Creation Science?

[amnesiac]

I think anyone who doesn't share my beliefs should be shot and fed to the wolves.

 

[Tominator]

Only if the facts change

Just like much of Science, if they change they were not factual to begin with, but theory.

 

[Red Dawn]

Just like much of Science, if they change they were not factual to begin with, but theory.

[Ross Speak]And this has to do with Creation Science what?[/Ross Speak]

 

[DielsAlder]

Originally posted by: FrontlineWarrior
because it's true. duh

Some of the most irrational people I know believe in Creationism.

 

[Tominator]

Some of the most irrational people I know believe in...Fill in the blank....

Yes, but irrational Scientist get all the publicity.....

 

[Maetryx]

According to Harvey's definition of theory, Darwinistic evolutionary theory was destroyed a long time ago. Where are the transition fossils? Oh I see. Now it's punctuated equilibrium. First abiotic generation (non-life leading to life) and then punctuated equilibrium. That explains it. Phew.

 

[Tominator]

For example, the theory of evolution is supported by observable and observed phenomena. It is supported by repeatable and repeated experimentation, and it has never been disproven, even once. That is why it remains a valid theory.

Where has it evolution been supported by repeatable experimentation?

 

[BDawg]

Where has it evolution been supported by repeatable experimentation?

Are you unaware of the Galapagos finches?

That explains it. Phew.

It makes much more sense than point, zap, done.

 

[Tominator]

Are you unaware of the Galapagos finches?

Unexplained in fact...

So a Giraffe's neck is longer to feed on trees?

 

[BDawg]

So a Giraffe's neck is longer to feed on trees?

No, a giraffe's neck is longer because the giraffes with longer necks were better able to compete for resources than those with shorter necks at the time.

Unexplained in fact...

You were one of the people who really thought Boba Fett was biologically Jango Fett's son, right?

 

[Moonbeam]

Evolution is a theory that could be proved wrong in detail and remain essentially true, or it could turn out that God reveals himself, shows his omnipotence, and explains how he planted all the fossils, made them look millions of years old and additionally explains that he took the four letters of the genetic code and built each lifeform to look as though it were related to every other exactly in accordance with His bogusly created fossil record. Then the scientists could exclame, "Well no wonder we were fooled!" Short of that the theory of evolution is just the scientific way of saying the law or the fact of evolution.

People are just going to have to realize that if they want to prove there is a God they must find him in their own heart where nobody else can see him. He can perhaps be found in the rocks, again invisible to everybody else, but he can't be found there as he is claimed to exist literally in the Bible. Such an effort is a total waste of time. Evolution is what the rocks say.

The silly thing about all this is that creationists are trying to keep alive something they hold sacred, a belief system that brings great joy to the soul. But that joy is the proper property of the soul and nothing can ever take it away. The joy of the soul just is. It is independent of belief or meaning. The gift of God is a gift. One neither has to believe in God, the gift, or meaning itself, to have it. It is what we are so it can never be lost. Probably why the late God or Avatar Meher Baba said, "I am the Devinely Beloved Who loves you more than you can possibly ever love yourself. Relax and be happy!"

 

[db]

What if God decided to create by using the process of evolution? What's the problem?
Some people need to stop being so anal and just relax. Oh, and stop telling me what to believe. Get your own misfit sh!t in order first b4 you stick your nose into everyone elses' business.

edit: Why do some Christians think evolution disproves God or creation by God? It's irrelevant.

 

[Red Dawn]

According to Harvey's definition of theory, Darwinistic evolutionary theory was destroyed a long time ago. Where are the transition fossils? Oh I see. Now it's punctuated equilibrium. First abiotic generation (non-life leading to life) and then punctuated equilibrium. That explains it. Phew

Maybe you should argue your point with a Evolutionist instead of with us Atheists. I'm not sure of our origin, I'm just sure it wasn't the Creationist Poppycock.


IMO, Creation Science isn't any more sound the Greek Mythology. Sure it should be taught, but not as a science, just as one of the different cultural beliefs or even as Mythology. If Christians, Jews and Islamic Fundementalists want their children (or in the Islamic Fundementalists case, future Suicide Bombers) to learn that our oirigin is based on Creation Science (or Mythology) they should enroll them in Christian Institues and Schools, Jewish Institutes and Schools or in the Islamic Fundementalist's case, Al Qaeda and Hamas Boot Camps.

 

[BDawg]

What if God decided to create by using the process of evolution? What's the problem?

Right...John Ashcroft and Jerry Faldwell never said that, so it can't be true!

Truthfully, that's more along the lines of what I personally believe.

 

[Tominator]

Evolution is what the rocks say.

