Crazy Goth Kids

I was a punk growing up and even I will admit that goths are losers.

 

[EmperorNero]

as much of a "loser" as each of them may be, they do not dress that way simply for the fashion statement, as poop so idiotically claims.

 

[poop]

Eh, you're right. I am an idiot. I guess that is what I deserve for benig a conformist arguing with a true individualist. Silly me. From now on, I will buy into the 'be an individual' mentality, and call anyone who doesn't like what I say a conformist. That way, I won't have to think on my own, and I can be an individual.

Now that I have asserted that you are right, here is where part of my opinion about gotsh comes from (even though it is a petty, superficial opinion)
My main experience with goth types was counting the inventory in some goth/counter culture store. Here is what they talked about:
1) I hate ravers.
2) I am sooo deep. I like poetry
3) Did you go to that party, it was cool.
4) There goes a raver, I hate ravers.
5) Do you like my clothes
6) The other day, someone stared at me and I got pissed off. How dare they stare at me. I am allowed to where what I want.
7) I hate ravers, too.

I just found it ironic that there is a chain of stores for people who want to be non-conformist.

I feel pretty much the same way about punk/ska kiddies. I have been to plenty of shows to see these people and hear their conversations. Some are really cool, but a good majority were as shallow as the Gap kiddies they were trying to rebel against.

Remember that you can TRY to be what you want, but do not trick yourself into thinking you are something you aren't.

 

[dohyun]

they hate ravers? or was it just that particular guy that hated them

 

[Deicide]

I agree with poop to an extent. I'm a senior in HS, and most of the kids here that dress like goths seem to do it for the same reasons that everyone else who buy tommy hilfigger or whatever do it for. They just want to be accepted by a group, to be a part of the gang. Most of the people who emulate the hardcore goth image (lots of face paint and the requisite clothing) are freshmen, which furthers my point. Most people in their first year of HS are desperate to be accepted by someone, anyone, and will shape themselves in order to do so.
I admit that I was kind of like that for my first year, although not to the extreme that I described earlier. Now, most of the clothes I wear consist of shirts and Khaki's. Did my interests/beliefs change? No. I still carry the same beliefs, and enjoy the same bands/movies etc. I just realized that your kidding yourself if you think you can express your beliefs through some mass produced crap and some face paint. I still have the same opinions, I'm just finding more constructive ways to express them.
Don't be so damn narrow minded about people who aren't exactly the same as you, and the people you associate yourself with. You'll just screw yourself in the end, with that sort of attitude.

 

[AaronP]

If I was Mike, I would have hit that kid so hard, his dead ancestors would feel it.

 

[EmperorNero]

poop, first of all, there were there for clothes and of course most of their conversations are about clothings. now have you ever got into a deep conversation with a goth/punk guy? I very much doubt it. and most my friends are somewhat preppy kids..and the gothic/punk kids think differently from the preps. they dress the way they feel..it's not purely just a "fashion statement." if you think about it, most debates against uniforms include arguments about individiuality.



<< I'm a senior in HS, and most of the kids here that dress like goths seem to do it for the same reasons that everyone else who buy tommy hilfigger or whatever do it for. They just want to be accepted by a group, to be a part of the gang. >>



I agree with the statement above. but why would a person choose to go the gothic way while the others go the preppy way? surely if you go the preppy way, you have a better chance of making more friends since there are so many prep. so now, poop, can you finally realize that ppl do think differently and they have their own little cliques with other ppl who think somewhat similiarly. and b/c of those similiarities, they are probably going to act alike (ie dress alike), which is contrary to your ignorant assertion about them dressing the way they do just b/c of their fashion statement.

 

[poop]

Acceptence is based on clothing, and no other qualities? I am glad I am well out of high school, because I would be screwed.

 

[Deicide]

<<Acceptence is based on clothing, and no other qualities? I am glad I am well out of high school, because I would be screwed. >>

Well, if you went to high school, then you know that that was true.
Thats kind of what my post was about. The kids who dress like that (goth)are probably doing it for superficial reasons, and not according to their own beliefs. Thats like any other kid in high school who wants to fit in, you can't really fault them for it.

 

[EmperorNero]

it's funny how you guys can claim to know the mentality of groups of people you don't even associate with often or at all. but hey, judge all you want...those punks and gothic kids are quite smart...and I'll be more happy to see them get a better job with more money, while laughing at the goddamn idiots who laughed at them in highschool.

 

[Deicide]

How do you know I wasn't in one of those groups when i was a Freshman? Thats how I felt, and I'm making an educated guess on how other kids in the same position would feel. I wouldn't say all of them are quite smart, however, a lot of them can just be dumbasses. It isn't good to generalize.