Crazy-high Ryzen 3900X temperatures [solved]

[EXCellR8]

FWIW I applied TIM the same way on my 3700X and squashed it down with the same water block I used on the 1700. Temps, on average, are higher as reported by BIOS and software but I haven't seen over 65c at full load.

Considering a block polish and re-application of TIM but to be honest I'll probably just leave it alone. It is still summer after all and the humidity is returning this week.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I still have 4 AIO's, but am being more cautious now, as I have had my share of failures, (like 5)

Well you have 4 backup units....

Really thinking of AIO cooling for next build just mark on my calendar to replace it in 2025

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Corsair usually has a good rep for these sorts of things, though. Not like a certain Threadripper AiO with which you are intimately familiar.

Yeah I’m all but certain if I go AIO cooling it will be Corsair. Overall they seem to have the best warranty and few complaints about warranty *assuming you exclude Amazon Renewed products*

 

[Hitman928]

Yeah I’m all but certain if I go AIO cooling it will be Corsair. Overall they seem to have the best warranty and few complaints about warranty *assuming you exclude Amazon Renewed products*

I've used 2 Corsair AIOs for CPUs and 1 for a GPU, I was happy with them in all 3 cases although I swapped the fans for the CPU ones as the standard ones were too loud for me.

 

[EXCellR8]

I've currently a few Corsair AIO in rotation too... including the h110i on the 1500X (may be swapped to a 2700X soon) inside my Air 540. I even managed to stuff one into my NCASE M1 and it works well to cool the old 3570K. I don't remember which kit that is though...

I really like them for the simplicity and do trust the build quality. They take mere minutes to install and if you want the liquid without basically any hassle I can't not recommend them.

 

[Topweasel]

I've currently a few Corsair AIO in rotation too... including the h110i on the 1500X (may be swapped to a 2700X soon) inside my Air 540. I even managed to stuff one into my NCASE M1 and it works well to cool the old 3570K. I don't remember which kit that is though...

I really like them for the simplicity and do trust the build quality. They take mere minutes to install and if you want the liquid without basically any hassle I can't not recommend them.

Its kind of funny. Running 2 H100s and 2 H80s. The H80s are in my biggest cases and the H100 in my smallest cases (Including a M1 (love that little guy)). That first H80 is what sold me on never ever ever going air again. So many issues just disappear. Want to use it to bring cold air in? check. Want to use it to expel hot air so its never in the system? check. Want a really good cooler without having to worry about memory clearance? Check. Seriously proper AIO's liquid coolers are a lazy enthusiast god send. That really starts with corsair. They haven't really had a misstep there and their lineup is crazy good for hitting almost all configurations (would like a TR specific cooler with full size heatplate). Corsair has missed a few thing in a few places so I don't go to them for much else. But I have a hard time not looking and going first for a Corsair cooler. All four have worked like a champ for me.

 

[Muadib]

I agrees 100% Topweasel. I've used Corsair's AIO coolers in my last 2 builds. They just work!

 

[fleshconsumed]

Its kind of funny. Running 2 H100s and 2 H80s. The H80s are in my biggest cases and the H100 in my smallest cases (Including a M1 (love that little guy)). That first H80 is what sold me on never ever ever going air again. So many issues just disappear. Want to use it to bring cold air in? check. Want to use it to expel hot air so its never in the system? check. Want a really good cooler without having to worry about memory clearance? Check. Seriously proper AIO's liquid coolers are a lazy enthusiast god send. That really starts with corsair. They haven't really had a misstep there and their lineup is crazy good for hitting almost all configurations (would like a TR specific cooler with full size heatplate). Corsair has missed a few thing in a few places so I don't go to them for much else. But I have a hard time not looking and going first for a Corsair cooler. All four have worked like a champ for me.

That's funny, I'm never doing watercooling again. I watercooled my AMD R9 290's using a variety of AIO coolers (including corsair) and they worked very well to tame down those cards. However idle noise from the pump is too annoying and I've seen micro cracks appear on the hoses within two years of purchase. IMO they just aren't worth it when top of the line air coolers like Noctua or Scythe can deliver as good of a performance with a lot less noise and none of the risks associated with water. I will agree about memory clearance, but other than that big tower heatsink all the way.

 

[Stevae]

That's funny, I'm never doing watercooling again. I watercooled my AMD R9 290's using a variety of AIO coolers (including corsair) and they worked very well to tame down those cards. However idle noise from the pump is too annoying and I've seen micro cracks appear on the hoses within two years of purchase. IMO they just aren't worth it when top of the line air coolers like Noctua or Scythe can deliver as good of a performance with a lot less noise and none of the risks associated with water. I will agree about memory clearance, but other than that big tower heatsink all the way.

