Credentials and performance

imported_Condor

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For those of you who slam the cerdentials of the head of FEMA, food for thought

(Who do you liberals rate as having been the best?

Our most experienced and best credentialed President was Richard Nixon:

Richard M. Nixon


Reconciliation was the first goal set by President Richard M. Nixon. The Nation was painfully divided, with turbulence in the cities and war overseas. During his Presidency, Nixon succeeded in ending American fighting in Viet Nam and improving relations with the U.S.S.R. and China. But the Watergate scandal brought fresh divisions to the country and ultimately led to his resignation.

His election in 1968 had climaxed a career unusual on two counts: his early success and his comeback after being defeated for President in 1960 and for Governor of California in 1962.

Born in California in 1913, Nixon had a brilliant record at Whittier College and Duke University Law School before beginning the practice of law. In 1940, he married Patricia Ryan; they had two daughters, Patricia (Tricia) and Julie. During World War II, Nixon served as a Navy lieutenant commander in the Pacific.

On leaving the service, he was elected to Congress from his California district. In 1950, he won a Senate seat. Two years later, General Eisenhower selected Nixon, age 39, to be his running mate.

As Vice President, Nixon took on major duties in the Eisenhower Administration. Nominated for President by acclamation in 1960, he lost by a narrow margin to John F. Kennedy. In 1968, he again won his party's nomination, and went on to defeat Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey and third-party candidate George C. Wallace.

His accomplishments while in office included revenue sharing, the end of the draft, new anticrime laws, and a broad environmental program. As he had promised, he appointed Justices of conservative philosophy to the Supreme Court. One of the most dramatic events of his first term occurred in 1969, when American astronauts made the first moon landing.

Some of his most acclaimed achievements came in his quest for world stability. During visits in 1972 to Beijing and Moscow, he reduced tensions with China and the U.S.S.R. His summit meetings with Russian leader Leonid I. Brezhnev produced a treaty to limit strategic nuclear weapons. In January 1973, he announced an accord with North Viet Nam to end American involvement in Indochina. In 1974, his Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, negotiated disengagement agreements between Israel and its opponents, Egypt and Syria.

In his 1972 bid for office, Nixon defeated Democratic candidate George McGovern by one of the widest margins on record.

Within a few months, his administration was embattled over the so-called "Watergate" scandal, stemming from a break-in at the offices of the Democratic National Committee during the 1972 campaign. The break-in was traced to officials of the Committee to Re-elect the President. A number of administration officials resigned; some were later convicted of offenses connected with efforts to cover up the affair. Nixon denied any personal involvement, but the courts forced him to yield tape recordings which indicated that he had, in fact, tried to divert the investigation.

As a result of unrelated scandals in Maryland, Vice President Spiro T. Agnew resigned in 1973. Nixon nominated, and Congress approved, House Minority Leader Gerald R. Ford as Vice President.

Faced with what seemed almost certain impeachment, Nixon announced on August 8, 1974, that he would resign the next day to begin "that process of healing which is so desperately needed in America."

In his last years, Nixon gained praise as an elder statesman. By the time of his death on April 22, 1994, he had written numerous books on his experiences in public life and on foreign policy.

The least equipped for the job was:

George Washington


On April 30, 1789, George Washington, standing on the balcony of Federal Hall on Wall Street in New York, took his oath of office as the first President of the United States. "As the first of every thing, in our situation will serve to establish a Precedent," he wrote James Madison, "it is devoutly wished on my part, that these precedents may be fixed on true principles."

Born in 1732 into a Virginia planter family, he learned the morals, manners, and body of knowledge requisite for an 18th century Virginia gentleman.

He pursued two intertwined interests: military arts and western expansion. At 16 he helped survey Shenandoah lands for Thomas, Lord Fairfax. Commissioned a lieutenant colonel in 1754, he fought the first skirmishes of what grew into the French and Indian War. The next year, as an aide to Gen. Edward Braddock, he escaped injury although four bullets ripped his coat and two horses were shot from under him.

