creatine and cutting (leaning up) ...

[purbeast0]

This is the first time i've been on creatine for a while (since around september w/1 month off in the middle) and i've seen great gains. in about a month i'm going to be going on a cutting cycle and i was wondering if creatine is recommended to continue to use. i know a side effect of it is bloating but just in general, is it a good idea to continue on creatine while leaning up? i'm taking celltech for my creatine (and it has other stuff mixed in).

also, i've got a huge sweet tooth and I drink a lot of diet sodas. i am also hooked on caffeine but i could get off of the diet sodas during the week at work if i really want to (i've done it before) and will get that headache for like 2 days then be fine. but i'm wondering when i lean if it will be in a much better benefit to cut those out completely while at work during the week. i know it causes bloatedness as well but i wasn't sure if it did much else.

thanks for the input as i decide how i'm going to approach this.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

What exactly do you mean by "leaning?" Do you mean cutting? I assume you do, but I'll wait until you respond to answer.

 

[MegaVovaN]

Not sure what first half of your post talks about, but diet sodas are evil. Get rid of them completely! Some say you get more sugar (in the long run) with diet sodas than with normal. Also diet ones have more caffeine than regular.
For sweets, eat natural stuff. Bananas, oranges, grapes, whatever.
To get your caffeine fix, try (black) tea and coffee.

 

[Safeway]

No diet soda. You will crave the sweets!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: MegaVovaN
Not sure what first half of your post talks about, but diet sodas are evil. Get rid of them completely! Some say you get more sugar (in the long run) with diet sodas than with normal.

How so?

 

[MegaVovaN]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: MegaVovaN
Not sure what first half of your post talks about, but diet sodas are evil. Get rid of them completely! Some say you get more sugar (in the long run) with diet sodas than with normal.

How so?

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It has to do with people, not sodas themselves. People think "Hey, I saved some calories on the drink, let me eat more of this fat-dripping pizza!"

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
What exactly do you mean by "leaning?" Do you mean cutting? I assume you do, but I'll wait until you respond to answer.

yah leaning = cutting.

leaning up / cutting up.

 

[TecHNooB]

Originally posted by: MegaVovaN

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: MegaVovaN
Not sure what first half of your post talks about, but diet sodas are evil. Get rid of them completely! Some say you get more sugar (in the long run) with diet sodas than with normal.

How so?

Text

It has to do with people, not sodas themselves. People think "Hey, I saved some calories on the drink, let me eat more of this fat-dripping pizza!"

Worst reason not to drink diet soda. If people lack willpower, then that's their fault. At least knock the artificial sweeteners.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: MegaVovaN

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: MegaVovaN
Not sure what first half of your post talks about, but diet sodas are evil. Get rid of them completely! Some say you get more sugar (in the long run) with diet sodas than with normal.

How so?

Text

It has to do with people, not sodas themselves. People think "Hey, I saved some calories on the drink, let me eat more of this fat-dripping pizza!"

that has nothing to do w/diet sodas though, it's more about the people being stupid.

 

[Koing]

My bro is pounding back the diet coke about once a day or so. He OLifts 3x a week and runs 2-3-4x a week but he is has been no carbing strictly since New Years and he is looking RIPPED. The most ripped I've seen him due not eating rice, potatoes and pasta. He is mainly eating salad with chicken. The effects of his 5min warm up, 20min @ 13kph, 5min warm down are magnified with his lack of carbs in his body.

I don't have any experience with creatine whilst cutting. But from what I know of creatine, why would you want to take it when cutting? You get bloated as you have already mentioned, but people take creatine for the added energy so they can get better work outs to increase gains in strength/ size. I've not really heard about people using it when cutting, where the aim is to lower carbs and overall calorie intake.

http://www.creatinemonohydrate.net/ : seems to have a lot of info about it. I read most of the faq stuff and it seems reasonable.

