% or 80%. But there were no laws drawn up allowing just growing operations, and I don't think there ware any real laws governing dispensary to dispensary wholesale sales. So where that other 30% or whatever was supposed to come from, is anyone's guess. The newer retail laws are a lot more thought out, with few, if any, gray areas.

I'm not sure if outdoor commercial grows are allowed, but I doubt it. I know that personal grows must be kept hidden from the public and I believe there are even requirements that they be kept behind a locked door. I would guess to guard primarily against children accessing the plants.
 
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