crazy georgia shootout caught on dash cam

[Mai72]

I live near Ferguson, and you better believe there plenty of punks who disrespect police and the rest of the community and do things that deserve being beat or shot. You can't even look at them without getting into an argument. Very hostile segment of the community.

And I live near in a beach resort. You can normally find the cops parked outside the bars arresting paying customers when the get in their cars on the suspicion of being drunk. Or, you can find them at WaWa at 3am drinking coffee for free.

Or, in my case stopping me because a woman cop thought I was carrying a purse. I had a plastic bag slung over my shoulder, and she thought it was a purse! lol, what if I liked to carry a purse? What would be the issue? I feared for my life!

 

[TechBoyJK]

Disrespect does not warrant a beatdown or murder. What the fuck is wrong with you? (oh shit, was that disrespectful? Are you going to murder me now?)

Either I didn't communicate properly, or my point was missed.

There's a very violent segment in the community where I live. It's not that they disrespect cops, it's that they disrespect everyone, including the police. You can't tell them anything without them getting argumentative and violent.

Take for instance, the 16yo jackass who beat up a guy on the Metrolink because he didn't like how someone responded to a question about Mike Brown.

They're violent. As in, not civil. As in, you might have to beat them down to prevent yourself from being beat down.

It's not a beach resort.

 

[NoStateofMind]

It correlates because if your point is to decry bad shoots by the police, you should use a number describing that rather than all shoots that occur, which would probably be at least an order of magnitude lower than the one in that infographic.

Well aren't you just rehashing the same argument from the boot licker just in a different angle?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Either I didn't communicate properly, or my point was missed.

There's a very violent segment in the community where I live. It's not that they disrespect cops, it's that they disrespect everyone, including the police. You can't tell them anything without them getting argumentative and violent.

Take for instance, the 16yo jackass who beat up a guy on the Metrolink because he didn't like how someone responded to a question about Mike Brown.

They're violent. As in, not civil. As in, you might have to beat them down to prevent yourself from being beat down.

It's not a beach resort.

You're right, your point was missed. Perhaps I was overly focused on the "disrespect" aspect. Disrespect sucks and nobody should do it, but too often I see cases where cops get physically violent over perceived disrespect and there seems to be a large segment of society that actually supports this. My apologies for concluding that you were part of that segment.

And sure, violence is absolutely justified in self defense.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

1,100 people killed by police: therefore police murdered 1,100 innocent people!

Nice logic, except it's completely flawed.

Ugh...terrible straw man. Where did he even use the word "innocent"? If he had used that word, then you would have just argued the shit out of him. But he didn't. So who were you arguing against?

I personally wouldn't even believe that most of these 1100 people are innocent. But I do believe that too many were unjustly murdered, even if not most. For every 1000 people cops kill, there averages out to only 1 (ONE!) conviction of a cop for any crime at all. That truly boggles the mind. As in it is fucking impossible to justify. It is nothing short of tyranny.

Cops have been known to shoot people holding video game controllers, cell phones, BB guns across their shoulders, swords sheathed in their backs, people making "furtive" movements (wtf is that anyway?), people reaching for their IDs as ordered, people standing up when ordered, people getting down when ordered, deaf people carving wood, and people putting their hands up when ordered. And yet all of these went unconvicted of any crime at all...many didn't even get criminally charged for anything. If you don't have a problem with this then you like police brutality.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Cop Hater Logic ®:

1) Find a case where a cop looks like they're doing something wrong.
2) Insinuate that this case is somehow representative to all cops.

It is simplistic thinking from a simpleton mind

^ Dumb. Both scenarios are wrong, but yours is made up.

I will correct it for you:

1) Read about or watch on YouTube myriad instances where a cop did something blatantly wrong
2) Wonder why the bad cops didn't get punished
3) Notice how all cops back that bad cop no matter what
4) Notice how any cop that doesn't back the bad cop, or even worse tries to stop the bad cop, gets threatened and intimidated, leading to a ruined career
5) Genuinely wonder where are the good cops at, saddened that the heroes don't seem to be doing the right thing
6) Ackmed doesn't like when people do #5. BAD Ackmed!