Evolution has nothing to do with rocks and btw, any language can be interpreted wrong. Where is the missing link?

No, a giraffe's neck is longer because the giraffes with longer necks were better able to compete for resources than those with shorter necks at the time.

LOL! Explain why they are not getting longer as those with longer necks get more food. Don't their offspring survive where those with shorter necks die?

By your 'Scientific Theory' white folks are destined to rule the earth. Afterall it's just survival of the most fit!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I always find theism and athiesm fascinating. One believes what one believes. But to one who is uncertain, both appear to be largely the same. Science does not exclude God and God does not exclude science. It is when ignorance by one side or the other is put forward as "fact" that conflict lies. Who knows how or why things happen as they did? I do not. Oh yes, I understand much of the nuts and bolts mechanics of evolution, but did a god nudge things along in some way? That is one of the things I ponder. I guess I will find out later. Or not.

 

[Tominator]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
I always find theism and athiesm fascinating. One believes what one believes. But to one who is uncertain, both appear to be largely the same. Science does not exclude God and God does not exclude science. It is when ignorance by one side or the other is put forward as "fact" that conflict lies. Who knows how or why things happen as they did? I do not. Oh yes, I understand much of the nuts and bolts mechanics of evolution, but did a god nudge things along in some way? That is one of the things I ponder. I guess I will find out later. Or not.

Well said, but we will all know....sooner or later....

 

[BDawg]

LOL! Explain why they are not getting longer as those with longer necks get more food. Don't their offspring survive where those with shorter necks die?

By your 'Scientific Theory' white folks are destined to rule the earth. Afterall it's just survival of the most fit!

Perhaps giraffe's necks are still getting longer. Unfortunately, this can take tens of millions of years to happen. I know people in the bible lived a long time, but I don't think they lived that long.

Why are white folks better able to compete than blacks, asians, etc? And if they are better able to compete, they don't compete unless there is a limited supply on resources.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: Tominator

Evolution is what the rocks say.

Evolution has nothing to do with rocks and btw, any language can be interpreted wrong. Where is the missing link?

No, a giraffe's neck is longer because the giraffes with longer necks were better able to compete for resources than those with shorter necks at the time.

LOL! Explain why they are not getting longer as those with longer necks get more food. Don't their offspring survive where those with shorter necks die?

By your 'Scientific Theory' white folks are destined to rule the earth. Afterall it's just survival of the most fit!

Are you saying white people are more fit then any other race?

 

[Maetryx]

David Duke is a theistic evolutionist. William Pierce is an atheist. Evolution can be tied to supremacism very readily.

this is what (repeatable) science shows
1) Nothing comes from nothing
2) Life comes from life
3) Intelligence comes from intelligence

This is what evolution/atheism says
1) something comes from nothing
2) life comes from non-life
3) intelligence comes from non-intelligence

 

[jjones]

Well said, but we will all know....sooner or later....

Actually, chances are we won't know anything at all.

 

[Tominator]

Are you saying white people are more fit then any other race?

I'm infering that Scientifically white people should dominate as since they meet all the critera for survival of the fittest. Most of the land, most of the resources, etc.

I used this to illustrate that science has just as many obvious flaws as human kind does. If there was no God then it would not be by inference but this would be fact!

It is not fact and there is a God imho and science knows didly squat! The more we know the more questions we ask. That has never changed.

Always be VERY wary of those that profess to know all the answers. They know nothing!

 

[silverpig]

<<this is what (repeatable) science shows
1) Nothing comes from nothing
2) Life comes from life
3) Intelligence comes from intelligence

This is what evolution/atheism says
1) something comes from nothing
2) life comes from non-life
3) intelligence comes from non-intelligence>>


That's a little black and white. Evolution doesn't say something comes from nothing. It does say that life may start where there is no life before, but that is hardly nothing. Intelligence coming from non-intelligence, well, that's a bit to cut and dry too. It's more like intelligence grows from less intelligent to more intelligent.

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
it could turn out that God reveals himself, shows his omnipotence, and explains how he planted all the fossils, made them look millions of years old and additionally explains that he took the four letters of the genetic code and built each lifeform to look as though it were related to every other exactly in accordance with His bogusly created fossil record. Then the scientists could exclame, "Well no wonder we were fooled!" Short of that the theory of evolution is just the scientific way of saying the law or the fact of evolution.

This is quite true.

 

[BDawg]

life comes from non-life

IIRC, amino acid chains have been formed in laboratories who's conditions mimic primordial earth theories. These are the building blocks of life.

I'm infering that Scientifically white people should dominate as since they meet all the critera for survival of the fittest. Most of the land, most of the resources, etc.

This has nothing to do with fitness. IMHO, humans have removed most of the selecting factors from themselves.