From 1759 to the outbreak of the American Revolution, Washington managed his lands around Mount Vernon and served in the Virginia House of Burgesses. Married to a widow, Martha Dandridge Custis, he devoted himself to a busy and happy life. But like his fellow planters, Washington felt himself exploited by British merchants and hampered by British regulations. As the quarrel with the mother country grew acute, he moderately but firmly voiced his resistance to the restrictions.

When the Second Continental Congress assembled in Philadelphia in May 1775, Washington, one of the Virginia delegates, was elected Commander in Chief of the Continental Army. On July 3, 1775, at Cambridge, Massachusetts, he took command of his ill-trained troops and embarked upon a war that was to last six grueling years.

He realized early that the best strategy was to harass the British. He reported to Congress, "we should on all Occasions avoid a general Action, or put anything to the Risque, unless compelled by a necessity, into which we ought never to be drawn." Ensuing battles saw him fall back slowly, then strike unexpectedly. Finally in 1781 with the aid of French allies--he forced the surrender of Cornwallis at Yorktown.

Washington longed to retire to his fields at Mount Vernon. But he soon realized that the Nation under its Articles of Confederation was not functioning well, so he became a prime mover in the steps leading to the Constitutional Convention at Philadelphia in 1787. When the new Constitution was ratified, the Electoral College unanimously elected Washington President

He did not infringe upon the policy making powers that he felt the Constitution gave Congress. But the determination of foreign policy became preponderantly a Presidential concern. When the French Revolution led to a major war between France and England, Washington refused to accept entirely the recommendations of either his Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson, who was pro-French, or his Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton, who was pro-British. Rather, he insisted upon a neutral course until the United States could grow stronger.

To his disappointment, two parties were developing by the end of his first term. Wearied of politics, feeling old, he retired at the end of his second. In his Farewell Address, he urged his countrymen to forswear excessive party spirit and geographical distinctions. In foreign affairs, he warned against long-term alliances.

Washington enjoyed less than three years of retirement at Mount Vernon, for he died of a throat infection December 14, 1799. For months the Nation mourned him.

First President
1789-1797

Born: February 22, 1732 in Westmoreland County, Virginia

Died: December 14, 1799 in Mount Vernon, Virginia

Married to Martha Dandridge Washington

 

Todd33

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So, this is how right wingers try to obfuscate failure?

You might want to link the original, unless you made this up.
 

sMiLeYz

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Mike Brown's qualifications wouldn't be an issue if he was doing his job well.
 

sMiLeYz

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Mike Brown's qualifications wouldn't be an issue if he was doing his job well.
 

CaptnKirk

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Jimmy Carter as well was 'Well Qualified', but his desire to Micro-Manage doomed his effectiveness.
Reagan was so very effective because of his oratory capabilities, and the way he connected with the listeners.

Nixon's political paranoia was his downfall.

Boy, what a turd of a job, no way that anyone can look or do good there.
Spend Millions to win a job that pays Thousands and be despised by Billions.
 

K1052

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My vote for least equipped goes to Andrew Johnson.
 
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This is a completely specious comparison, and has no relevance whatsoever to Michael Brown's credentials. I'm literally at a loss to understand why anyone would suggest that the technical credentials of George Washington, of all people, could have any bearing whatsoever on running FEMA.

Moreover, as sMiLeYz correctly observes, nobody would be calling Mike Brown's credentials into question if he were demonstrating a high level of competence at his job.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: DonVito
This is a completely specious comparison, and has no relevance whatsoever to Michael Brown's credentials. I'm literally at a loss to understand why anyone would suggest that the technical credentials of George Washington, of all people, could have any bearing whatsoever on running FEMA.

Moreover, as sMiLeYz correctly observes, nobody would be calling Mike Brown's credentials into question if he were demonstrating a high level of competence at his job.



Bush told Brown he was "doing a great job".

What more do "you liberals" need?

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Originally posted by: feralkid

Bush told Brown he was "doing a great job".

