Crime down in Detroit (because police have basically stopped arresting)

[herm0016]

grand rapids, another michigan city almost dominated by conservatives is still doing pretty well, building new skyscrapers, expanding research labs, growing in population. we were dominated by auto suppliers, GM metal forming plants, tool and die making but, in recent years, become a research hub for medical technology and have expanded our positions in other industries e.g. tourism, education, research. the initial investment came from our conservative leaders, the people who built the large businesses in the area and the people who have been investing in our community for a long time, not some government program.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: n yusef
Are you really blaming Detroit on liberalism? Just about every big city is populated and run by lefties. Detroit has specific problems unrelated to the political ideology of its leaders.

Yes it has problems that are specific to Detroit, but you can't give liberalism a pass.

No doubt the anti-business attitude that runs through-out liberalism is contributing to Detroit's continuing problems.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: n yusef
Are you really blaming Detroit on liberalism? Just about every big city is populated and run by lefties. Detroit has specific problems unrelated to the political ideology of its leaders.

Really?

 

[NoCreativity]

Originally posted by: n yusef
Are you really blaming Detroit on liberalism? Just about every big city is populated and run by lefties. Detroit has specific problems unrelated to the political ideology of its leaders.

I would mostly agree with this, except the political ideology of Detroit's "leaders" isn't left, right or middle, it's "how can I use my position of power to improve the lives of me, my family and my friends?", with no regard to the well being of the citizens or city.

techs, Detroit isn't ground zero for chinese invasion you're talking about, although I'm sure it plays a role. It was going downhill long before that took place.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: n yusef
Are you really blaming Detroit on liberalism? Just about every big city is populated and run by lefties. Detroit has specific problems unrelated to the political ideology of its leaders.

Really?

Do you really expect me to watch a video that has captioning advocating apartheid, colonialism and genocide?

Why do you think that this video is appropriate to post on this forum?

 

[SagaLore]

He can save them!

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: n yusef
Are you really blaming Detroit on liberalism? Just about every big city is populated and run by lefties. Detroit has specific problems unrelated to the political ideology of its leaders.

Really?

Do you really expect me to watch a video that has captioning advocating apartheid, colonialism and genocide?

Why do you think that this video is appropriate to post on this forum?

Save me your umbrage, please, I am not in the market for any at the moment. It's on youtube, how bad do you think it can really be?

 

[Red Dawn]

Detroit has been a shit hole for decades and for decades it's residents have been trying to burn it down on Hell Night every year

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Corn
Detroit is what happens when the population is made up of Techs and Phokus multiplied by 500,000.

Can't speak for Phokus, but in MY Detroit there would be plenty of jobs since I would never have allowed a country like China to price fix and exploit its workers to kill off American businesses. I would never allow unfair trade to let what happened in Detroit happen.
And, I would give Michigan it's fair share of tax monies it pays to Washington, instead of letting it be sent to welfare states in the US.
And I never would have allowed a time limited massive tax cut for the rich to encourage automakers to cut back on development to pay dividends.
And lastly, I would set mileage standards that would have prompted US automakers to develop cars that could compete in a high gas price market.

but thats just me.

Yes, plenty of GReeEN Jobs. And shovel ready projects.. and bailouts.. tons of bail out... Also, there will be so many jobs created* its going to be super!!!
























* OR (in a muffled and muted tone) "saved"

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: n yusef
Are you really blaming Detroit on liberalism? Just about every big city is populated and run by lefties. Detroit has specific problems unrelated to the political ideology of its leaders.

Really?

Do you really expect me to watch a video that has captioning advocating apartheid, colonialism and genocide?

Why do you think that this video is appropriate to post on this forum?

Save me your umbrage, please, I am not in the market for any at the moment. It's on youtube, how bad do you think it can really be?

I feel a lot more than "umbrage" about apartheid, colonialism and genocide, and I would hope that you would too.

Every day I read AT, I feel worse about humanity.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: n yusef
Are you really blaming Detroit on liberalism? Just about every big city is populated and run by lefties. Detroit has specific problems unrelated to the political ideology of its leaders.

Yes it has problems that are specific to Detroit, but you can't give liberalism a pass.

No doubt the anti-business attitude that runs through-out liberalism is contributing to Detroit's continuing problems.

ney york city, chicago and san fransico are all very liberal and progressive cities, yet they are all among the most important cities in the world for global business

so much for that line of thinking


I hear lubbock is thriving

 

[Budmantom]

We must raise taxes, that's the only solution.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Detroit has been a shit hole for decades and for decades it's residents have been trying to burn it down on Hell Night every year

I'd say let them burn it down but they move to a city near us!

 

[miketheidiot]

I read some article in the nyt i think about people wanting to raze significant portions of run down rust belt cities (particularly Detroit and Flint) and turn it into parkland. Might be a good idea at this point.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Detriot is what conservatives wish would happen to every major city.

Actually, Detroit is what happens when the idiot citizens drive out all conservatives. Nice works folks, congratulations on driving out the conservatives, hope you enjoy your new city.

