crazy water bill

[DeadByDawn]

Obviously the toilet should pay the bill, it was the one that used all the water.

 

[spidey07]

The lesson is there are things you do if you leave for a long time. Like turn off the water to a toilet that is using water, cut eletricity to a minimum, lower thermostat, make sure fridge is clean, etc.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: ric1287

and considering i go further into debt each month beacuase of bills, slapping another 80$ onto that mass isn't just a simple decision.

Sure it is. Debt + $80 FTW. (or FTL in your case).

Eat the $80, take it as a lesson learned.

but there is no lesson. thers just a crappy toilet and a ridiculous water bill

the lesson, which you are obviously never going to understand, is that it is YOUR sole responsibility to notify your landlord about any repairs needed. It is your sole responsibility and your sole risk for anything incurred prior to that time. Had you noticed the toilet running, and notified him in a reasonable fashion, your costs would have been greatly mitigated.

Just because you don't agree with what we're telling you doesn't make it wrong.

 

[SoulAssassin]

Originally posted by: ric1287
no they pay those. and considering we are in Illinois and water is dirt cheap, this toilet must have been running non-stop.

Well I would find it odd if it fixed itself after a week or two and then broke again.

You could try to make a case w the water company. Say look at the past X months where we only used $40 of water and now it's much higher, explain there was a leak, etc. They *might* be willing to give you a 1 time courtesy credit and maybe split it in half or reduce it in some way. They obviously have no obligation to give you 1 cent off and more than likely you have no other choice for a provider so you can't hold that over there head, but it might be worth spending 5-10 minutes on the phone to see what they say.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: ric1287

and considering i go further into debt each month beacuase of bills, slapping another 80$ onto that mass isn't just a simple decision.

Sure it is. Debt + $80 FTW. (or FTL in your case).

Eat the $80, take it as a lesson learned.

but there is no lesson. thers just a crappy toilet and a ridiculous water bill

the lesson, which you are obviously never going to understand, is that it is YOUR sole responsibility to notify your landlord about any repairs needed. It is your sole responsibility and your sole risk for anything incurred prior to that time. Had you noticed the toilet running, and notified him in a reasonable fashion, your costs would have been greatly mitigated.

Just because you don't agree with what we're telling you doesn't make it wrong.

but you're not understanding what i am saying. i DID notify them when i noticed. It was "repaired" and continued to run. So had i gotten it fixed before i left, it wouldn't have made any difference since it would still have been broke.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin

Originally posted by: ric1287
no they pay those. and considering we are in Illinois and water is dirt cheap, this toilet must have been running non-stop.

Well I would find it odd if it fixed itself after a week or two and then broke again.

You could try to make a case w the water company. Say look at the past X months where we only used $40 of water and now it's much higher, explain there was a leak, etc. They *might* be willing to give you a 1 time courtesy credit and maybe split it in half or reduce it in some way. They obviously have no obligation to give you 1 cent off and more than likely you have no other choice for a provider so you can't hold that over there head, but it might be worth spending 5-10 minutes on the phone to see what they say.

this is true, but considering the OP's apparent attitude, they won't cut him any slack if he acts that way with them.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: ric1287
So we got our waterbill today, and it increased from $40 to $172.

we were gone for xmas break (college) and apparently our toilet ran for pretty much the entire time. It was "fixed" last week, and the repairman clearly stated on the work order form that the damage was not our fault. So should we be paying this bill? I personally refuse to pay more than $60 of it, and intend on fighting this until its resolved.


any ideas?

That sounds like a reasonable stand, but your name is probably on the bill and it is your credit that is likely to be smeared when it isn't paid for an extended time frame.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin

Originally posted by: ric1287
no they pay those. and considering we are in Illinois and water is dirt cheap, this toilet must have been running non-stop.

Well I would find it odd if it fixed itself after a week or two and then broke again.

You could try to make a case w the water company. Say look at the past X months where we only used $40 of water and now it's much higher, explain there was a leak, etc. They *might* be willing to give you a 1 time courtesy credit and maybe split it in half or reduce it in some way. They obviously have no obligation to give you 1 cent off and more than likely you have no other choice for a provider so you can't hold that over there head, but it might be worth spending 5-10 minutes on the phone to see what they say.

yeah i guess i will give that a try after the landlord shoots me down. i thinking the water company will just laugh at me since they get paid regardless.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: ric1287

and considering i go further into debt each month beacuase of bills, slapping another 80$ onto that mass isn't just a simple decision.

Sure it is. Debt + $80 FTW. (or FTL in your case).

Eat the $80, take it as a lesson learned.

but there is no lesson. thers just a crappy toilet and a ridiculous water bill

the lesson, which you are obviously never going to understand, is that it is YOUR sole responsibility to notify your landlord about any repairs needed. It is your sole responsibility and your sole risk for anything incurred prior to that time. Had you noticed the toilet running, and notified him in a reasonable fashion, your costs would have been greatly mitigated.