What more do "you liberals" need?

:confused:

<---------- (Climbs into full-body flame suit)

I'm not looking to turn this into an anti-Bush rant, but situations like this give me the impression that, as a man with a less-than-stellar work ethic, he condones and even encourages others with similarly low ambitions for the quality and quantity of their work. In addition to his record-breaking vacations and everyday workout time, he is known to leave the office at 6, and to order others to do the same.

It's almost as though he's uncomfortable with the idea of others working harder or better than him. In this culture of mediocrity, it's acceptable and even laudable to be a marginal performer. I think this is part of the reason he's so loyal to his staff, even when they fail (Rumsfeld claims he submitted his resignation to the President twice, and the President refused to accept it) - his standards just aren't very high.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: feralkid

Bush told Brown he was "doing a great job".

What more do "you liberals" need?

:confused:

<---------- (Climbs into full-body flame suit)

I'm not looking to turn this into an anti-Bush rant, but situations like this give me the impression that, as a man with a less-than-stellar work ethic, he condones and even encourages others with similarly low ambitions for the quality and quantity of their work. In addition to his record-breaking vacations and everyday workout time, he is known to leave the office at 6, and to order others to do the same.

It's almost as though he's uncomfortable with the idea of others working harder or better than him. In this culture of mediocrity, it's acceptable and even laudable to be a marginal performer. I think this is part of the reason he's so loyal to his staff, even when they fail (Rumsfeld claims he submitted his resignation to the President twice, and the President refused to accept it) - his standards just aren't very high.

Bill Gates has stated that he hires people that are smarter than him and tell him "no". He said that's the only key to success.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Credentials is what you use to get a job.
Competency is what you need to do the job.

When your primary credential is "connections", it's not uncommon that your competency is equally lacking.

It's almost as though he's uncomfortable with the idea of others working harder or better than him. In this culture of mediocrity, it's acceptable and even laudable to be a marginal performer. I think this is part of the reason he's so loyal to his staff, even when they fail (Rumsfeld claims he submitted his resignation to the President twice, and the President refused to accept it) - his standards just aren't very high.
The primary reason he keeps Rice around is that she probably laughs at his jokes and giggles a lot.
 
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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
The primary reason he keeps Rice around is that she probably laughs at his jokes and giggles a lot.

In all fairness, although I have no love for Dr. Rice's politics, she seems to be smart as a whip, and was, in my view, well-qualified for appointment as Secretary of State. I thought her actions last week (i.e., shopping and attending "Spamelot" during the worst of the aftermath of Katrina) were in poor taste and not well-thought-out, however, even if they were irrelevant to her duties as SecState.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
The primary reason he keeps Rice around is that she probably laughs at his jokes and giggles a lot.

In all fairness, although I have no love for Dr. Rice's politics, she seems to be smart as a whip, and was, in my view, well-qualified for appointment as Secretary of State. I thought her actions last week (i.e., shopping and attending "Spamelot" during the worst of the aftermath of Katrina) were in poor taste and not well-thought-out, however, even if they were irrelevant to her duties as SecState.

How about coordinating relief efforts from other countries and coordinating the pledged aid with the DHS and FEMA?
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
The primary reason he keeps Rice around is that she probably laughs at his jokes and giggles a lot.

In all fairness, although I have no love for Dr. Rice's politics, she seems to be smart as a whip, and was, in my view, well-qualified for appointment as Secretary of State. I thought her actions last week (i.e., shopping and attending "Spamelot" during the worst of the aftermath of Katrina) were in poor taste and not well-thought-out, however, even if they were irrelevant to her duties as SecState.

I'm not questioning her intelligence or her other qualifications . . . just making an observation. Personally, I think Colin Powell was immensely more qualified to be SecState despite being possibly less intelligent than Rice. Alas, his greatest "achievement" was selling Bush War 2003 at the UN.

