Crew saves warrior impaled by RPG

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fuzzybabybunny

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Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Uggg... only in war can absolutely screwed up situations like this exist. Glad he pulled through and kudos to the guys who had the courage to work on a "live" patient.

There was a woman who was impaled on a stake and she got operated on. That was in peace time. :confused:

During peacetime you don't see people with live RPGs impaled inside of them... how does this compare on any level to a person who accidentally falls on a metal pole or a stake?

During peacetime people get into car accidents. But not accidents caused by IEDs.
During peacetime people get impaled by things. But not by RPGs...
I mean, there's a difference. IMO the latter parts are significantly more screwed up.
 

jonmcc33

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Originally posted by: destrekor
If I was part of the team, or the surgeon, I would have done it too. No soldier should ever be left to die on the field. Do everything you can to make sure they live.

Now, in that situation, if I had the RPG in me, I'd want to live too.
In your words, you say they are a freak of nature. Sorry to hear that. I see someone who is disfigured in a way that obviously has a story behind it, and that kind of thought doesn't cross my mind.

There are situations I'd rather not live on after, such as essentially being so burnt that your body would rather fail. But a gaping hole in the body can be fixed. Not sure what they did to take care of the missing intestines, but modern medical technology probably has some kind of fix.

That depends on your definition of living. Do you know the emotional and mental trauma that amputees go through? The same burden that their family goes through?

I never said that they are a freak of nature, I'm saying that they end up looking that way. Last time I checked, disability pay isn't going to support a family. So the men coming over that cannot perform a job force hardship on their wives and family. Have you not read anything on that? The only skill someone has is a trained soldier and now they are missing limbs. Sure, they can find something they like but it's severely limited and now what? I know guys that got sent to Iraq and they were gone so long that their wives left them for another man.

I'm just saying that in my shoes, if that were to have happened to me, I would have said my goodbyes to my wife and family before I left for war. So I'd tell the medic to leave me be and just make sure I was comfortable. That's just me though.

1) One does not just learn to be a soldier in the military. Each person has a specific job, the overwhelming majority of which have direct civilian application.

2) Disability pay can support a family, depending on what level is given. In fact, military disability benefits are greater than what you would get if you received benefits from a state government. As it is now, pay in the military is actually pretty good, even as a low ranking enlisted soldier. The base VA disability pay is up to ~$2,500/month, with additional pay for loss of limbs, family support, etc (also consider that you continue to receive free medical care for the rest of your life...possibly also for your dependents).

3) Think and do some research before you post baseless accusations.

1. Yeah, I was in the USAF for over 8 years and separated as a SSgt. I think I know what it takes to be in the military.

2. You think you can support a family on ~$30K a year? On what planet?

3. See #1, you should do some research yourself. I'm still laughing that you think $30K a year can support a family. Guess how much your family gets if you die at war? $400K currently for SGLI. You're worth more to your family dead than you are alive.

Instead you'd want to come back home and have them suffer through financial burden, emotional trauma and heartache. At least if you are dead it's just a temporary thing. They don't get reminded every single day at what happened to you. All they see is a casket with a flag on it if you die.

I think you're just a bit selfish and don't understand the bigger picture.
 

jonmcc33

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: jonmcc33

You're calling my wife and daughter nothing?

I'm saying I wouldn't want to come back half the husband/father I used to be.
Your wife and daughter might not agree with you.

I wouldn't want to explain to my daughter at the young tender age she is at about the horrors that exist in the world.

To my wife? I wouldn't want her to suffer every day she has to look at me. This is the same reason I separated from the USAF after over 8 years of service. I was fortunate, with some very close calls, that I was never deployed. I didn't want to put my family through that and risk being the man sitting there with an RPG impaled in his body.

That's called being UNSELFISH.
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Uggg... only in war can absolutely screwed up situations like this exist. Glad he pulled through and kudos to the guys who had the courage to work on a "live" patient.

There was a woman who was impaled on a stake and she got operated on. That was in peace time. :confused:
Um, by "live', he meant that this guy had a LIVE RPG he was impaled with.

I don't think the lady you referred to was also in danger of the stake she was impaled with exploding.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Originally posted by: destrekor
If I was part of the team, or the surgeon, I would have done it too. No soldier should ever be left to die on the field. Do everything you can to make sure they live.

Now, in that situation, if I had the RPG in me, I'd want to live too.
In your words, you say they are a freak of nature. Sorry to hear that. I see someone who is disfigured in a way that obviously has a story behind it, and that kind of thought doesn't cross my mind.

There are situations I'd rather not live on after, such as essentially being so burnt that your body would rather fail. But a gaping hole in the body can be fixed. Not sure what they did to take care of the missing intestines, but modern medical technology probably has some kind of fix.

That depends on your definition of living. Do you know the emotional and mental trauma that amputees go through? The same burden that their family goes through?

I never said that they are a freak of nature, I'm saying that they end up looking that way. Last time I checked, disability pay isn't going to support a family. So the men coming over that cannot perform a job force hardship on their wives and family. Have you not read anything on that? The only skill someone has is a trained soldier and now they are missing limbs. Sure, they can find something they like but it's severely limited and now what? I know guys that got sent to Iraq and they were gone so long that their wives left them for another man.

I'm just saying that in my shoes, if that were to have happened to me, I would have said my goodbyes to my wife and family before I left for war. So I'd tell the medic to leave me be and just make sure I was comfortable. That's just me though.

1) One does not just learn to be a soldier in the military. Each person has a specific job, the overwhelming majority of which have direct civilian application.

2) Disability pay can support a family, depending on what level is given. In fact, military disability benefits are greater than what you would get if you received benefits from a state government. As it is now, pay in the military is actually pretty good, even as a low ranking enlisted soldier. The base VA disability pay is up to ~$2,500/month, with additional pay for loss of limbs, family support, etc (also consider that you continue to receive free medical care for the rest of your life...possibly also for your dependents).

3) Think and do some research before you post baseless accusations.

1. Yeah, I was in the USAF for over 8 years and separated as a SSgt. I think I know what it takes to be in the military.

2. You think you can support a family on ~$30K a year? On what planet?

3. See #1, you should do some research yourself. I'm still laughing that you think $30K a year can support a family. Guess how much your family gets if you die at war? $400K currently for SGLI. You're worth more to your family dead than you are alive.

Instead you'd want to come back home and have them suffer through financial burden, emotional trauma and heartache. At least if you are dead it's just a temporary thing. They don't get reminded every single day at what happened to you. All they see is a casket with a flag on it if you die.

I think you're just a bit selfish and don't understand the bigger picture.

I do understand the big picture quite well. You can support a family on let's say 25k/year + spouse income in many places in the US. Sure, you won't be living the high life, but you can't expect that. The disability benefits from the military are better than you will get anywhere else.

And FWIW, SGLI amount depends on whatever you select, it is not only 400k.

 

Gibsons

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Originally posted by: jonmcc33

2. You think you can support a family on ~$30K a year? On what planet?
A family of gerbils maybe.

Seriously though, big kudos to that medical crew. Pumpkin-sized balls of boron carbide coated titanium alloy.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: jonmcc33

2. You think you can support a family on ~$30K a year? On what planet?
A family of gerbils maybe.

Seriously though, big kudos to that medical crew. Pumpkin-sized balls of boron carbide coated titanium alloy.

It really depends on where you live. Can you live in the center of a major city? No. Can you live in somewhat more rural areas where homes can be purchased for under 100k? Absolutely.