 

[Ackmed]

Don't pout because I turned your silly example around on you. You can exaggerate both ways, as you can see.

 

[TechBoyJK]

You're right, your point was missed. Perhaps I was overly focused on the "disrespect" aspect. Disrespect sucks and nobody should do it, but too often I see cases where cops get physically violent over perceived disrespect and there seems to be a large segment of society that actually supports this. My apologies for concluding that you were part of that segment.

And sure, violence is absolutely justified in self defense.

I'm actually one to acknowledge that the 'War on Drugs' has practically ruined the inner city black culture, and the 'thug' culture is a direct response to the war on drugs. No war on drugs, no need for thugs to sell illegal drugs.

I grew up just outside of East St. Louis in the rough part of Belleville (where most of Estl migrates to). As a blond haired, blue eyed white kid with a christian fundy mom, I still managed to grow up with a sense of the inner city usa narco culture. I'm very polite and courteous, but I still walk around St. Louis with a clenched fist and awareness of my surroundings because I feel I'm going to throw down with some random black thug or worse yet, a white trash meth head. I don't mean to be racist, it's just that there's clearly segments of the community where particular races have sub-cultures that have become violent. I totally fear meth heads more than 'thugs'. Most 'thugs' I know smoke weed and are actually passive. Meth heads are completely different.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_f7855983-6d56-5738-ba0b-38aad6fbc7fe.html

Just one example. I see hordes of young black men roaming downtown st. louis acting uncivil everyday. Anytime I ride the metrolink, there's always a few angry white, trashy meth heads stinking up the train.

The cops in this area have a lot of hostility to deal with. I never doubted that Mike Brown attacked Darren Wilson. Being from the area, it seemed totally predictable. There's a lot of people that behave in a way that the only 'functional' response is to meet their violence with violence. It sucks, but even the passive guy that I am has learned that sometimes you really have to be the one to strike first or else you pay heavy consequences.

 

[TechBoyJK]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_8d865a60-f691-5bf1-b668-920b203ff961.html

 

[mizzou]

Ugh...terrible straw man. Where did he even use the word "innocent"? If he had used that word, then you would have just argued the shit out of him. But he didn't. So who were you arguing against?

You don't compare "cop involved shooting deaths" with civilians who die by bee stings and ISIS. The only point you could possibly make with a comparison like that is to see how many innocent civilians have been killed over the course of one year.

The meme is the definition of a "Straw-man". It provides data compared with a talking-point with the purpose of making a point that X = excessive numbers. So, if you want to show that X is excessive, compare it to A numbers that are low or might show "outrage".

So by viewing it, you think, Oh god, how could police be killing that many more people then terrorists! Police must be exponentially more terrible!

How about including and comparing data from the following:

Police shot by civilians (injured or killed)
Civilians shot by Police (injured or killed)
Civilians shooting civilians (injured or killed)
Police shooting police (injurer or killed)
Number of shootings deemed justifiable from civilians (injured or killed)
Number of shootings deemed justifiable from police (injured or killed)

And for good measure, maybe compare those numbers to foreign nations with similar demographics as our own.


Or...you could compare your numbers to bee stings.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

You don't compare "cop involved shooting deaths" with civilians who die by bee stings and ISIS. The only point you could possibly make with a comparison like that is to see how many innocent civilians have been killed over the course of one year.

The relevant stat that I provided was that only 1 cop is convicted of ANY crime (not even murder) for every 1000 times a cop KILLS a citizen. How does that not blow your mind? 1100 deaths per year is mind boggling when you realize that only 1-2 of them will be criminally convicted. Keep in mind this is from a group of whom 40% will be involved in domestic violence (a 4x rate of non-cops). THAT is the group who correctly chooses to take a life 999/1000 times? Only a retard can believe that.

The 1100 deaths per year doesn't mean that the 1099 cops who didn't get convicted got away with a crime. It doesn't mean that 500 cops got away with a crime. It doesn't even mean that 100 cops got away with a crime. I am saying that it is statistically impossible that only 1 or 2 cops out of that group who killed somebody did it immorally/illegally/illegitimately. The problem that is being highlighted and that you are intentionally ignoring is the fact the cops lie, their fellow cops lie for them, and judges and DAs are part of the cronyism that allows cops to literally murder people and get away with it. Doesn't this seem like a problem to you? What should be done?