Been using AIO's for more than four years now, and NEVER had any leaks, excessive heat or other problems with them. I've strictly used NZXT Kraken's, X62 and X72. I never hear them, and they have been excellent in performance. The only knock is the software sucks. But it's something I can live with.

 

[A///]

The only benefit I can get from AIO is the ability to swap out RAM and work with cabling. The bigger air coolers are monster sized and a pain in the ass to work around, especially if you haven't got rail thin arms and tiny hands.

 

[DrMrLordX]

The only benefit I can get from AIO is the ability to swap out RAM and work with cabling. The bigger air coolers are monster sized and a pain in the ass to work around, especially if you haven't got rail thin arms and tiny hands.

That is generally true. I can actually swap RAM on my system now that I've stopped using an NH-D15 and gone to custom water. Not that I'd want to just now, but, you know . . . I could.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The only benefit I can get from AIO is the ability to swap out RAM and work with cabling. The bigger air coolers are monster sized and a pain in the ass to work around, especially if you haven't got rail thin arms and tiny hands.

That is generally true. I can actually swap RAM on my system now that I've stopped using an NH-D15 and gone to custom water. Not that I'd want to just now, but, you know . . . I could.

While I know the chance is remote, I get concerned with all the weight on a motherboard
I could see myself moving my PC for whatever reason then hear “CRACK” from a 2 pound plus cooler breaking my board.

 

[IEC]

While I know the chance is remote, I get concerned with all the weight on a motherboard
I could see myself moving my PC for whatever reason then hear “CRACK” from a 2 pound plus cooler breaking my board.

I used to routinely move a system with a NH-D15 between locations. I simply laid the case on its side so the pull of gravity was downward to minimize the risk you describe. Despite that, I'd think you'd have to hit a pothole that would destroy your vehicle's tires in order to actually dislodge it. Have hit plenty of smaller potholes without issue.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I simply laid the case on its side so the pull of gravity was downward to minimize the risk you describe.

That's best practice for any system with an HSF of considerable size.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I used to routinely move a system with a NH-D15 between locations. I simply laid the case on its side so the pull of gravity was downward to minimize the risk you describe. Despite that, I'd think you'd have to hit a pothole that would destroy your vehicle's tires in order to actually dislodge it. Have hit plenty of smaller potholes without issue.

I know, I'm just not very careful with things. I know I'd be the one in 100,000 guy to break it.

 

[A///]

That is generally true. I can actually swap RAM on my system now that I've stopped using an NH-D15 and gone to custom water. Not that I'd want to just now, but, you know . . . I could.

Granted how often does anyone swap out RAM these days? When I built my PC it was dirt cheap. I did upgrade once, but after that, prices exploded. There was no need after I realized it was stable.

While I know the chance is remote, I get concerned with all the weight on a motherboard
I could see myself moving my PC for whatever reason then hear “CRACK” from a 2 pound plus cooler breaking my board.

Always a concern. I've read anecdotes of motherboards bowing but I'm not sure those were accurate.

I used to routinely move a system with a NH-D15 between locations. I simply laid the case on its side so the pull of gravity was downward to minimize the risk you describe. Despite that, I'd think you'd have to hit a pothole that would destroy your vehicle's tires in order to actually dislodge it. Have hit plenty of smaller potholes without issue.

Always a good idea with computers in general.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Granted how often does anyone swap out RAM these days?

Only if it's defective, or if you're the type that likes to buy batches of the stuff, bin it, and then return the stuff you don't like. I've actually considered getting M-die or A-die to up my RAM amount. Haven't done it though. Still waiting to see A-die show up in enthusiast DIMMs.

 

[StefanR5R]

I could see myself moving my PC for whatever reason then hear “CRACK” from a 2 pound plus cooler breaking my board.

You'd have to drop the computer from a height onto a hard floor.

Four of my computers have two NH-D15S in them. (They are dual-socket LGA 2011-3 boards with square ILM.) They were moved from town to town earlier this year, computer cases upright with just some foam padding between moving box and case, no padding inside the cases. The boards and backplates carry such coolers with ease. Granted, quad-channel boards tend to be a bit thicker than dual-channel boards.

 

[A///]

Only if it's defective, or if you're the type that likes to buy batches of the stuff, bin it, and then return the stuff you don't like. I've actually considered getting M-die or A-die to up my RAM amount. Haven't done it though. Still waiting to see A-die show up in enthusiast DIMMs.