Koing

 

[TecHNooB]

Originally posted by: Koing
My bro is pounding back the diet coke about once a day or so. He OLifts 3x a week and runs 2-3-4x a week but he is has been no carbing strictly since New Years and he is looking RIPPED. The most ripped I've seen him due not eating rice, potatoes and pasta. He is mainly eating salad with chicken. The effects of his 5min warm up, 20min @ 13kph, 5min warm down are magnified with his lack of carbs in his body.

I don't have any experience with creatine whilst cutting. But from what I know of creatine, why would you want to take it when cutting? You get bloated as you have already mentioned, but people take creatine for the added energy so they can get better work outs to increase gains in strength/ size. I've not really heard about people using it when cutting, where the aim is to lower carbs and overall calorie intake.

http://www.creatinemonohydrate.net/ : seems to have a lot of info about it. I read most of the faq stuff and it seems reasonable.

Koing

Doesn't that seriously affect his (your brother's) lifts? Zero carbs all the time? And what's OLift?

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
What exactly do you mean by "leaning?" Do you mean cutting? I assume you do, but I'll wait until you respond to answer.

yah leaning = cutting.

leaning up / cutting up.

Ok then. You can absolutely continue using creatine while cutting, especially if you're going to be lifting since it helps with recovery and such. I would NOT use CellTech though. You're going to be cutting and that thing has like 70g of dextrose. Whilst cutting, that's a huge amount of calories wasted on something that will undoubtedly turn into fat. Cut that out and grab some pure creatine mono.

And honestly, I don't condone sodas at all. They're terrible for you and they're putting crap in your body that your body doesn't need or want. They bust up your teeth and may affect your bone density. On top of that, caffeine is a diuretic and since you'll be taking in creatine, you want to make sure you're taking in enough water. I would honestly say cut the soda out. Period. It's not helping you and it may hurt you in the long run. Just get out of that habit now. Stay on the creatine, quit the soda and caffeine.

 

[MegaVovaN]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB

Originally posted by: Koing
My bro is pounding back the diet coke about once a day or so. He OLifts 3x a week and runs 2-3-4x a week but he is has been no carbing strictly since New Years and he is looking RIPPED. The most ripped I've seen him due not eating rice, potatoes and pasta. He is mainly eating salad with chicken. The effects of his 5min warm up, 20min @ 13kph, 5min warm down are magnified with his lack of carbs in his body.

I don't have any experience with creatine whilst cutting. But from what I know of creatine, why would you want to take it when cutting? You get bloated as you have already mentioned, but people take creatine for the added energy so they can get better work outs to increase gains in strength/ size. I've not really heard about people using it when cutting, where the aim is to lower carbs and overall calorie intake.

http://www.creatinemonohydrate.net/ : seems to have a lot of info about it. I read most of the faq stuff and it seems reasonable.

Koing

Doesn't that seriously affect his (your brother's) lifts? Zero carbs all the time? And what's OLift?

I want to know this also ^^

Also, pics of your ripped brother?

 

[KoolDrew]

On one hand, creatine may help keep your strength up in the gym and help prevent LBM loss. On the other, at least one study has shown it to have a slight impact on fat oxidation. How much of an impact this would have on fat loss and LBM or whether or not one overshadows the other is debatable. If you're already on it, I say just stick with it.

Diet soda is fine as well. The most important thing while dieting is being able to stick to it. If having diet soda helps, then do it. At the end of the day it's calories in versus calories out that matters.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
What exactly do you mean by "leaning?" Do you mean cutting? I assume you do, but I'll wait until you respond to answer.

yah leaning = cutting.

leaning up / cutting up.

Ok then. You can absolutely continue using creatine while cutting, especially if you're going to be lifting since it helps with recovery and such. I would NOT use CellTech though. You're going to be cutting and that thing has like 70g of dextrose. Whilst cutting, that's a huge amount of calories wasted on something that will undoubtedly turn into fat. Cut that out and grab some pure creatine mono.

