Is anyone else worried that the next VP could be a Creationist? I mean, when research and development is making unimaginable strides around the globe, we have some people that actually want to take America backwards. This worries me because, along with stem-cell research being assaulted by Bush, it could scare the world's brightest from setting up shop in America. It reminds me when Hitler came to power and started his racist and xenophobic campaign against Jews and non-Germans. Until then, Germany was winning Nobel Prizes left and right. After Hitler's campaign started, the ones that could fled to America and we have dominated ever since. Well, if the imposition of crackpot religology continues, the best and brightest may return to Europe and Asia. We would be fucked. Believing that the world is 6000 years old would be comical if people didn't believe it. It's fucking scary.
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Creationism
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no, not really.
I was taught ID in high school alongside evolution. it wasn't indoctrination, more of a discussion about what some people believed and the science/religion both behind and in conflict with it.
it also briefly made an appearance at the college-level in BIO6...12? drawing a blank. but again, nothing in the discussion prompted the hysteria that intelligent design is sometimes viewed with.
I was taught ID in high school alongside evolution. it wasn't indoctrination, more of a discussion about what some people believed and the science/religion both behind and in conflict with it.
it also briefly made an appearance at the college-level in BIO6...12? drawing a blank. but again, nothing in the discussion prompted the hysteria that intelligent design is sometimes viewed with.
That's theproblem. ID came from a religious background. Most science is based on curiosity, not faith. Since it is based on faith, you are inclined to believe it even though it can be proven false. Science base theories, on the other hand, tell you to disregard the theory as soon as any part proves false.
XMan
Lifer
Bush, and most people of like mind, are against fetal stem cell research - IE, the usage of tissue from dead fetuses. (Fetii?) That objection extends only to government grant money. Private researchers with private money can do whatever research they like.
There is no ban on stem cell research from other sources - fat, bone marrow, etc. And, in fact, that research has been much more promising than embryonic research.
See here.
And here.
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quest55720
Golden Member
I am concerned sure but I do wish they would of taught it along side evolution when I was in school. I would of had so much fun debating the god fearing folks.
GodlessAstronomer
Lifer
This isn't about spiritual beliefs, it's about scientific beliefs. It's entirely possible to be spiritual while accepting the fact that the Earth is much older than 6,000 years and people weren't living alongside dinosaurs.
miketheidiot
Lifer
id is creationism, sorry.
RocksteadyDotNet
Diamond Member
Wat.
ID is creationism. It's just wrapped is psudo science.
Anyone who believes ID is retarded.
XMan
Lifer
I don't see why they shouldn't at least give an overview of what they stand for, in historical context. The problem is you'd eventually run out of days to teach when all of the smaller groups stood up and wanted equal time. But I think teaching the basic tenets of Catholocism and Islam, during say, learning about the Crusades, or the Inquisition, or Judaism during WW2, what the Pilgrims believed in comparison to the mainstream English churches of the day, etc. IIRC we learned about Aztec and Tolmec beliefs during a portion of history class about Central America, back in my high school days . . .
Political correctness has made people fearful to talk about too many things. Communication is the key to learning, especially in history, sociology, etc.
miketheidiot
Lifer
stupid beliefs deserve to be mocked.
for that matter, so does just about anything else.
RocksteadyDotNet
Diamond Member
That's what history class is for.
Leave the science class for science.
why not? I was taught about Hinduism in high school > > (Islam and Confucianism too)
you'll be hard pressed to convince me that the problem with schools right now is that students are being taught TOO much and their knowledge of the world around them TOO deep.
just because a subject is brought up in a class room doesn't mean it's endorsed or encouraged.
You have such an idealistic view of schools. Already, parents complain when "activist" teachers endorse and encourage their views on politics, themes in literature, etc.
What do you think would happen when teachers lecture on religious faith?, something which is very near and dear to their heart, much more so than some literary theme or historical event. The real world level of endorsement would be inappropriate, no matter what the school board rules say.
kage69
Lifer
Slightly worried I'll admit. The war on science being waged by the executive branch and it's supporters is an already depressingly counterproductive boondoggle, and I see no reason for 4 years of McSame to end it. Quite the contrary, I think people like Palin will perpetuate the dogmatic silliness we've seen already. There is no faith in McCain to reign it in either, that guy handed over his spine and coinpurse years ago.
He should have picked someone like Olympia Snowe, that at least makes some sense.
But then it really doesn't matter, and we all know why... 😉
He should have picked someone like Olympia Snowe, that at least makes some sense.
But then it really doesn't matter, and we all know why... 😉
Exactly; the same people who are proponents of creationism would have a fit if their children told them they were taught the basics about Islam in high school.
I'm being completely un-P.C. here and telling you straight out, things like that wouldn't fly in certain red states.
XMan
Lifer
It all depends on the context. Surely you can understand that. I would have no problem with my child being taught the history of Islam from a neutral perspective. I would, however, have a problem with Islam Week, complete with mock prayer to Mecca and hajib.
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Education should be taught from a neutral standpoint. One of the best teachers I ever had was as hard-core a Democrat as they came, but he laid out the facts in a neutral fashion and let us reach our own conclusions. The only time we ever found out his personal beliefs was when we nagged it out of him.
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