I've been unlucky with defective RAM. Both from Patriot, but back in the LGA 775 era. I had a Zalman cooler in those days. The big copper fin spiral. That was easy to work around. With my current build, I was looking at either the Noctuca NH-D14 r the Hyper 212 Evo. But a friend of mine offered to give me his Venemous X for free and it's been a good cooler. It has just enough clearance for low profile RAM but it's hard to work around. I've cut myself twice moving wiring around. I use a pretty old case that's inefficient with wiring compared to a modern case.

The only hardware problem I run into now is fans. I think my computer placement ruins fans. I've been through maybe 10 fans and two PSUs since 2012. Good, quiet fans like Noctua and BeQuiet, Corsair PSUs. They replaced the fans due to failure, but I've got them in a box now and stuck in cheap fan packs off of Amazon. No point if they'll get chewed out where I've placed the PC case.

 

[Stevae]

Only if it's defective, or if you're the type that likes to buy batches of the stuff, bin it, and then return the stuff you don't like. I've actually considered getting M-die or A-die to up my RAM amount. Haven't done it though. Still waiting to see A-die show up in enthusiast DIMMs.

Speaking of this (off topic) but I'm curious if anyone on here has tested the actual differences between Samsung Bdie and Hynex? Most of the ram tests I've followed show very little actual performance differences even between 3200mhz and 3600mhz, so I'm wondering what actual differences there are between the Bdie and Hynex?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Speaking of this (off topic) but I'm curious if anyone on here has tested the actual differences between Samsung Bdie and Hynex? Most of the ram tests I've followed show very little actual performance differences even between 3200mhz and 3600mhz, so I'm wondering what actual differences there are between the Bdie and Hynex?

B-die can reach insane clockspeeds (4000 MHz+) while Hynix e-die is . . . well personally I've not heard of it going quite so high. And timings on the b-die can be tighter. People still swear by it since it's been a performance standard since 2016/2017 or so. It's time to move on though. E-die is cheaper and almost as good, and future RAM products will hit higher densities at "good enough" speeds. Eventually Samsung a-die may unseat b-die as the performance champ, but we'll see.

Going back to the topic . . . be aware that pushing RAM speeds higher on Matisse (such as a 3900x) stresses the I/O die more, which can have some deleterious effects on your clockspeed headroom, especially if you use static OC. It can also increase temps a wee bit.

 

[Stevae]

B-die can reach insane clockspeeds (4000 MHz+) while Hynix e-die is . . . well personally I've not heard of it going quite so high. And timings on the b-die can be tighter. People still swear by it since it's been a performance standard since 2016/2017 or so. It's time to move on though. E-die is cheaper and almost as good, and future RAM products will hit higher densities at "good enough" speeds. Eventually Samsung a-die may unseat b-die as the performance champ, but we'll see.

Going back to the topic . . . be aware that pushing RAM speeds higher on Matisse (such as a 3900x) stresses the I/O die more, which can have some deleterious effects on your clockspeed headroom, especially if you use static OC. It can also increase temps a wee bit.

Thanks! All good information. I was asking because I searched like crazy to find EXACTLY what I wanted, which was GSkill TridentZ Neo 3600mhz 2x16gb chips 3600C16D-GTZN. Most of what was out there on Black Friday was GTZNC, which is the Hynex. So I finally found my C16D-GTZN, but it was on Newegg, who I have ALWAYS had problems with, and as a result had not ordered anything from in more than three years. And this was like 1am on BF morning, and the prices had not changed yet. So I put it in my shopping cart, with the expectation of getting up early and seeing if there were price changes on it. But when I got up at 7:30am, they had ripped it out of my shopping cart, and sold out of it. This was the first time I had EVER had anything removed from my shopping cart. And I could have understood it, if it was over several days or a week. But this was ONLY a few hours later. So of course I was pissed with Newegg AGAIN!!! Anyway, I searched the net the rest of the Black Friday day for it without finding it, so ended up settling for the Hynex, which was widely available. However, today I found the Samsung bdie version again, bought it quickly, and canceled my other order for the Hynex, as it was nowhere near ready to ship. All's well that ends well. But I STILL have a serious chip on my shoulder against Newegg. Cheers!

 

[DrMrLordX]

Oof. I had a 3900x get pulled out of my cart more than once a few months ago. That was irritating.

 

[VirtualLarry]

This was the first time I had EVER had anything removed from my shopping cart. And I could have understood it, if it was over several days or a week. But this was ONLY a few hours later. So of course I was pissed with Newegg AGAIN!!!

You must be new to online shopping. Welcome to the club!

 

[Stevae]

You must be new to online shopping. Welcome to the club!

Actually I've been shopping online for almost two decades. Just NEVER had anything taken out of my cart before. I mean I've never left anything in my cart for days or anything like that. But as I said, this was only a few hours... Such is life.