And honestly, I don't condone sodas at all. They're terrible for you and they're putting crap in your body that your body doesn't need or want. They bust up your teeth and may affect your bone density. On top of that, caffeine is a diuretic and since you'll be taking in creatine, you want to make sure you're taking in enough water. I would honestly say cut the soda out. Period. It's not helping you and it may hurt you in the long run. Just get out of that habit now. Stay on the creatine, quit the soda and caffeine.

thanks for the input.

about the celltech, i actually am using celltech because i've tried like 3 other types of creatine and never saw gains, and then tried this and saw absolute gains. that is the only reason i use this brand.

also i have always heard that getting dextrose is good after workout to have w/your protein, which is when i take my celltech. however is the 70g more than is necessary?

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB

Originally posted by: Koing
My bro is pounding back the diet coke about once a day or so. He OLifts 3x a week and runs 2-3-4x a week but he is has been no carbing strictly since New Years and he is looking RIPPED. The most ripped I've seen him due not eating rice, potatoes and pasta. He is mainly eating salad with chicken. The effects of his 5min warm up, 20min @ 13kph, 5min warm down are magnified with his lack of carbs in his body.

I don't have any experience with creatine whilst cutting. But from what I know of creatine, why would you want to take it when cutting? You get bloated as you have already mentioned, but people take creatine for the added energy so they can get better work outs to increase gains in strength/ size. I've not really heard about people using it when cutting, where the aim is to lower carbs and overall calorie intake.

http://www.creatinemonohydrate.net/ : seems to have a lot of info about it. I read most of the faq stuff and it seems reasonable.

Koing

Doesn't that seriously affect his (your brother's) lifts? Zero carbs all the time? And what's OLift?

It has effected his lifts, they feel heavier but he he is strong and has nearly all of his strength. Yes zero carbs all the times. He does get a few g in his sauces and the bits of fruits he eats but he doesn't have any potatoes, rice, pasta or sweets, chocolates etc. He is looking RIPPED because of it.

OLifts = Olympic lifts = Snatch, Clean and Jerk, it is an Olympic sport. He is ranked 3rd in the country and I'm ranked 3rd also in my weight class.

Koing

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: MegaVovaN

Originally posted by: TecHNooB

Originally posted by: Koing
My bro is pounding back the diet coke about once a day or so. He OLifts 3x a week and runs 2-3-4x a week but he is has been no carbing strictly since New Years and he is looking RIPPED. The most ripped I've seen him due not eating rice, potatoes and pasta. He is mainly eating salad with chicken. The effects of his 5min warm up, 20min @ 13kph, 5min warm down are magnified with his lack of carbs in his body.

I don't have any experience with creatine whilst cutting. But from what I know of creatine, why would you want to take it when cutting? You get bloated as you have already mentioned, but people take creatine for the added energy so they can get better work outs to increase gains in strength/ size. I've not really heard about people using it when cutting, where the aim is to lower carbs and overall calorie intake.

http://www.creatinemonohydrate.net/ : seems to have a lot of info about it. I read most of the faq stuff and it seems reasonable.

Koing

Doesn't that seriously affect his (your brother's) lifts? Zero carbs all the time? And what's OLift?

I want to know this also ^^

Also, pics of your ripped brother?

I don't have pics of him online. I'll see if I can get a pic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMKoyWi7vps

Thats a video of him, but he is more lean now. He has a pretty lean 8 pack and you can see the muscles on his rib cage well (inter costel muscles)

Koing

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
thanks for the input.

about the celltech, i actually am using celltech because i've tried like 3 other types of creatine and never saw gains, and then tried this and saw absolute gains. that is the only reason i use this brand.

also i have always heard that getting dextrose is good after workout to have w/your protein, which is when i take my celltech. however is the 70g more than is necessary?

Did the other brands have large amount of dextrose also? It could have been the dextrose that helped you get the gains you did?