The meme is the definition of a "Straw-man".

*Facepalm* You obviously don't know what a straw man is.

It provides data compared with a talking-point with the purpose of making a point that X = excessive numbers. So, if you want to show that X is excessive, compare it to A numbers that are low or might show "outrage".

1100 people killed by cops each year is a LOT. Often these people are running away. Or "wielding" a non-weapon (such as a not-dangerous video game controller). Or literally deaf or retarded or blind or in a wheel chair or living in a retirement home or otherwise not a fucking threat. Yet they get shot and killed anyway. And the cops 999/1000 times gets away with it. Pardon my outrage that a scared bed-wetting pansy shoots dead someone who is holding a video game controller and gets away with it.

So by viewing it, you think, Oh god, how could police be killing that many more people then terrorists! Police must be exponentially more terrible!

Terrorists get either killed or convicted. Cops get to keep their jobs and get off scott free. Getting away with murder because of a corrupt system is exponentially worse. The founding fathers knew this. You would have greatly disliked and probably arrested them at any chance if you lived in their era.

Answers in bold:

How about including and comparing data from the following:

Police shot by civilians (injured or killed) Bout a few dozenish
Civilians shot by Police (injured or killed) Thousands upon thousands. Exact numbers unknown because police departments refuse to make the number public, despite being hired and paid by the public. But confirmed in the thousands, with 1100 actually killed.
Civilians shooting civilians (injured or killed) Off Topic
Police shooting police (injurer or killed) Off Topic
Number of shootings deemed justifiable from civilians (injured or killed) Guaranfuckingteed FAR less than a rate of 999/1000
Number of shootings deemed justifiable from police (injured or killed) About a rate of 999/1000. But who gets to deem these shootings as justifiable or not? Almost always it is by other other police who work for the same department, who know the "justified" cop, and who are that cop's friend, drinking buddy, brother in blue, etc. That's the exact problem. If you answer one question please make it this: how is that NOT a problem?

 

[Blanky]

When you drive like this in public and put others at major risk the cops should be allowed to run you over just for points.

Surprised these guys suffered such huge G and were still running immediately after, though.

Anyway, why this thread has to go off course. No need for that. We all know cops over-kill in the US and a large number of them are thugs, and a majority of the remainder are going to look the other way for dubious behavior (in their own words, they responded to a poll and asserted as much).

 

[mizzou]

1100 people killed by cops each year is a LOT.
Answers in bold:

That is the only thing I really agree with you on. It IS a lot, and it's crazy how high that is. In my own opinion, it is comparable with the outrageous murder rate in the USA overall.

This is a big country, and we like to kill each other for some reason. To me, that is the core issue. It's not "cops getting away with murder", it's the whole murder mentality of everyone in this country.

 

[JSt0rm]

That is the only thing I really agree with you on. It IS a lot, and it's crazy how high that is. In my own opinion, it is comparable with the outrageous murder rate in the USA overall.

This is a big country, and we like to kill each other for some reason. To me, that is the core issue. It's not "cops getting away with murder", it's the whole murder mentality of everyone in this country.

What we need in this country are smarter cops

 

[Pipeline 1010]

That is the only thing I really agree with you on. It IS a lot, and it's crazy how high that is. In my own opinion, it is comparable with the outrageous murder rate in the USA overall.

This is a big country, and we like to kill each other for some reason. To me, that is the core issue. It's not "cops getting away with murder", it's the whole murder mentality of everyone in this country.

No, you are missing the point. It is impossible to accept that 1099 cop killings out of every 1100 are found by a corrupt and stacked system to be lawful/moral/legit. That is staggeringly improbable, especially from a group that is known to have a domestic violence rate of 4x the general population. THAT is the group you trust to correctly and lawfully take lives at a rate of 1099/1100? No group on EARTH can be trusted to get it right this much. So why does this specific group get away with it so often? How can you not see this as a problem that NEEDS fixing?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

That is the only thing I really agree with you on.

I re-read the post you responded to. It was full of facts. How do you only agree with one fact?