Just because you don't agree with what we're telling you doesn't make it wrong.

but you're not understanding what i am saying. i DID notify them when i noticed. It was "repaired" and continued to run. So had i gotten it fixed before i left, it wouldn't have made any difference since it would still have been broke.

you are honestly telling me you never noticed your toilet running and refilling with water constantly? Every toilet I've ever heard that had a bad flapper valve or other leak would cycle the water supply on and off noticeably every few minutes to an hour or so. No way could you miss it.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: ric1287
So we got our waterbill today, and it increased from $40 to $172.

we were gone for xmas break (college) and apparently our toilet ran for pretty much the entire time. It was "fixed" last week, and the repairman clearly stated on the work order form that the damage was not our fault. So should we be paying this bill? I personally refuse to pay more than $60 of it, and intend on fighting this until its resolved.


any ideas?

That sounds like a reasonable stand, but your name is probably on the bill and it is your credit that is likely to be smeared when it isn't paid for an extended time frame.

technically its my roomates name :evil:

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin

Originally posted by: ric1287
no they pay those. and considering we are in Illinois and water is dirt cheap, this toilet must have been running non-stop.

Well I would find it odd if it fixed itself after a week or two and then broke again.

You could try to make a case w the water company. Say look at the past X months where we only used $40 of water and now it's much higher, explain there was a leak, etc. They *might* be willing to give you a 1 time courtesy credit and maybe split it in half or reduce it in some way. They obviously have no obligation to give you 1 cent off and more than likely you have no other choice for a provider so you can't hold that over there head, but it might be worth spending 5-10 minutes on the phone to see what they say.

this is true, but considering the OP's apparent attitude, they won't cut him any slack if he acts that way with them.

im "acting this way" because i came her for advice, not to hear "oh you got pwned, you lose, suck it up.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin

Originally posted by: ric1287
no they pay those. and considering we are in Illinois and water is dirt cheap, this toilet must have been running non-stop.

Well I would find it odd if it fixed itself after a week or two and then broke again.

You could try to make a case w the water company. Say look at the past X months where we only used $40 of water and now it's much higher, explain there was a leak, etc. They *might* be willing to give you a 1 time courtesy credit and maybe split it in half or reduce it in some way. They obviously have no obligation to give you 1 cent off and more than likely you have no other choice for a provider so you can't hold that over there head, but it might be worth spending 5-10 minutes on the phone to see what they say.

this is true, but considering the OP's apparent attitude, they won't cut him any slack if he acts that way with them.

im "acting this way" because i came her for advice, not to hear "oh you got pwned, you lose, suck it up.

and you've been given plenty of sound advice, but choose to keep arguing that it's still not your fault.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

you are honestly telling me you never noticed your toilet running and refilling with water constantly? Every toilet I've ever heard that had a bad flapper valve or other leak would cycle the water supply on and off noticeably every few minutes to an hour or so. No way could you miss it.

as i stated earlier, which i guess you didnt read, any toilet that i have ever heard running ( at my house for example) eventually stops. On occasion it will run for a while, then we won't hear it again for months.

So if i hear galloping of hoovess behind me, should i just assume they are zebras and not horses?
/scrubs quote.

 

[Eeezee]

That depends

If you told the landlord about it before you left, then the landlord needs to pay most of it. It's his job to make sure that the place is fixed up. A more extreme example would be if you notified him of a gas leak and then your place caught on fire a week later; he'd be liable for damages.

If you did not know about the problem before you left and the landlord did not know either, then I'm afraid you're out of luck. It's not his fault that the water was running the whole time you were gone.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin

Originally posted by: ric1287
no they pay those. and considering we are in Illinois and water is dirt cheap, this toilet must have been running non-stop.

Well I would find it odd if it fixed itself after a week or two and then broke again.

You could try to make a case w the water company. Say look at the past X months where we only used $40 of water and now it's much higher, explain there was a leak, etc. They *might* be willing to give you a 1 time courtesy credit and maybe split it in half or reduce it in some way. They obviously have no obligation to give you 1 cent off and more than likely you have no other choice for a provider so you can't hold that over there head, but it might be worth spending 5-10 minutes on the phone to see what they say.

this is true, but considering the OP's apparent attitude, they won't cut him any slack if he acts that way with them.

im "acting this way" because i came her for advice, not to hear "oh you got pwned, you lose, suck it up.

and you've been given plenty of sound advice, but choose to keep arguing that it's still not your fault.

what sound advice? other than "haha you suck, pay the bill"

 

[mobobuff]

Nobody there to jiggle the handle, eh?

It couldn't hurt to talk to your landlord and see what you can agree on.

Most apartments here in Lansing will pay the water bill for you, and only charge electricity, sometimes heat, but not usually.

 

[ric1287]

i wonder if for example the landlord paid the water bill, and this happend, would he demand money from me?