I have never used creatine in 8yrs of training. I may get on it later if my results plateau but I am doing fine with it.

I'm low carbing, trying to stay below 50g of carb per day. It goes up a bit at the weekends as I eat some rice on Sundays every so often but I am definately leaner now then 3months ago. I don't do any CV also but if I did I would be leaner like my brother. Running hurts your lifting gains and as long as I stay under 85kg and improving it's all good for me.

Koing

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
What exactly do you mean by "leaning?" Do you mean cutting? I assume you do, but I'll wait until you respond to answer.

yah leaning = cutting.

leaning up / cutting up.

Ok then. You can absolutely continue using creatine while cutting, especially if you're going to be lifting since it helps with recovery and such. I would NOT use CellTech though. You're going to be cutting and that thing has like 70g of dextrose. Whilst cutting, that's a huge amount of calories wasted on something that will undoubtedly turn into fat. Cut that out and grab some pure creatine mono.

And honestly, I don't condone sodas at all. They're terrible for you and they're putting crap in your body that your body doesn't need or want. They bust up your teeth and may affect your bone density. On top of that, caffeine is a diuretic and since you'll be taking in creatine, you want to make sure you're taking in enough water. I would honestly say cut the soda out. Period. It's not helping you and it may hurt you in the long run. Just get out of that habit now. Stay on the creatine, quit the soda and caffeine.

thanks for the input.

about the celltech, i actually am using celltech because i've tried like 3 other types of creatine and never saw gains, and then tried this and saw absolute gains. that is the only reason i use this brand.

also i have always heard that getting dextrose is good after workout to have w/your protein, which is when i take my celltech. however is the 70g more than is necessary?

Well, it has been shown that you can take creatine with 50g of carbs and 50g of protein with the same effects as 100g of carbs. I take my creatine with my protein shake, which consists of 12 oz of milk + 2 scoops of protein. This isn't necessarily optimal since lactose is low GI, but it is more efficient than water and the cells still get the creatine. I also try to eat a banana afterwards for a slight insulin spike; but I think that your body won't use all that dextrose and it will turn into fat. If you're not willing to buy another type of creatine, I would stop it while cutting. That amount of sugar is really not conducive to losing weight. Also, why don't you just buy regular creatine mono and take it with 16 oz of grape, apple, or orange juice or something? That's essentially doing the same thing, in a healthier manner, while also saving you money. Try it.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Koing




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMKoyWi7vps

That was sick!

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Koing




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMKoyWi7vps

That was sick!

He is a beast of an athlete.

5'5, 65kg now, was 70kg, Snatch 101Kg, C&J 128Kg, Cleaned 130kg on 2 occasions, but not the Jerk, Military press 72kg @70kg bw, back squat 160kg, front squat 145kg, bench press 98kg, 18 long arm pull ups,

Koing

 

[StageLeft]

Diet soda is fine for cutting.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Diet soda is fine for cutting.

Lol, Skoorb, diet soda isn't fine in general - whether one is cutting or not.

 

[spamsk8r]

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Diet soda is fine for cutting.

Lol, Skoorb, diet soda isn't fine in general - whether one is cutting or not.

Diet soda is fine in general. You're not going to die or see any health consequences from drinking some once in a while. It's not the best, I agree, but I don't at all believe it will hurt you.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: spamsk8r

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Diet soda is fine for cutting.

Lol, Skoorb, diet soda isn't fine in general - whether one is cutting or not.

Diet soda is fine in general. You're not going to die or see any health consequences from drinking some once in a while. It's not the best, I agree, but I don't at all believe it will hurt you.

Well, I'm saying for the OP, since he directly said "I drink a lot of diet sodas. i am also hooked on caffeine..." Addiction and overuse are two unhealthy things. I'm not saying that a diet soda or a soda in general is bad once in a while, but if he's drinking many every day and there is an addiction factor in it, he should probably cut it out.