Someone is sure full of himself today. :roll:

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: n yusef
Are you really blaming Detroit on liberalism? Just about every big city is populated and run by lefties. Detroit has specific problems unrelated to the political ideology of its leaders.

Yes it has problems that are specific to Detroit, but you can't give liberalism a pass.

No doubt the anti-business attitude that runs through-out liberalism is contributing to Detroit's continuing problems.

ney york city, chicago and san fransico are all very liberal and progressive cities, yet they are all among the most important cities in the world for global business

so much for that line of thinking


I hear lubbock is thriving

New York was a basket case until a Republican mayor took over...

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: n yusef
Are you really blaming Detroit on liberalism? Just about every big city is populated and run by lefties. Detroit has specific problems unrelated to the political ideology of its leaders.

Yes it has problems that are specific to Detroit, but you can't give liberalism a pass.

No doubt the anti-business attitude that runs through-out liberalism is contributing to Detroit's continuing problems.

ney york city, chicago and san fransico are all very liberal and progressive cities, yet they are all among the most important cities in the world for global business

so much for that line of thinking


I hear lubbock is thriving

New York was a basket case until a Republican mayor took over...

You mean Democrat Ed Koch?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
I read some article in the nyt i think about people wanting to raze significant portions of run down rust belt cities (particularly Detroit and Flint) and turn it into parkland. Might be a good idea at this point.

Hehe I asked that question last week on this board. With the price of property in Detroit I am surprised some envrionmental organization hasnt bought up entire blocks of homes, raze them and erect a park. Reclaim the property from the city. At 5000\lot they could buy huge parcels for cheap.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: techs
What has a happened in Detroit may just be a precursor to what will happen in other American cities.
When we treat workers in China the same as we do as workers in the US and allow brutal dictatorships to manipulate trade and steal our manufacturing base, the eventual impovershipment of US cities is a given.

Sounds protectionist. What's the matter Techs, you don't support globalization's effect of bringing us all down to the lowest common denominator?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: her209
Give everyone guns.

Hmm, perhaps it Detroit can be America's Guinea Pig. :laugh:

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: n yusef
Are you really blaming Detroit on liberalism? Just about every big city is populated and run by lefties. Detroit has specific problems unrelated to the political ideology of its leaders.

Really?

Do you really expect me to watch a video that has captioning advocating apartheid, colonialism and genocide?

Why do you think that this video is appropriate to post on this forum?

Save me your umbrage, please, I am not in the market for any at the moment. It's on youtube, how bad do you think it can really be?

I feel a lot more than "umbrage" about apartheid, colonialism and genocide, and I would hope that you would too.

Every day I read AT, I feel worse about humanity.

Did you even watch the vid or are you trying to win the knee-jerk of the year award? Ignore the balloons if you want; the point of the vid is to see a detroit city council meeting, a 100% perfect response to your statement about leadership not being relevant.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Did you even watch the vid or are you trying to win the knee-jerk of the year award? Ignore the balloons if you want; the point of the vid is to see a detroit city council meeting, a 100% perfect response to your statement about leadership not being relevant.

I stopped watching the video after I read the racist captions, and I won't start it up again. My point remains, that source is ridiculous, and you are making a very odd statement by posting it.

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear in my original post. I do not think that leadership is irrelevent; that would be silly. I think that Detroit's problems are not due of liberalism. If they were, then every other city would have the same problems.

Detroit may be run by inept or corrupt officials, and that is a legitimate problem. The political ideology of the inept or corrupt officials is irreverent relative to their ineptness and corruptness, and placed in the context of other cities with similarly left-wing officials.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: techs
What has a happened in Detroit may just be a precursor to what will happen in other American cities.
When we treat workers in China the same as we do as workers in the US and allow brutal dictatorships to manipulate trade and steal our manufacturing base, the eventual impovershipment of US cities is a given.

Sounds protectionist. What's the matter Techs, you don't support globalization's effect of bringing us all down to the lowest common denominator?

I welcome our new Chinese overlords. And can hardly wait to make a buck an hour making asbestos flavored lead burgers.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: glenn1
If you're a conservative, it appears that Detroit continues on its glide path to Somalia-like failed state status. For progressives of a certain ilk, I guess it's looking like a pretty choice destination - basically no republicans, racially diverse, and now they've reigned in the pigs who would just be abusing their positions of power anyway.


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Most progressives look to Western Europe for inspiration. For the most part, their cities are safer, cleaner, and less impoverished than their U.S. counterparts. Detroit, being the worst of the worst U.S. cities, hardly fits the bill.

I think Detroit would be more appealing to the "We don't need no stinkin gub'mint" conservatives - after they shoot everyone who isn't a WASP, of course.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
You'd think the 10's of billions of dollars that Obama wasted on the car companies would help.

I'm sure the executives are living it up somewhere else. That's the problem with corporate welfare, whether the Republicans are giving it to Haliburton and Lockheed or the Democrats are giving it to GM and Chrysler.