Despite the fact that Rice has tempered PNAC/NeoCon dreams, I find it quite possible if not likely that Rice will not have anything to brag about when her tenure is over. But that's a case where she might be quite competent but unable to overcome the fundamentally flawed foreign policy orchestrated by other aspects of the Bush Regime.
 
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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

How about coordinating relief efforts from other countries and coordinating the pledged aid with the DHS and FEMA?

Not a bad idea - I would think (or at least hope) they're doing just that.

Actually, it seems to me we'd be well-served to take Cuba up on its offer to send 1,100 field doctors to the affected area. Cuba has some of the best-trained, most experienced physicians in the world, when it comes to disaster response, and they're used to working in austere conditions. IMO this was probably the most generous offer the US has received from another country, yet we won't accept it for political reasons. It's dumb in my view.
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: DonVito
This is a completely specious comparison, and has no relevance whatsoever to Michael Brown's credentials. I'm literally at a loss to understand why anyone would suggest that the technical credentials of George Washington, of all people, could have any bearing whatsoever on running FEMA.

Moreover, as sMiLeYz correctly observes, nobody would be calling Mike Brown's credentials into question if he were demonstrating a high level of competence at his job.


Looks like pretty good credentials to me.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

How about coordinating relief efforts from other countries and coordinating the pledged aid with the DHS and FEMA?

Not a bad idea - I would think (or at least hope) they're doing just that.

Actually, it seems to me we'd be well-served to take Cuba up on its offer to send 1,100 field doctors to the affected area. Cuba has some of the best-trained, most experienced physicians in the world, when it comes to disaster response, and they're used to working in austere conditions. IMO this was probably the most generous offer the US has received from another country, yet we won't accept it for political reasons. It's dumb in my view.

I agree. We need friends right now more than ever.
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

How about coordinating relief efforts from other countries and coordinating the pledged aid with the DHS and FEMA?

Not a bad idea - I would think (or at least hope) they're doing just that.

Actually, it seems to me we'd be well-served to take Cuba up on its offer to send 1,100 field doctors to the affected area. Cuba has some of the best-trained, most experienced physicians in the world, when it comes to disaster response, and they're used to working in austere conditions. IMO this was probably the most generous offer the US has received from another country, yet we won't accept it for political reasons. It's dumb in my view.

not too sound to crass. But, this offers another opening for the President to be a leader and statesman. The out pouring of support offers is a potential starting point for many good things IF we have a leader who is willing to use it.
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
The primary reason he keeps Rice around is that she probably laughs at his jokes and giggles a lot.

In all fairness, although I have no love for Dr. Rice's politics, she seems to be smart as a whip, and was, in my view, well-qualified for appointment as Secretary of State. I thought her actions last week (i.e., shopping and attending "Spamelot" during the worst of the aftermath of Katrina) were in poor taste and not well-thought-out, however, even if they were irrelevant to her duties as SecState.

I am insulted and bewildered by an administration and President who knowing full well a disaster of historic or near historic propotions was about to befall the citizens of the United States couldn't be bothered to stop their political jaunts or vacations and attend to their jobs.


 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Jimmy Carter as well was 'Well Qualified', but his desire to Micro-Manage doomed his effectiveness.
Reagan was so very effective because of his oratory capabilities, and the way he connected with the listeners.

Nixon's political paranoia was his downfall.

Boy, what a turd of a job, no way that anyone can look or do good there.
Spend Millions to win a job that pays Thousands and be despised by Billions.

Not to be religious but, AMEN!

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: K1052
My vote for least equipped goes to Andrew Johnson.

Washington had no books or history to learn from. Not much in the way of any sort of resource was avaliable. You may be right, but Washington made my political point better.

 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Todd33
So, this is how right wingers try to obfuscate failure?

You might want to link the original, unless you made this up.

What? You don't know how to Google? Type "Presidents" in the Google search block and you will get: http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/

Do you need instructions in how to read and comprehend also?

It is a requirement to link quoted articles, or to at least acknowledge that the words displayed are not yours. Quit being a sanctimonious dick for once.