 

[ElFenix]

OP: stop acting like a little dickweed and thinking that just because it isn't your fault the toilet was running that you don't have to pay. bits in toilets wear out. it's your responsibility to notify the landlord when bits wear out so that the landlord can make necessary repairs. the only thing 'fault' has anything to do with here is whether you are liable to your landlord for the repairs themselves. if you don't notify the landlord in a timely fashion, it is your fault that the toilet was running for such a long time before any repairs were attempted. it doesn't matter why you couldn't notify them, just that you didn't.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
OP: stop acting like a little dickweed and thinking that just because it isn't your fault the toilet was running that you don't have to pay. bits in toilets wear out. it's your responsibility to notify the landlord when bits wear out so that the landlord can make necessary repairs. the only thing 'fault' has anything to do with here is whether you are liable to your landlord for the repairs themselves. if you don't notify the landlord in a timely fashion, it is your fault that the toilet was running for such a long time before any repairs were attempted. it doesn't matter why you couldn't notify them, just that you didn't.

quality argument. don't include any of what ive stated previously, and call me a dickweed. Are you on the debate team?

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: ElFenix
OP: stop acting like a little dickweed and thinking that just because it isn't your fault the toilet was running that you don't have to pay. bits in toilets wear out. it's your responsibility to notify the landlord when bits wear out so that the landlord can make necessary repairs. the only thing 'fault' has anything to do with here is whether you are liable to your landlord for the repairs themselves. if you don't notify the landlord in a timely fashion, it is your fault that the toilet was running for such a long time before any repairs were attempted. it doesn't matter why you couldn't notify them, just that you didn't.

quality argument. don't include any of what ive stated previously, and call me a dickweed. Are you on the debate team?

people that act like jerks get jerkish responses.

I'm done with your thread, you don't want an answer, you want to argue and hope someone will justify what you've decided to be true.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: ElFenix
OP: stop acting like a little dickweed and thinking that just because it isn't your fault the toilet was running that you don't have to pay. bits in toilets wear out. it's your responsibility to notify the landlord when bits wear out so that the landlord can make necessary repairs. the only thing 'fault' has anything to do with here is whether you are liable to your landlord for the repairs themselves. if you don't notify the landlord in a timely fashion, it is your fault that the toilet was running for such a long time before any repairs were attempted. it doesn't matter why you couldn't notify them, just that you didn't.

quality argument. don't include any of what ive stated previously, and call me a dickweed. Are you on the debate team?

people that act like jerks get jerkish responses.

I'm done with your thread, you don't want an answer, you want to argue and hope someone will justify what you've decided to be true.

hahahah, and what do you want? the way you view me is the exact way you are acting. You have decided i am wrong, and resorted to insulting me becuase you ran out of ways to restate your same bland argument.

i came looking for advice on a possible similar situation. I didn't need to hear 'you lose, pay the bill" 40 times.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Vic
Tenant should pay. The water bill was so high ONLY because you failed to notify the landlord of the problem in a timely manner.

/thread.

right, i should have made the 3 hour drive back to school a couple times over break to make sure my toilet wasn't running.

Actually... yeah... you should have.

Not specifically for a toilet running, but what would have happened if someone broke in? They'd have a whole month to clean you out and sell everything off before you knew. The trail would be long cold by the time you found out.

Just because you chose not to occupy the living space you are renting does not mean that it's the landlord's responsibility to housesit. Did you even notify them that you wouldn't be there during break and ask them if they wouldn't mind stopping by once a week to make sure everything is okay? Even if you did, it's still not their responsibility, but the point I'm making is that it doesn't sound like the landlord had any reasonable cause to stop the toilet from running.

You're always welcome to write a letter and request that they pay the difference between this water bill and the last, but I'd almost be willing to bet that exact amount that they'll tell you (in kinder words) to piss off.

 

[CellarDoor]

Sh!t happens, and you're going to have to suck up and pay in this case. I feel for you. It wasn't your fault. However, just because something wasn't your fault, doesn't mean you're not responsible for it.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: ric1287

hahahah, and what do you want? the way you view me is the exact way you are acting. You have decided i am wrong, and resorted to insulting me becuase you ran out of ways to restate your same bland argument.

i came looking for advice on a possible similar situation. I didn't need to hear 'you lose, pay the bill" 40 times.

because you *are* wrong. the only thing you can do here is throw yourself on the mercy of your landlord.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ric1287

hahahah, and what do you want? the way you view me is the exact way you are acting. You have decided i am wrong, and resorted to insulting me becuase you ran out of ways to restate your same bland argument.

i came looking for advice on a possible similar situation. I didn't need to hear 'you lose, pay the bill" 40 times.

because you *are* wrong. the only thing you can do here is throw yourself on the mercy of your landlord.

yeah, in the way you see it, i am wrong. the way i see it, i am not completly to blame. So again, how is your OPINION more valid than mine? Because you are an atot lifer? or because i am a "dickweed"?